Can someone explain: Hashi > Tsunade (Healing)

[The Demon Hawk]

Two are better than one. Naruto has 9 pets while Hashirama has none.

Naruto + his pets >>> Hashirama.

Corrected.

Yeah he later then said that Tsunade's healing process with the Byakguou was similar to Hashirama's. But we knew this in our argument. Tsunade needs the Byakguou to match Hashirama's healing prowess.

lml at the guy saying it's superior :lol

Edit; Did this guy really use the TSB/Black rod argument? Wow.

Addressed in the above post it you read... I'll add more detail.

In regeneration:
Byakugou Tsunade = SM Hashirama (disadvantages aside)
Byakugou Tsunade < SM Hashirama (disadvantages counted)
Tsunade << SM Hashirama (they have the same disadvantages)
Tsunade < Hashirama (same disadvantages)

You don't think rods that instantly kill on touch and work in a Jinton-like fashion are much more powerful?

Oh great, Indra is spewing anti-Sakura/Tsunade garbage again. Reminds me of that Kamui stupidity of his.

Yes, they are stronger, but their usage is different. That's my point. The black rods are for immobility and piercing chakra points for restraining the individual, they aren't a lethal one strike killer like TSBs.

 

[deadp00l]

Spoiler

Tsunade's Byakugo seal healing is FAR superior. A simple analysis can prove this:

Hashirama is stabbed by regular black-rods (while in SM at that), and he's out of commission:

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Sakura tanks a TSB that, absolutely, kills anyone without Sage's Senjutsu with the seal activated:

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Hashirama wasn't using his healing because he wasn't in sage mode, his most hyped healing is an advanced form of healing natural energy gives.

Plus the black rods disrupt chakra and interfere in ninjutsu so its not possible.

Even if he was in sage mode and not stabbed he wouldn't bother because the hokages were using the fact that they were immortal to their advantage.

The DB description has thrown out hyperboles as usual.

 

[shelke]

Yes, they are stronger, but their usage is different. That's my point. The black rods are for immobility and piercing chakra points for restraining the individual, they aren't a lethal one strike killer like TSBs.

So, SS helping a user literally tank a one-hit-kill staff wouldn't put SS above Hashirama's healing? You do realize that he was stabbed way before he stopped moving, right? He should have been able to heal from the inflicted damage to the chakra points, as he was able to hold out for quite a while even after being stabbed, as Madara stabbed him well before Hashirama restrained him. His healing simply ran out of steam.

We saw Naruto getting shot down by those rods and Tobirama as well. The former only got out with Kurama healing his chakra flow system. Tobirama couldn't, because he cannot heal himself. So yes, healing CAN overcome those rods. The evidence clearly suggests it.

Hashirama wasn't using his healing because he wasn't in sage mode, his most hyped healing is an advanced form of healing natural energy gives.

Plus the black rods disrupt chakra and interfere in ninjutsu so its not possible.

Even if he was in sage mode and not stabbed he wouldn't bother because the Hokage's were using the fact that they were immortal to their advantage.

The DB description has thrown out hyperboles as usual.

What did Madara suck out? It was Senjutsu chakra. Hashirama was in SM since the time he entered it. You don't see any lines because it's a drawing error. Kishimoto has made plenty of those.

Look above.

This isn't a hyperbole from any angle.

 

[Liquid Snake]

And what's wrong with saying Sakura is above hashi hashirama in something. Lol her seal was not activated when he attacked her and it would not have stopped him from cutting her in half.

Not because her healing tops hashirama means that she has all the other things hashirama had, those are the things that kept him from being decked by madara, not his healing alone.

Tsunade comes up a short combat wise next to hashirama but you should have known that.

Sakura isn't close to him in anything not tsunade either just because she can mimic his healing means nothing Hell yamato mimics his wood style does it mean its equal no lol and tsunade did have her jutsu active wtf are u talking about

 

[Aizendara]

Tsunade's Byakugo seal healing is FAR superior. A simple analysis can prove this:

Hashirama is stabbed by regular black-rods (while in SM at that), and he's out of commission:

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Sakura tanks a TSB that, absolutely, kills anyone without Sage's Senjutsu with the seal activated:

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So, how is Hashirama's healing superior than the Sousou? Even DB IV disagrees:



This is the ultimate regeneration Jutsu proven by Hashirama puffing like a decript old man from black-rod stabs, when Sakura completely shrugged off a TSB stab that would kill anyone on contact. To blatantly disregard the manga like that ... that is some Hashirama-wankery I am seeing here. Take off your anti-Sakura/Tsunade blinders.

He's an edo. Edos have a body made out of paper. Hashi and Tsuna's healing works by repairing cells, which edos don't have.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

So, SS helping a user literally tank a one-hit-kill staff wouldn't put SS above Hashirama's healing? You do realize that he was stabbed way before he stopped moving, right? He should have been able to heal from the inflicted damage to the chakra points, as he was able to hold out for quite a while even after being stabbed, as Madara stabbed him well before Hashirama restrained him. His healing simply ran out of steam.

