Can Sasuke use Tengai Shinsei?

[King Of Pop]

=Bronze;18168049]No, his reasoning behind that fallacious belief is, that Madara needed which no proof that he actually did. As matter of fact, Madara with one eye never intended to use CT during that time; he had no intention to. False...Obito stated he could use all the 6 Paths techniques with only one.

its not that he had no intention, its that he couldnt which is why he ran to get hes second eye and as soon as he got that, he immediately used it. ct is devas full power and times when it was used aside sasuke the dual rinne was present in its wieders(nagato and madara). if you want to claim madara could have doen it with one then you have to prove it.

No proof that he needed. Chibaku Tensei was nothing more than diversion for Madara to fly and activate IT, while Naruto & Sasuke are busy cutting his CT.

yes he needs both otherwise he could have used that diversion on them with hes one while he goes on to get hes second eye, that would have saved him the trouble instead of getting hes ass kicked and then running away to get hes second eye. like i said show proof that madara could have used it with one or you are talking out of your ass.

Anyone with Rinnegan can make CT.

and your proof is? dual wielders of the eye have been the only ones shown to use it, sasuke is the first one eyed user to use meaning he can use the rinnegans full power just fine., if you think otherwise then you prove it.

=Bronze;18170274]Based on feats? Hm, the Chibaku Tensei he created paled in comparison to CT created by Madara in size, so not as potent. The Preta Path he used on Naruto could only drain tiny Chakra, whereas Madara and Naruto could drain massive Chakra; so not as potent.

madara is a juubi jin so your comparison falls flat. hte juubis full chakra would obv amplify hes techniques much better than someone who doesnt have it. thats because that was the chakra present in naruto, narutos own chakra quantity was low hence kyuubi gathered some for him which sasuke absorbed, he absorbed the chakra available. why would he absorb massive chakra when the person hes absorbing from didnt possess massive chakra at that time? you make no sense. and hes already been shown to absorb mass chakra as seen when the bijjus which he put in ps, i guess you forgot about that?

So no, his destiny to surpass Madara was never true. The only actual form of Sasuke you use for this destiny, is EMS Sasuke, who reached his full potential before being given outside power; and EMS Sasuke by feats and hype was never even close to EMS Madara's level.

Ems sasuke never reached hes full potential. the mere fact that you are comparing someone who had hes Ems for years and had time to hone and master it to one who only had it what? barely a day definitely says something. he already did what madara did at vote by coating a kyuubi structure in ps, if he can reach that level with a a day of getting the eyes how much more when he has about a year or 2 to master it. given more years he would have surpassed madara in not time

Yes, if any ordinary 17 year old was giving Hagoromo's power, he/she would possess the Rinnegan as well. He didn't show any feats surpassing Madara's and Hagoromo's, since the Preta Path he used never had the absorption proportion as Madara and Nagato showed. His CT was never close to Madara's CT. So, he didn't show anything for you to conclude he his feats surpasses the ones who awoke the Doujutsu, but you're a fanboy regardless, so it is expected.

he used CT without a core, something the others never showed, he manipulated the bijjus chakra(what appears to be a superior form of outer path) and combined them at a level which was stated to be on par with the sage yet you believe he cant acess the complete powers of hes eye? he used preta and absorbed what he could have absorbed which was the bit of kyuubis chakra naruto had in him, he cant absorb massive proportions when its not available so your preta point is retarded. and sasuke did awaken it with the chakra he received from hagoromo, its hes eye and hes a true wielder.the only fanboy here is you who tries desperately to downplay sasukes rinnegan so as he wont appear better than madara.

Lol at people still using the "Sasuke has one Rinnegan" excuse to say Sasuke can't use the Rinnegan's full power.

Sasuke can use the Rinnegan's full power.

its one madara tard who is a bit insecure that keeps spouting the bullshit.

OT. he could, i dont see why not.

 

[Bronze]

Last post.

Well its really subjective, you think Madara's CT was superior because of size, others say Sasuke's CT is superior because of its ability to transform the target itself into the core, and he only needed to make them big enough to hold the bijuu which is still very big.

A walking contradictory yet again. You said his CT is as potent as Madara's CT, which wasn't. And having transforming the target as a core was only a capacity when he paralysed the movements of the Bijuu. I'm sure any other Rinnegan can do this feat as part of CT mechanics.

He also showed great control of CT, as he managed to maintain those 9 in the air during the fight and was able to freely maneuver them. And the way he absorbed the beasts using his Susanoo as a vessel showed Rinnegan mastery compared to the Sage himself, and with that he unlocked a new Susanoo stronger than all others, no jutsu shown by Madara compares to Indra's Arrow in terms of Destruction capabilities.

Madara did the same, by having his CT dragging down on the ground. Nagato could do the same to Naruto/Kyuubi, when he trapped them in CT and planned to drag it to where ever location the sealing was required. So, anyone with CT can control the direction of their Jutsu. Don't hit your head. Sasuke using Susanoo as vessel wasn't a Rinnegan technique; it was some form of Yin-Yang. Hagoromo separated the Bijuu using Creation of all Things which functions through Yin-Yang, Sasuke reversed the effect instead.

Any ordinary 17 year old given Hagoromo's chakra would unlock the Rinnegan as well? Don't make me laugh, did you miss the whole notion of Ashura and Indra transmigrating through generations and Naruto and Sasuke being the current transmigrants?

Hagoromo's Chakra = Rinnegan awakening. That is how Madara got his Rinnegan. If Hagoromo gave an equal Chakra to any ordinary Uchiha, the Rinnegan would be awoken.

Indra, the direct son of Hagoromo was the ancestor of the Uchiha clan and the first possessor of the Sharingan. The Rinnegan is the natural progression of the Sharingan when combined with Ashura's chakra or Hagoromo's directly, no one other than Sasuke and Madara would unlock the Rinnegan as far as we know, maybe there were previous transmigrants but we don't know that.

Why is this relevant exactly?

About EMS Sasuke vs EMS Madara I agree Madara showed greater feats, but again Sasuke was young and he just unlocked these powers, I am pretty sure he reached or even surpassed Madara by the time of the Epilogue.

This means the potential to surpass Madara in only EMS form, made by the mentioned 3 characters, is false. EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke. Sasuke's potential to surpass him wouldn't have existed if Hagoromo had not blessed him with his power. And no, without Naruto's power, Sasuke never hopes to beat Madara.

And whats with those "Uh..."s lol, get your mouth off Madara's **** and deal with the fact that he is not the only OP Uchiha.

Why is this relevant exactly?

@PerfectSchizoid, as I said: You're beyond saving. You and the other retarded Bleach member.

 

[VongolaX]

Using Susanoo like Madara?
Seems reasonable after the level of Chibakui tensei that he displayed towards naruto at Vote.

Tensigan isn't any of the six path Justu (rikudou Justus), it's a six path power.

Moving a meteors or moving the moon is a power that any wielded of rikudou chakra can use.

Something specific like that can apply to Madara only or Sasuke can use a different variant.

 

[shelke]

His form of CT was far superior than Jubi-Madara with two Rinnegan. But he can't pull this off, when back then, Madara's Rinnegan was fake? Yeah, okay.

 

[Omar19992010]

Pretty sure Madara only used Tengai Shinei the once. Weren't they just CT's that were manipulated into falling down?

Tengai Shinsei is pretty much Universal Pull on steroids. He's just pulling in Meteoroids from space.