Can someone explain why Sasuke didn't use Susanoo

[Rikudou Tobi]

Other than the obvious answer which is plot.
We don't know if Madara's limbo clones used a sealing technique, cos I don't see them just carrying sasuke and holding him in mid-air. Iirc the data book says Limbo clones can use all the techniques of the original, so it could be some deva technique.
The flip side is also why didn't Madara just stab/impale sasuke with his Limbo clones

That's an excellent point you brought up there and Limbo can't hold Sasuke like that now that I think about it.
Using an invisible clone to stab him would be a lot better too.
What do you think he used?

 

[Ambivalence]

Madara absorbed people's chakra with fake edo eyes, blind no eyes and with both real eyes. So Madara had no issue absorbing, especially when Tobi who had one eye was able to absorb JJ Madara's chakra too.

Madara never used Preta after he was revived. He was able to use it while an Edo because, while fake, he still had a set of Rinnegan. What Obito did wasn't Preta either, since he, like Madara, can absorb chakra without the need of eyes. Absorbing some bits of chakra =/= absorbing giant constructs of chakra, much less fast enough for Sasuke to not get away from there.

 

[Illuminater]

How would he?

He could absorb him (no mangafacts says he can't), destroy it with his own susanoo, use wood dragon, use limbo which would obliterate sasuke,

 

[Illuminater]

Madara never used Preta after he was revived. He was able to use it while an Edo because, while fake, he still had a set of Rinnegan. What Obito did wasn't Preta either, since he, like Madara, can absorb chakra without the need of eyes. Absorbing some bits of chakra =/= absorbing giant constructs of chakra, much less fast enough for Sasuke to not get away from there.

He still has preta no matter what you say.

How would he?

He could absorb him (no mangafacts says he can't), destroy it with his own susanoo, use wood dragon, use limbo which would obliterate sasuke, absorb it with preta

 

[Ambivalence]

He still has preta no matter what you say.

So? How does that change the fact that Preta can't absorb PS before Sasuke gets out of there?

 

[Magnolius]

Limbo.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Madara never used Preta after he was revived. He was able to use it while an Edo because, while fake, he still had a set of Rinnegan. What Obito did wasn't Preta either, since he, like Madara, can absorb chakra without the need of eyes. Absorbing some bits of chakra =/= absorbing giant constructs of chakra, much less fast enough for Sasuke to not get away from there.

So you're telling me that Tobi can absorb without the rinnegan?
And if that's the case, then what is Sasuke doing here? Because it looks exactly the same as Madara.

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If Tobi and Madara weren't using the rinnegan, then what were they using?

He could absorb him (no mangafacts says he can't), destroy it with his own susanoo, use wood dragon, use limbo which would obliterate sasuke, absorb it with preta

He can't use all those techniques at the same time

 

[Ambivalence]

So you're telling me that Tobi can absorb without the rinnegan?
And if that's the case, then what is Sasuke doing here? Because it looks exactly the same as Madara.

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If Tobi and Madara weren't using the rinnegan, then what were they using?

Yes, Obito can absorb chakra without using the Rinnegan, which he barely did anyway. Him and Madara both can, it's an innate ability. I'm pretty sure there was a guy in Part 1 that could do the same. Sasuke obviously used Preta since he could never absorb chakra without eyes, plus his 6T Rinnegan is the same or greater than dual Rinnegan. Don't even know what that scan with Madara is supposed to prove, since Madara was blind at that time, and he still absorbed Hashirama's chakra, not to mention

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scan, which also proves he can absorb without any eyes.

 

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Still would not have saved him.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes, Obito can absorb chakra without using the Rinnegan, which he barely did anyway. Him and Madara both can, it's an innate ability. I'm pretty sure there was a guy in Part 1 that could do the same. Sasuke obviously used Preta since he could never absorb chakra without eyes, plus his 6T Rinnegan is the same or greater than dual Rinnegan. Don't even know what that scan with Madara is supposed to prove, since Madara was blind at that time, and he still absorbed Hashirama's chakra, not to mention

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scan, which also proves he can absorb without any eyes.