We saw Naruto getting shot down by those rods and Tobirama as well. The former only got out with Kurama healing his chakra flow system. Tobirama couldn't, because he cannot heal himself. So yes, healing CAN overcome those rods. The evidence clearly suggests it.

@underlined Sure it would. And I think I get your point. But that isn't applicable here.

@bold That's the point. His chakra points were pierced rendering his chakra ineffective. So it didn't allow him to heal since that required chakra.

 

[Uchiha Manchi]

When you got wood you can heal anything.

Wood ain't the criteria for healing after all Captain Yamato couldn't heal a fly.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Wood ain't the criteria for healing after all Captain Yamato couldn't heal a fly.

He can heal buildings.

 

[shelke]

@The Demon Hawk

Already explained that point as well.

 

[NarutoX28]

What did Madara suck out? It was Senjutsu chakra. Hashirama was in SM since the time he entered it. You don't see any lines because it's a drawing error. Kishimoto has made plenty of those.

Look above.

This isn't a hyperbole from any angle.

No he wasn't. Hashirama was only in Sage Mode prior to using the Gates, but afterwards, he was exhausted and deprived of his Sage Mode which that simply means that Hashirama used up a good portion of his Senjutsu Chakra or Natural Energy, but he still retained Senjutsu Chakra. The only reason he wasn't in Sage Mode was because his quantity of Natural Energy was lacking compared to his own Chakra which leads to the inability to use Senjutsu as Pa has explained before.

It goes quite well with Madara's statement of him having very little Senjutsu Chakra than expected because he was never in Sage Mode in the first place, it's just that he had very little amounts of Natural Energy compared to his Chakra which meant the amount of Senjutsu Chakra he did have paled in comparison to the amount he would have if he actually did use Sage Mode.

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

Hashirama is higher in healing than Tsunade.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Hashirama was said to Heal without hand seals and according to Madara, the ability was similar to Strength of a Hundred Technique.

However, when using Strength of a Hundred Technique, Tsunade not only heals but gains temporary immortality.

So technically Tsunade > Hashirama

Well it shortens her life though, new cell can only be remade so many times.


Where as instead of forming new cell, & by extension shortening his life, Hashirama repairs his cells.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Senju DNA + Ashura

 

[Amazeballs]

Hashirama's healing is Yang Release, bordering on "Creation of All Things." It literally creates life, so cells regenerating is no problem for him. He can grow real limbs using Mokuton.

It's actually similar to when Sasuke stabbed through Yamato's chest, and Yamato pushed the blade out when Mokuton; in that moment, Yamato regrew that part of his body.

It's unclear to what extent Hashirama can heal others with his powerful Yang release and life force, but it's probably similar to Karin's jutsu, which allows others to suck her chakra and feed on her potent Uzumaki life force. Hashirama's would be more effective.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

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[shelke]

No he wasn't. Hashirama was only in Sage Mode prior to using the Gates, but afterwards, he was exhausted and deprived of his Sage Mode which that simply means that Hashirama used up a good portion of his Senjutsu Chakra or Natural Energy, but he still retained Senjutsu Chakra. The only reason he wasn't in Sage Mode was because his quantity of Natural Energy was lacking compared to his own Chakra which leads to the inability to use Senjutsu as Pa has explained before.

It goes quite well with Madara's statement of him having very little Senjutsu Chakra than expected because he was never in Sage Mode in the first place, it's just that he had very little amounts of Natural Energy compared to his Chakra which meant the amount of Senjutsu Chakra he did have paled in comparison to the amount he would have if he actually did use Sage Mode.

That makes no sense whatsoever, because as long as Senjutsu Chakra doesn't end, nor does SM. That is nothing but a far-fetched fictitious assumption on your part, because as soon as Madara pulled it out, he instantly entered SM. He wasn't exhausted (you are talking about a damned Edo here), but his healing was not working. In other words, it was losing the battle against the rods.

No, that doesn't mean anything nor does it imply it. It implied that Madara was skilled enough to handle the quantity. You took it in a literal sense, which is your mistake. He had enough to use SM. That is all there is to it. No idea about the rest. TSBs also render chakra useless, as they literally cut through chakra in a Jinton-like manner or cancel it out outright, which is why it would kill the individual ... as chakra IS lifeforce. Sakura overcoming TSB is a far better feat than Hashirama losing before the black-rods as she completely bypassed its power to affect chakra.

I find it laughable how everyone is ignoring this key point.

 

[Jokule67]

No he wasn't. Hashirama was only in Sage Mode prior to using the Gates, but afterwards, he was exhausted and deprived of his Sage Mode which that simply means that Hashirama used up a good portion of his Senjutsu Chakra or Natural Energy, but he still retained Senjutsu Chakra. The only reason he wasn't in Sage Mode was because his quantity of Natural Energy was lacking compared to his own Chakra which leads to the inability to use Senjutsu as Pa has explained before.

