Can the juubbi sized katon be used without senju dna?

[Draphsin]

So it has come to my attention that many people here like to use edo madara's katon jutsu for his 3-T & EMS feats, well this is speculation & I'm going to explain how its more likely that madara's katon was enhanced through the use of senju dna.

First of all;

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. We all know that katon can burn wood, its no secret.

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scan shows hashi's mokuton burning in the background (rock can't burn), so katon would be effective to use against hashirama. Now with that being said, why hasnt madara used such an effective attack against hashi during their VOTE fight? The only jutsu that could possibly tank such a high amount of fire is shinsuusenju, anything else would get engulfed immediately.

Second of all;

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. Now we also know that obito was nothing special growing up, his katon was

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at best. So why is he now able to produce katon on a level like we've never seen before? simple explanation, senju dna. Senju dna increases the

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of a ninja, thus allowing them to perform larger jutsus (prime example is shinsuusenju, one of the largest damn jutsus in the manga, lol). If this is true, then obito's katon which was once average can now be expanded to reach immense levels.

So bringing it together; Since its logical to assume that obito's katon was a result of his senju dna enhancement, then why is it logical to assume that madara doesnt need it, despite having nearly the exact same size katon? It makes no sense. It is highly unlikely that the katon madara produced was simply a product of his own chakra, it makes more sense to assume that madara's katon size was a result of hashirama's DNA, & thus he cannot use it while alive.

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What do you think?

 

[Stark]

I think they are both so proficient in Fire Style they are able to perform such a huge Fire Style technique, Senju DNA probably has nothing to do with it. Madara taught Obito everything he knew so I wasn't surprised when Obito used that fire style equal in size to Madara's, Obitos was enhanced with Kamui as well. They both have Rinnengan so that's probably why it's so huge, Rinnengan allows mastery of all 5 elements.

 

[Gerkak]

I agree with you 100%.

 

[Smd]

nope lost it when you started to give senju dna credit for madara's katon.

obito is understandable, but even then no it isnt

 

[-ahhimane-]

who knows?
This can be a possibility that those fire style attacks were supported heavily by the wind blown due to Juubi slamming its hand on the ground.

 

[kunde]

Possible considering such massive katon wasn't shown until madara and obito did it. Senju DNA = Infinite balls Lol

 

[2justin9]

well its possible but i have to disagree obito wasnt trained by minato he was trained by uchiha madara the strongest uchiha know it all i think that is their on katon

 

[UchihaNagashi]

People seem to misunderstand few points.

Even Naruto can do such with excellent Chãkra control as Sakura. He just wastes it just like Kurama said.

And yes, you need Hashirama DNA to even reach Bijû sized one.

 

[Aya San]

The thing is senju dna has never been shown to increase a jutsu's power

Madara is legendary it's no surprise Obito trained under guidance of the legend

 

[Kαmi]

The thing thing senju dna has never been shown to increase a jutsu's power

Madara is legendary it's no surprise Obito trained under guidance of the legend

@ bold: Really? Then how come Senju DNA extends the time Izanagi can be used?

OT: Yes, I would assume that Senju DNA is the reason they can use it to the extent that they do. I think both jutsus would still be extremely powerful even without Senju DNA though mainly because they are Uchihas who specialize in the Katon element.

 

[Draphsin]

I think they are both so proficient in Fire Style they are able to perform such a huge Fire Style technique, Senju DNA probably has nothing to do with it. Madara taught Obito everything he knew so I wasn't surprised when Obito used that fire style equal in size to Madara's, Obitos was enhanced with Kamui as well. They both have Rinnengan so that's probably why it's so huge, Rinnengan allows mastery of all 5 elements.

Rinnegan allows mastery over the elements but does it increase the size of jutsus? I don't think that would be the case but its possible.

Same case for madara teaching obito, idk how you can teach yourself to produce a larger fire jutsu without the adequate chakra.

I agree with you 100%.