Well for one, Obito has never been shown to absorb without the rinnegan and neither did EMS Madara during his battle. It's not an innate ability because we do know that this part 1 character who did absorb was given power by Orochimaru. It was never his capability to begin with and they touched upon this in the serious, even the sound four gained their powers from Orochimaru. Orochimaru has this power to absorb, it's the power of the white snake after all.

As for the two Uchihas, they never had this power to begin with. Uchihas are not known to have the power of absorption either.
Looking back at the manga, even edo madara had to change into the fake rinnegan to absorb. Tobi never once shown any absorption either until he gained the rinnegan. So I need an explanation of those two absorbing is different from the rinnegan's ability to absorb. When Madara was revived blind he still retained that Hagoromoo chakra in his body, so he was still able to use his former jutsus like firestyle, Susanoo, and absorption even without his eyes.

The 6Tomoe being equal to a dual rinnegan thing is unheard of as far as the manga goes. I don't know where people got that theory from either but that's not my concern because Tobi with one rinnegan eye absorbed chakra yet never shown to do it before he got the rinnegan.

 

[Ambivalence]

Well for one, Obito has never been shown to absorb without the rinnegan and neither did EMS Madara during his battle.

Obito first demonstrated it when he absorbed the chakra from Shukaku and Gyuuki. That's like me saying he never even demonstrated Preta, plus no emphasis on his eye was made, nor did he give any hints that he used Preta. Don't know why you're mentioning EMS Madara, since all we saw from him was fighting with giant avatars and Kurama, where that ability would've been useless, and later his fight with Hashirama which was entirely skipped.

It's not an innate ability because we do know that this part 1 character who did absorb was given power by Orochimaru. It was never his capability to begin with and they touched upon this in the serious, even the sound four gained their powers from Orochimaru.

This is fanfic. Orochimaru never said he gave him that ability.

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Then there's these the facts that: A. Yoroi isn't apart of the Sound Four; B. Sound Four only got their Cursed Seals from Orochimaru, not their own abilities.

As for the two Uchihas, they never had this power to begin with. Uchihas are not known to have the power of absorption either.

I never said they did. Only Obito and Madara have demonstrated the ability to absorb chakra without using the Rinnegan, so naturally they're the only Uchiha that count.

Tobi never once shown any absorption either until he gained the rinnegan.

Which doesn't matter because he showed it when he confronted Madara. This..:

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...isn't Preta. Obito entered Madara's subconscious or whatever you call that and took the chakra with his own ability. Also, since when could Obito utilize the Rinnegan while Black Zetsu was latched onto that side?

When Madara was revived blind he still retained that Hagoromoo chakra in his body, so he was still able to use his former jutsus like firestyle, Susanoo, and absorption even without his eyes.

Okay. That's exactly what I'm saying.

The 6Tomoe being equal to a dual rinnegan thing is unheard of as far as the manga goes. I don't know where people got that theory from either but that's not my concern because Tobi with one rinnegan eye absorbed chakra yet never shown to do it before he got the rinnegan.

Sasuke's 6T is like dual Rinnegans in terms of power because he got it directly from Hagoromo. Obviously if he awakened it in only one eye, and it has a different design than the standard Rinnegan, almost like the Rinne-Sharingan, then it's at least equal to dual Rinnegans, otherwise Sasuke would've just gotten two.

And Obito didn't absorb the chakra because or with the help with the Rinnegan. If that Rinnegan wasn't there, Obito would have still managed to take Shukaku and Gyuuki's chakra. Also, Black Zetsu wouldn't have allowed Obito to use the Rinnegan - he already completely controlled him before when he made him revive Madara, and Obito only managed to resume control just before Madara took the Rinnegan, but nothing suggests he could use the Rinnegan when he wished, not to mention absolutely no emphasis on the Rinnegan was put to at least hint he used Preta.

 

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kishi drugs

 

[V h o]

Madara was so outrageously fast and strong that sasuke knew he had fuqd when he leaped off his hawk.

 

[Dantee]

He still has preta no matter what you say.



