Can Science Be Considered A RELIGION? LIMITED EVIDENCE

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Are there are certain fields of science that can be considered religious like...

The field of Anthropology. The conclusions that they reached is based on limited evidence. Since everything that existed doesn't become fossils in the ground due to the way fossilization works. How can they come to these far fetch'd conclusions. Like Evolution and Out Of Africa theory. They be having big ass gaps in those timelines we talking about thousands of years. A lot can happen in a century.

Then suddenly every year or every other year they discover something new. So now they have to change the shit.

The point is much of this stuff is based on limited evidence, a percentage of the whole truth.

Is much of the science based on limited evidence or limited understanding? Since the human mind is limited doesn't that make our sciences limited? Human error and logic?

Things are always changing.
 
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It kind of already is. Even though it's not supposed to be, as it is just a field of studies that revolves around researching and trying to understand things. There's always Zealots out there like with any religion who act as if anything with "science" attached to it is automatically the word of god. 100% undeniable, unbiased, unquestionable facts, no matter who or where they come from. Putting their trust and faith on someone who might be just as blind as them. I swear not even some of the most religious extremists are this dense.

Haven't seen anyone like this outside, but they're everywhere on the internet.
 
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Hmm, I actually minored in anthropology. However, I don’t see the “religion part” or “dogma” of the average researcher. Unless you want to say ancient aliens are a thing, then yeah, you get pushed back on your funding.

Let’s be clear, almost every branch of bio science supports evolution. Geology, zoology, primatology, paleontologist, etc.

Can you name one field that doesn’t? It’s not a conspiracy or mass group think. Their data backs it up.
 

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The point of science is to question everything. Even the most sturdy theories can be questioned. However, when you question something and have no replacement or any evidence for your replacement it just makes you look stupid and someone who studies science will call you on it. Making them seem like a zealot of sorts.
 

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No. The sciences do find their footing on individuals who believed this or that(for good reason), but participants actively go out of their way to verify the truths of statements. They even calculate for the margin of error and try to reduce it and such. In religion, it seems most everyone just follows the script without really questioning it beyond "why is this," "what's the context," or maybe "is it really meant to be interpreted like this." The limitations in science is hardly the human mind. What needs to be found in science is veracity and tools facilitate that. That's the difference. Science is rooted in truths, but religion is rooted in mere claims with a peppering of truth here and there.
 

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Well i wouldnt call it a religion but a path towards the truth.

i mean theirs no such thing as a proven theory or correct answer to anything. a hypotheses can only be supported witht data. nothing is truly right unless it was a vaguely description of a cause and effect.

unless its a law like newtons/boyle's/alot of definitive research and data to back it up its worth cant be disputed or questioned because no matter what if you do this this will happen every time kinda shit.

a religion is more in the whole magic/ higher power kind of shit that draws in the better of people while science is more straight **** you and honest to the people.

science becomes like religion we start to believe its crazy/endless possibles like time travel, spaceships, and everything that rick and morty as shown.
 

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I don't think you can trust anything or anyone as 100 percent accurate all the time. I don't like to think science has an agenda, but I'm sure it can be used for one.


I would like for people to try and understand the world and not limit themselves to beliefs they need confirmed. And maybe at the end of the day you can call what you have done science, I dislike it when people like Sam Harris says people can't be religious at all cus it makes them incapabale of being scientific cus they search for religious questions, why not allow people to do science their way? We all come to the same conclusions anyway.

I don't have anything against religion it's just not for me. There are things in the bible that doesn't seem to correlate with actual truth, that happens to be called science.
So that's where the confllict comes in, but I'm sure you could tweak that anyway.


I don't think you should abandon your faith just to blindly follow whatever is called "science", we don't know everything 100 percent like you said.
 

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religion tells you things and wants you to believe in them, the first thing science tells you is to be curious and question things before telling you the things people that came before you have found out.
 

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Religion is based on faith. Science is based in fact.

All scientific theories are derived from previously obtained evidence which is then added to and revised as more information is discovered. Science does not deal with absolutes, only probabilities. When a theory is wrong, that is still science as it explain not what something is but what something is not. That is still accumulative information.

Religion deals with absolutes and expects you to take it all simply on faith alone.


Science is meant to be questioned until we arrive at the conclusion with the least assumptions. Religion is not meant to be questioned.
 

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Science is an attempt to answer questions through observation, analysis and logic. Religion is an attempt to brainwash and scare people into believing in an invisible man in the sky.

Questioning theories and scientific studies are encouraged until you arrive at an answer which is most plausible. Deut 6:16 reads "Do not test the Lord your God as you did at Massah." the two main religions: Islam and Christianity both tell you not to "test" or question God.


You decide.
 
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Religion is based on faith. Science is based in fact.

All scientific theories are derived from previously obtained evidence which is then added to and revised as more information is discovered. Science does not deal with absolutes, only probabilities. When a theory is wrong, that is still science as it explain not what something is but what something is not. That is still accumulative information.

Religion deals with absolutes and expects you to take it all simply on faith alone.


Science is meant to be questioned until we arrive at the conclusion with the least assumptions. Religion is not meant to be questioned.
religion isn't based on faith...i can be faithful but not religious...vise versa..
 

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Science is an attempt to answer questions through observation, analysis and logic. Religion is an attempt to brainwash and scare people into believing in an invisible man in the sky.