Thanks

nope lost it when you started to give senju dna credit for madara's katon.

obito is understandable, but even then no it isnt

Why? Has madara been shown to produce such massive scale katon jutsus without senju dna before? If he could produce such an attack then as I said it would've been effective to use against hashi in the multiple instances that they fought.

who knows?
This can be a possibility that those fire style attacks were supported heavily by the wind blown due to Juubi slamming its hand on the ground.

Interesting thought but I doubt the shockwave from the juubi increased the katon to reach its level in size.

Possible considering such massive katon wasn't shown until madara and obito did it. Senju DNA = Infinite balls Lol

Lol my thoughts exactly.

well its possible but i have to disagree obito wasnt trained by minato he was trained by uchiha madara the strongest uchiha know it all i think that is their on katon

I think that teaching someone a jutsu wouldnt increase its size to such a scale. Maybe if you get better chakra control you're then able to produce larger jutsus, but juubi level? You must first have the necessary chakra in order to be able to control it like that.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Interesting thought but I doubt the shockwave from the juubi increased the katon to reach its level in size.

You can see the scans again, the size got multiplied beyond the shockwave. Though Senju DNA has nothing to do with the Uchiha signature jutsu.

 

[Aya San]

@ bold: Really? Then how come Senju DNA extends the time Izanagi can be used?

OT: Yes, I would assume that Senju DNA is the reason they can use it to the extent that they do. I think both jutsus would still be extremely powerful even without Senju DNA though mainly because they are Uchihas who specialize in the Katon element.

Making stronger =/= increase in efficiency. It didn't make Izanagi stronger it made it longer, more efficient, there's a difference Lol

 

[damon hunt]

no way come on not every uchiha tech needs senju dna for crying out loud anytime we see an uchiha being abit strong oh wait wait no no gotta be senju dna give it a rest man

 

[NarutoIndra]

I believe without his senju DNA he wouldn't be capable of creating such a large Katon. Although probably still greater than any other Katon we have seen living people create.

 

[Draphsin]

You can see the scans again, the size got multiplied beyond the shockwave. Though Senju DNA has nothing to do with the Uchiha signature jutsu.

If the shockwave did what you're suggesting then the katon would expand in a vertical & circular line across the page. The fact that the jutsus maintained their shape for the most part means that they were relatively unaltered. A shockwave would blow the katon in an outward direction sort of like a " ))) " shape

no way come on not every uchiha tech needs senju dna for crying out loud anytime we see an uchiha being abit strong oh wait wait no no gotta be senju dna give it a rest man

Uhhh dunno if you noticed but I'm an uchiha fan, Im just being unbiased. Lol

I believe without his senju DNA he wouldn't be capable of creating such a large Katon. Although probably still greater than any other Katon we have seen living people create.

Yes I agree

 

[Derek1st]

listen, you don't know how big that fire is. I have a size comparison chart on a thread, but seriously. Obito's was so big because he whipped it up with his vortex. Madaras was enhanced by both his senju dna AND him being an edo

 

[Henrik]

Senju boost up your chakra, you can say. Uchiha + Senju = Rikudou sennin.

 

[Derek1st]

GUYS! is it possible that it APPEARS so big because its from an areal view? Perhaps the fire is rising towards the "camera" and it expands as it rises

 

[-ahhimane-]

If the shockwave did what you're suggesting then the katon would expand in a vertical & circular line across the page. The fact that the jutsus maintained their shape for the most part means that they were relatively unaltered. A shockwave would blow the katon in an outward direction sort of like a " ))) " shape

Well ummm.... what I can say is
the effect of the slam is clearly shown that it is inclined towards shinobi alliance standing in front more than sideways.

Also, the Katon jutsu is only using the wind which is mixing into it.
Both direction of wind from shockwave as well as the Katon jutsu are independent of each other because the one pushing the Katon jutsu forward are Madara and Obito.

But it is a good strategy if I say that Madara and Obito took advantage of the wind blown from shockwave to strengthen and increase the area of their Katon Jutsus.