He could absorb him (no mangafacts says he can't), destroy it with his own susanoo, use wood dragon, use limbo which would obliterate sasuke, absorb it with preta

Realistically Sasuke would have gave Madara a med dif fight if he wasn't nerfed.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Obito first demonstrated it when he absorbed the chakra from Shukaku and Gyuuki. That's like me saying he never even demonstrated Preta, plus no emphasis on his eye was made, nor did he give any hints that he used Preta. Don't know why you're mentioning EMS Madara, since all we saw from him was fighting with giant avatars and Kurama, where that ability would've been useless, and later his fight with Hashirama which was entirely skipped.

He had the rinnegan when he pulled Shukaku and Gyuuki.
Bold part didn't really make sense.
I brought up EMS Madara because you're going to use blind madara as a retort. Even then, Hashirama did not have any knowledge of Madara being able to absorb until he met him in edo tensei. Even though most of the fight was hand selected through Hashirama's story, he did not record any memory of Madara absorbing then too, he fought with a fan and his Susanoo.
As fair as anything goes, Obito being able to absorb and pre-rinnegan madara having the ability to absorb chakra is fan fictional without any manga pages to support your claims.
Relying on hints isn't something you should rely on in your argument. It should be obvious that it's the rinnegan because he neither have shown this capability prior to it.

This is fanfic. Orochimaru never said he gave him that ability.

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Then there's these the facts that: A. Yoroi isn't apart of the Sound Four; B. Sound Four only got their Cursed Seals from Orochimaru, not their own abilities.

I said sound ninjas, not sound four. And during Zaku's flashback, he was selected by Orochimaru in which he gave he promised him power. All of the sound ninjas before him were test subjects.

I never said they did. Only Obito and Madara have demonstrated the ability to absorb chakra without using the Rinnegan, so naturally they're the only Uchiha that count.

No they did not. Obito never absorb without the rinnegan and Madara only absorbed because he still retained Hagormoo's chakra. Besides that, none of them ever absorbed without rinnegan/hagormoo chakra.

Which doesn't matter because he showed it when he confronted Madara. This..:

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...isn't Preta. Obito entered Madara's subconscious or whatever you call that and took the chakra with his own ability. Also, since when could Obito utilize the Rinnegan while Black Zetsu was latched onto that side?

Going into his subconscious has nothing to do with the fact that he wasn't using the rinnegan. He needs to pull the bijuus out some how. And he started absorbing here:

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The other part you posted is some other extraction technique. Because the bijuus he pulled did not become his own chakra.
Obito used Rinne tensei when he was attached to black zetsu too.

Okay. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Which means it's a rinnegan power he still maintained after he was revived. Madara without that power/chakra cannot use absorption techniques.

Sasuke's 6T is like dual Rinnegans in terms of power because he got it directly from Hagoromo. Obviously if he awakened it in only one eye, and it has a different design than the standard Rinnegan, almost like the Rinne-Sharingan, then it's at least equal to dual Rinnegans, otherwise Sasuke would've just gotten two.

I don't want to get into theories, I'm just gonna stand on what the manga said.

And Obito didn't absorb the chakra because or with the help with the Rinnegan. If that Rinnegan wasn't there, Obito would have still managed to take Shukaku and Gyuuki's chakra. Also, Black Zetsu wouldn't have allowed Obito to use the Rinnegan - he already completely controlled him before when he made him revive Madara, and Obito only managed to resume control just before Madara took the Rinnegan, but nothing suggests he could use the Rinnegan when he wished, not to mention absolutely no emphasis on the Rinnegan was put to at least hint he used Preta.

You don't need an emphasis on everytime the rinnegan is used. when amenotejakra was used the manga never emphasised it until after Obito/Sakura saved Sasuke.
Obito used rinne tensei when Black zetsu was attached to him and he controlled Black zetsu before reaching Madara. Otherwise he would've never absorbed his chakra with a rinnegan technique and turned black zetsu into a six path staff.
You're also assuming that Obito can pull hachibi and ichibi like that without the rinnegan. This is how Tobi extracts bijuus without the rinnegan.

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[Ambivalence]

He had the rinnegan when he pulled Shukaku and Gyuuki.