It goes quite well with Madara's statement of him having very little Senjutsu Chakra than expected because he was never in Sage Mode in the first place, it's just that he had very little amounts of Natural Energy compared to his Chakra which meant the amount of Senjutsu Chakra he did have paled in comparison to the amount he would have if he actually did use Sage Mode.

I kinda think Hashirama has latent Sage Mode power stored. Madara literally ripped Sage Mode from person NOT in Sage Mode. And not just any person. Hashirama. We dont even know the secrets behind his Sage Mode.

Everything Madara did in War Arc make no sense at all. This is but one of the many times Kishi cheated for Madara.

 

[Jokule67]

That makes no sense whatsoever, because as long as Senjutsu Chakra doesn't end, nor does SM. That is nothing but a far-fetched fictitious assumption on your part, because as soon as Madara pulled it out, he instantly entered SM. He wasn't exhausted (you are talking about a damned Edo here), but his healing was not working. In other words, it was losing the battle against the rods.

No, that doesn't mean anything nor does it imply it. It implied that Madara was skilled enough to handle the quantity. You took it in a literal sense, which is your mistake. He had enough to use SM. That is all there is to it. No idea about the rest. TSBs also render chakra useless, as they literally cut through chakra in a Jinton-like manner or cancel it out outright, which is why it would kill the individual ... as chakra IS lifeforce. Sakura overcoming TSB is a far better feat than Hashirama losing before the black-rods as she completely bypassed its power to affect chakra.

I find it laughable how everyone is ignoring this key point.

I dont think healing is connected to the black rods. Its a binding power. Has nothing to do with healing. Yes he eventually lost to hem he had about 5 stucking out his back.

And since when did Sakura bypass Truth Seeker Orbs? Scan please.

 

[shelke]

I dont think healing is connected to the black rods. Its a binding power. Has nothing to do with healing. Yes he eventually lost to hem he had about 5 stucking out his back.

And since when did Sakura bypass Truth Seeker Orbs? Scan please.

I didn't say that. I said that he was healing the chakra disturbance ... but, lost the battle. We saw Naruto accomplish that when Kurama's surge of chakra restored his pathways. It can be done with healing.

Posted it on the previous page.

 

[KidGamer65]

Healing Ability
さらに驚嘆すべきはその回復力。
Further worthy of admiration is his recovery ability.
高度な医療忍術を操り、印を結ぶことすらなく傷を治せるのだ。
Commanding high-level ninja healing arts, he can heal wounds even without making hand gestures.
肉体そのものも生命力にあふれ、柱間の細胞を持つ者の治癒力を高める効果も。
His body itself brimming with vitality, those with Hashirama’s cells have heightened healing ability.
その力を超える忍は、以後現在まで存在しない。
To this day, there is no ninja existing who surpasses his power.

Btw, "His" refers to his healing power. Been confirmed by the people who translated this so no BS.

マダラに…大蛇丸に…狙われし柱間の細胞
Hashirama’s sought-after cells… in Madara… in Orochimaru
マダラが造った柱間の人造体
Hashirama’s artificial body of Madara’s creation
類いまれなる回復力を持つ柱間の肉体は、他者の体においてもその能力を発揮する。
The unparalleled recovery ability of Hashirama’s body could even exhibit that ability in the bodies of others.
マダラは、終末の谷の戦いで手にした柱間の細胞を傷口に移植することで生きながらえた。
Madara lived on by transplanting into a wound Hashirama’s cells that he obtained in the Battle of the Valley of the End.
さらに、外道魔像を触媒にして生きた細胞を培養し、柱間の人造体を製造。
In addition, by using the Demon Statue as a catalyst, he cultivated living cells to create an artificial body of Hashirama.
瀕死の重傷を負ったオビトも、人造体を半身に植えつけられたことで傷を癒すことができたのだ。
Even the critically wounded Obito healed his injuries by transplanting half of an artificial body.
柱間の細胞を植え付けた場所には顔が浮かび上がる。
Hashirama’s face appears wherever his cells have been implanted.
細胞は生きているが意識はない。
The cells are alive, but have no awareness.
大蛇丸の人体実験の果てに…
As a result of Orochimaru’s human experiments…
不老不死という飽くなき野望を抱く大蛇丸にとって、柱間の再生能力は重要な研究対象だった。
For Orochimaru, who had an insatiable desire for immortality, Hashirama’s regenerative abilities were a critical target of research.
その細胞に秘められた力を我がものにせんと実験が繰り返され、禁じられた術の開発に悪用される 。
In order to make the power hidden in the cells his, he repeated experiments and misused them for the development of forbidden arts.
初代のクローンであるヤマトも哀しき産物だ。
Yamato, the founder’s clone, was an unfortunate product of this.
その無二の特性は、柱間が最強の忍であることの裏付けの一つである。
That unrivaled characteristic was one of the substantiating factors for Hashirama being the strongest ninja.
奴は印を結ぶことすらなく傷を治すことができた…
The guy could heal wounds without even making hand symbols.

They are on the same level, even though DB outright states that it's the strongest.