Questioning theories and scientific studies are encouraged until you arrive at an answer which is most plausible. Deut 6:16 reads "Do not test the Lord your God as you did at Massah." the two main religions: Islam and Christianity both tell you not to "test" or question God.


You decide.
i wouldn't say that if i were u..
 

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Science is an attempt to answer questions through observation, analysis and logic. Religion is an attempt to brainwash and scare people into believing in an invisible man in the sky.

Questioning theories and scientific studies are encouraged until you arrive at an answer which is most plausible. Deut 6:16 reads "Do not test the Lord your God as you did at Massah." the two main religions: Islam and Christianity both tell you not to "test" or question God.


You decide.
Thank you for serving as an example of the kind of people i was talking about in my other comment.
 

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Well people study science whilst professing a wide variety of religious faiths ranging from Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism,Christianity, Judaism and even atheism/agnosticism.

If science were a religion then educated people all over the world wouldn’t bother studying it. The very fact that such a diverse group of people with disparate religious beliefs as mentioned above do in fact study science (and the same science) disproves the notion that it is itself a religion.

Whilst religion is mostly dogma
,’mans attempt to impose our own nature, onto nature. Modern science, has been a journey into the unknown, with a lesson in humility waiting at every stop .’ Carl Sagan said it beautifully here :
 

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No. And i was reading that the some guy/old man (Charles Darwin)wrote this book since he was forced to convince people its like that, but later he denied everything about it if i remember correctly.
 

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Science, in and of itself, is an idea - a sort of philosophical construct. It is built upon the belief that the world operates in a consistent and systematic manner... 'rules' - which can be discovered through processes designed to analyze how one factor affects the outcome of a process within our world. If this is truly not the case, and the rules of our world are subject to change without our notice, then science and anything we consider to be reason has only a limited bearing on reality. However, it would be impossible to know what things are variable, and what things are fixed, without first testing for that which is consistent in the first place.

In this sense, this is the belief that God is logical and consistent. All people ultimately believe in God - a process which is responsible for creating the world around us. Exactly who that God is and why that God has constructed the universe is a matter of personal existential philosophy known as Spiritualism - but everyone has a God, even if it is only their desire for the world to have no meaning beyond what they can stitch together from chaos.

If one does not believe that God or God's world is consistent - then science is relatively pointless and one believes he lives in Harry Potter, where the whims of an author to express a thing over-rule any kind of logical consistency, conservation law, or purpose beyond the desire to express an idea considered 'neat.' To such people, the question is never why it rains or what process leads to the rain developing, it is why God has chosen to express rain on that given day, time, and area. The world doesn't need physical reason, it requires symbolic or emotional justification.

While I did deliver a bit of an underhand at Rowling, it serves as a rather practical distinction between a scientific mindset and a magical mindset. Little Witch Academia versus Harry Potter. One person requires a causal sequence of events or circumstances to describe the outcome, the other requires a social or philosophical symbol to embellish a statement into the existence of the outcome.

These views are not necessarily adversarial - it is simply which manner in which a person is willing to predominantly view their world. To someone who is more prone to seeing the magic of the world - the symbolic connection between events is sufficient evidence to them for causation. To someone who is more prone to seeing the science of the world - they are more prone to trying to repeat those phenomena in a bottle and isolate causal factors. Most people can see both - it is why fractals and 'magic ratios' are always very intriguing for people and certain things are magnetic in their appeal.

While Science, itself, is difficult to say it can ever become a religion - people can erect or consolidate into institutions dedicated to certain pursuits, philosophies, and ideas. Science would force us to re-evaluate our understanding of the world if we launched a satellite into polar orbit over the Sun and found it to be a toroid (or if, in a sort of epic troll fashion, it slammed into a newly deployed firmament - evoking the first question of whether or not anything need be consistent about our world and how science would deal with getting different results from the same experiment performed multiple times... every person who has studied quantum mechanics is now shifting anxiously). But our ability to explore the world is finite and not every factor can be easily isolated and tested.

This leads to ideas and opinions on what the available experimental evidence actually suggests, often contingent upon one's beliefs about the accuracy and relevance of the collected data to the proposed theory. This leads, invariably, to people extending their beliefs of what is going on beyond what is strictly proven by experiment. This is not necessarily a bad thing - engineers were using atom theory for steam engines and other such things well before atoms were proven to exist. It worked to describe what was going on and led to accurate predictions about the behavior of steam and chemical reactions. Not every theory needs to be proven beyond its functional applications. Our first theories that led to the construction of the transistor were way off - but they were accurate enough to get us that far, and we learned more in doing so.

It is when people become unwilling to learn new things beyond what they have learned to use, functionally, where it becomes more of a religious mindset than a scientific one. This process, too, is not always bad. People willing to be consistently critical of new ideas and theories, quick to temper the expectations and predictions of others, can be valuable in their own right. So long as scientists are able to freely hold these ideas and develop them on their own, this is no real issue.

When signs of 'group think' and censorship begin to emerge, however, this is when the mindset of scientists and free thinkers has been replaced with that of magicians and cultists. It is to be considered an ill omen.
 

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Religion isn't based on faith. It's based on scientific studies done by the ancients which can even be observed to this day. Many scientists approve of the fact thier inventions were thanks to the bible/other metaphysical/"religious" texts. Science isn't even absolute. Scientists, plenty of them, have lied to gain profit. Nothing is a trustworthy source of information, instinct is better than fabricated facts.
 
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