So what? You can't prove in anyway that he used Preta, which is what I'm arguing. He used the same thing Madara used without eyes, which is the ability I'm talking about.

Bold part didn't really make sense.

It does make sense because, just like Preta, Obito was never shown to use the absor[tion technique before, which is what you said, so I'm countering with the same thing.

I brought up EMS Madara because you're going to use blind madara as a retort. Even then, Hashirama did not have any knowledge of Madara being able to absorb until he met him in edo tensei. Even though most of the fight was hand selected through Hashirama's story, he did not record any memory of Madara absorbing then too, he fought with a fan and his Susanoo.

If you're referring to the random shots of Madara and Hashirama clashing, that doesn't mean anything because it was just that - random shots that showed little to nothing, they were just there to show Madara and Hashirama fought. Blind Madara absorbing chakra with his palm and later his foot proves he can absorb chakra without the Rinnegan. That also proves he had it before his death. And it's not a Rinnegan ability, since the Rinnegan is only known to have one chakra absorption technique, which is Preta, plus he didn't have the Rinnegan when he did it. He only used Susano'o without eyes because once Susano'o is unlocked it can be materialized anytime since all it takes is the actual chakra hardening, though the its full power (PS) can't be achieved without both eyes, as stated by Madara.

Although I will admit that it's possible he and Obito got that ability because of Rikudou's chakra.

As fair as anything goes, Obito being able to absorb and pre-rinnegan madara having the ability to absorb chakra is fan fictional without any manga pages to support your claims.

I can agree here, but it still doesn't matter because what they used was not a Rinnegan ability.

It should be obvious that it's the rinnegan because he neither have shown this capability prior to it.

This is fan-fictional without any manga pages to support your claims. Give me a page which clearly states the Rinnegan gives the ability to absorb chakra without Preta, which is my main argument - that neither Obito nor Madara used Preta in their instances of absorption.

I said sound ninjas, not sound four.

"...even the sound four gained their powers from Orochimaru."

And during Zaku's flashback, he was selected by Orochimaru in which he gave he promised him power. All of the sound ninjas before him were test subjects.

Why the hell are you givimg me an example of Zaku, who's not only literally had mechanical wind pipes built into his hands, but is also not Yoroi, for whom I already gave a scan refuting Orochimaru giving him anything?

Yeah, test subjects for the cursed seal, not being give abilities like Ukon's splitting or Tayuya's genjutsu. Are Kimimaro's bones now thanks to Orochimaru.

No they did not. Obito never absorb without the rinnegan and Madara only absorbed because he still retained Hagormoo's chakra. Besides that, none of them ever absorbed without rinnegan/hagormoo chakra.

So you're, again, agreeing with me that it wasn't Preta, right? :lol

Going into his subconscious has nothing to do with the fact that he wasn't using the rinnegan. He needs to pull the bijuus out some how. And he started absorbing here. The other part you posted is some other extraction technique. Because the bijuus he pulled did not become his own chakra.

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Obito used Rinne tensei when he was attached to black zetsu too.

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Which means it's a rinnegan power he still maintained after he was revived.

Nope. Obito couldn't use the Rinnegan in his condition, nor could Madara be proven to be able to use it without a Rinnegan at all, and Susano'o =/= that technique.

Madara without that power/chakra cannot use absorption techniques.

The only thing I can agree with is that it's an ability granted by Rikudou chakra, not a Rinnegan technique.

I don't want to get into theories, I'm just gonna stand on what the manga said.

Fine, it's the truth, anyway. If it wasn't like that, Sasuke would've gotten dual Rinnegan instead of a single one with tomoes.

You don't need an emphasis on everytime the rinnegan is used when amenotejakra was used the manga never emphasised it until after Obito/Sakura saved Sasuke.

Even though every Rinnegan technique displayed has either been explained or put emphasis on? And that Amenotejikara example is trash, since Ameno has a distinctive Kanji for when Sasuke performs it - [

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Obito used rinne tensei when Black zetsu was attached to him and he controlled Black zetsu before reaching Madara. Otherwise he would've never absorbed his chakra with a rinnegan technique and turned black zetsu into a six path staff.

Obito only used Rinne Tensei because Zetsu willed it so, it was the plan all along, and Zetsu was the one that was actually selecting the target. Obito did regain control, but he still had no access to the Rinnegan, as he never used it himself after Zetsu latched onto him, and I like you keep repeating it's Rinnegan technique like it's a fact.

And I don't even know what that last sentence is supposed to mean. Turned Black Zetsu into a Six Paths staff? What? Obtio stole some of Madara's Rikudou Senjutsu chakra and was able to form an Onmoyouton ball, which he then turned into a staff. That has nothing to do with Black Zetsu, and he was still clearly occupying Obito's right side.

You're also assuming that Obito can pull hachibi and ichibi like that without the rinnegan. This is how Tobi extracts bijuus without the rinnegan.

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Lol, he took small bits of chakra from Shukaku (the weakest) and Gyuuki. Even Madara states that it was weak [

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[JStar King]

When Madara stopped Sasuke suspended in the air. Why didn't Sasuke pull out Susanoo to stop him from piercing his heart?

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Is there a valid explanation for this or the only thing we have to say is "plot?"

It was for plot, so he could meet the Sage alongside Naruto. That way they could get their next power ups.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So what? You can't prove in anyway that he used Preta, which is what I'm arguing. He used the same thing Madara used without eyes, which is the ability I'm talking about.

Madara without eyes used the same thing Rinnegan Sasuke did against Naruto. He said it was the power of the rinnegan.
And he can't just say that it's a special ability they have. Neither of them have shown this capability before they met each other. So you need to explain yourself there.

It does make sense because, just like Preta, Obito was never shown to use the absor[tion technique before, which is what you said, so I'm countering with the same thing.

What? Obito was shown to use absorption technique only when he had the rinnegan. I'm not seeing your argument here.

If you're referring to the random shots of Madara and Hashirama clashing, that doesn't mean anything because it was just that - random shots that showed little to nothing, they were just there to show Madara and Hashirama fought. Blind Madara absorbing chakra with his palm and later his foot proves he can absorb chakra without the Rinnegan. That also proves he had it before his death. And it's not a Rinnegan ability, since the Rinnegan is only known to have one chakra absorption technique, which is Preta, plus he didn't have the Rinnegan when he did it. He only used Susano'o without eyes because once Susano'o is unlocked it can be materialized anytime since all it takes is the actual chakra hardening, though the its full power (PS) can't be achieved without both eyes, as stated by Madara.

Again wrong. Because Hashirama himself was not aware that he can absorb ninjutsu as proven here.

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Madara was only known to absorb ninjutsu when he had the edo rinnegan but when he went completely blind Hashirama was still shocked that he can absorb ninjutsu. Madara was also able to control chakra receivers blind too, that doesn't mean he was able to use it in the pass when he fought Hashirama too.

Although I will admit that it's possible he and Obito got that ability because of Rikudou's chakra.

Which is when they got the rinnegan.

I can agree here, but it still doesn't matter because what they used was not a Rinnegan ability.

Then what is it?

This is fan-fictional without any manga pages to support your claims. Give me a page which clearly states the Rinnegan gives the ability to absorb chakra without Preta, which is my main argument - that neither Obito nor Madara used Preta in their instances of absorption.

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I never said that the rinnegan lets you absorb without it, I said they're all preta path.
Preta path is just the name of pain's path but the technique that preta path uses is called absorption technique. It's in the third databook. So whatever technique that everyone with the rinnegan absorbed so far are the same.

"...even the sound four gained their powers from Orochimaru."

I meant to say sound ninjas. The 3 man team that participated together in the chuunin exams

Why the hell are you givimg me an example of Zaku, who's not only literally had mechanical wind pipes built into his hands, but is also not Yoroi, for whom I already gave a scan refuting Orochimaru giving him anything?

Yeah, test subjects for the cursed seal, not being give abilities like Ukon's splitting or Tayuya's genjutsu. Are Kimimaro's bones now thanks to Orochimaru.
Everyone in that chuunin exam did not have curse seals and they claimed to gain power from Oro, or at least one of them did.

Because just like Zaku, Yoroi is just a pawn of Orochimaru to bring out Sasuke's power.

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Zaku revealed in his flashback that Orochimaru selected him to give him more power. Orochimaru's workers are all experimented on. Yoroi is no different along with the guy who can stretch around like a snake.

So you're, again, agreeing with me that it wasn't Preta, right? :lol

No I'm not. Without rinnegan/Hagoromoo chakra you can not preform preta paths technique: Absorption technique.

That other absorption technique was the tug of war [

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Preta path does not tug a war for chakra, that's only human path.

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It's not the same because Preta path's technique immediately absorbs chakra without any struggle which is what Obito did to Madara for chakra to create that rikudou staff.
So that scan of naruto and the alliance tugging on Tobi is you implying that naruto can absorb chakra. Which is completely false and different. Naruto's chakra is linked to the bijuus so he is pulling their soul/chakra free, not absorbing it.

No, Obito started casting it while Black Zetsu was nowhere on his body [

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No, that's not what happened. Obito didn't even start to do it yet before black zetsu came along. And black zetsu did the same thing to Madara to revive kaguya too.

Nope. Obito couldn't use the Rinnegan in his condition, nor could Madara be proven to be able to use it without a Rinnegan at all, and Susano'o =/= that technique.

Susanoo is a technique, an Uchiha technique if anything. Black zetsu took over Obito's body before he was able to preform the jutsu

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And then forced Obito to cast it to revive Madara.
And the funny thing is that even Madara said he couldn't use limbo because Obito can use the rinnegan with black zetsu attached.

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The only thing I can agree with is that it's an ability granted by Rikudou chakra, not a Rinnegan technique.

The rinnegan is where they got the rikudou chakra.

Fine, it's the truth, anyway. If it wasn't like that, Sasuke would've gotten dual Rinnegan instead of a single one with tomoes.

Well for you.
Sasuke got on for a reason. The manga said that as long as the original owner has both their eyes together. And since Sasuke awakened his rinnegan with the EMS on his right eye, he can still use the full power of his own rinnegan.
That's all there is to it.

Even though every Rinnegan technique displayed has either been explained or put emphasis on? And that Amenotejikara example is trash, since Ameno has a distinctive Kanji for when Sasuke performs it - [

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Those were all sfx from chidori clashes and Sasuke hitting Naruto. Neither of those were Amenotejakra
Even when he used it here it never showed any emphasis on it

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Obito only used Rinne Tensei because Zetsu willed it so, it was the plan all along, and Zetsu was the one that was actually selecting the target. Obito did regain control, but he still had no access to the Rinnegan, as he never used it himself after Zetsu latched onto him, and I like you keep repeating it's Rinnegan technique like it's a fact.

Again, Madara disagrees

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Gained control of the kyuubi, rinnegan, and black zetsu.

And I don't even know what that last sentence is supposed to mean. Turned Black Zetsu into a Six Paths staff? What? Obtio stole some of Madara's Rikudou Senjutsu chakra and was able to form an Onmoyouton ball, which he then turned into a staff. That has nothing to do with Black Zetsu, and he was still clearly occupying Obito's right side.

He turned Black zetsu into the six path staff here:

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The forearm that was covered in black zetsu peeled off and became a six path staff.

Lol, he took small bits of chakra from Shukaku (the weakest) and Gyuuki. Even Madara states that it was weak [

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So? That's the only way Tobi with Ms can pull out bijuu chakra from any jinchuuriki. Rinnegan Obito did it differently.

 

[To Whatever]

If he used Susanoo, Madara would have either used Susanoo or absorbed the Juubi right then and there.


Either way, he still would have died.

 

[King Of Pop]

i always ask the same thing. could have busted out v4 to protect himself and then ps and given madara a tougher fight as the latter cant use his own as he has only one eye. and no, madara is not absorbing his ps in time before sasuke escapes, thats even if he can even absorb it. if hes going to die, at least let him die with his full power being defeated instead of the bullshit that happened there