Can Sasuke use Tengai Shinsei?

[Holy God]

No, I'm not being narrow-minded. I explained the reason behind the 6 tomoe on Sasuke's Rinnegan. Whether you're convinced or not, doesn't bother me a bit when I'm making my point. As I said, the 6 tomoe is a result of the Yin dominance of Hagoromo's Chakra, which altered its appearance. It is not because it's a special eye, but rather is unbalanced. As explained by Tobirama, the Chakra sprouted from the brain causes to awake 3-tomeo Sharingan. So, if a stronger and larger quantity of Yin is applied to the Doujutsu, it will surely create more tomoe. It still remains the same Rinnegan as one-eyed Madara, since he stated he wielded Sasuke's eye power while being specific in what he calls; one-eyed Rinnegan is what he said.



Yes, it counts and will in here. Every time Sasuke and Itachi activated Susanoo, they use their MS. If Susanoo wasn't Sharingan technique, they won't need it. Madara using it at a blind state simply shows his skill with the Jutsu, but does not defy that it remains a Sharingan technique; both confirmed in manga and databook. Madara used it in collaboration with his Rinnegan to call fourth meteor, which makes it both Sharingan and Rinnegan technique.



And yet again, you contradict yourself. You didn't post fact for Sasuke's Rinnegan holding the power of Double Rinnegan, and then you went on about how there was no hard-proof. And now you're saying you posted fact which you haven't. Either you're a walking contradictory, or someone ignorant of the meaning behind fact.

Edit: It's my last reply.

So you believe that the appearance is changed and nothing else? Makes sense(sarcasm).

Madara displaying it without eyes shows his skill and the fact that you don't need eye contact to use the technique. That means that regardless of what eye is activated, you can use it after unlocking it. Susano'o also isn't a Rinnegan technique. It simply helped in the using of one. You still lacked to respond how Sasuke is the only one who showed the ability to use visual techniques with his Rinnegan.

Nope. This shows that your reading comprehension is somewhat off. None of the three facts stated that his one Rinnegan has the power of two.

 

[UCE]

He Maybe able to use that After some time.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Sasuke Rinnegan is the third eye.msasuke can do it, but he probably doesn't know it.msasuke is possible able to use kaguya techniques or limited forms of them

 

[Rikodou Mode]

He could, but he doesn't know the mechanics of it, nor that it even exists as far as I'm aware... So, he has the potential to use it...

He already witnessed Madara dropping bigger versions when his sharingan was activated to so he can already do it.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Fully functioning Rinnegan? No. He has only one Rinnegan, and without two of them, his eye is incomplete. However, as suggested in comment 3, he has the potential to use; but since he doesn't know the seals for the Jutsu, he can't.

One Rinnegan with tomoe that has all the feats that only a DR has displayed

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

those ct were much smallar than Madara's PS and those tengai shinsei madara made

sasky ps and sasky ct are chibi

Madaras PS is bijuu size. Bijuu were I'm the meteors.
I don't see why Madara fappers gotta discredit Sasuke when its unnecessary.
We get it he's stronger than Sasuke. Don't have to spout bus to prove something so obvious

 

[JayeshMange]

Actually he could use it and just teleport outta there

don't he just swaps* with something, in some bound range?

 

[Omar19992010]

don't he just swaps* with something, in some bound range?

Yeah his Range is bound but it's still pretty big.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Lol at people still using the "Sasuke has one Rinnegan" excuse to say Sasuke can't use the Rinnegan's full power.

Sasuke can use the Rinnegan's full power.

 

[Endles Waltz]

He probably could by now.

 

[Torche]

He already witnessed Madara dropping bigger versions when his sharingan was activated to so he can already do it.

Pretty sure Madara only used Tengai Shinei the once. Weren't they just CT's that were manipulated into falling down?

 

[Endles Waltz]

I believe that because the manga said you need two Rinnegan and original wielder to use it at its full potential; which Sasuke doesn't meet neither of the requirements for me to believe that. But I seen enough to convince me you're beyond saving.

The fact that you don't acknowledge Sasuke to be an original wielder shows your bias.
Also based on feats Sasuke's tomoed Rinnegan is definitely as potent as a double Rinnegan if not more. Those double Rinnegan claims were made before we saw anything like Sasuke's tomoed Rinnegan.

Sasuke, the next of Indra's transmigrants, was hinted to eventually surpass Madara by many (Kyuubi, Orochimaru, Tobirama).

As a 17 year old with a newly awakened Rinnegan he showed feats that surpassed Madara's and were compared to Hagoromo. He used the Rinnegan for a very short period of time pre-700 and kept using more of its techniques during his fight with Naruto.

Logically he can use all Rinnegan techniques we have seen by now. We get it you like Madara, but you don't need to nerf Sasuke, if its your way of coping its fine, its a natural reaction. People in positions of power feel threatened when new powers rise and try to diminish them right away. I think that's the case with some Madara fans since Sasuke got the Rinnegan.

Don't worry though just because Sasuke can do the same or even better doesn't make Madara less awesome.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Pretty sure Madara only used Tengai Shinei the once. Weren't they just CT's that were manipulated into falling down?

Honestly idk, I just assumed Tengai Shinsei was CT but with the purpose of crushing rather than containing the opponent

 

[Elodin]

Most likely.

 

[Neji Hyūga2]

I'd love to see Sasuke do this. Would be pretty damn awesome!

 

[Bronze]

The fact that you don't acknowledge Sasuke to be an original wielder shows your bias.
Also based on feats Sasuke's tomoed Rinnegan is definitely as potent as a double Rinnegan if not more. Those double Rinnegan claims were made before we saw anything like Sasuke's tomoed Rinnegan.

Based on feats? Hm, the Chibaku Tensei he created paled in comparison to CT created by Madara in size, so not as potent. The Preta Path he used on Naruto could only drain tiny Chakra, whereas Madara and Naruto could drain massive Chakra; so not as potent.

Sasuke, the next of Indra's transmigrants, was hinted to eventually surpass Madara by many (Kyuubi, Orochimaru, Tobirama).

And he didn't surpass him as Indra transmigrant, because:

1). He was granted by Hagoromo the same power original power as Indra had, which makes his potential and power borrowed.
2). He needed Naruto's help in order to fight Madara.

So no, his destiny to surpass Madara was never true. The only actual form of Sasuke you use for this destiny, is EMS Sasuke, who reached his full potential before being given outside power; and EMS Sasuke by feats and hype was never even close to EMS Madara's level.

As a 17 year old with a newly awakened Rinnegan he showed feats that surpassed Madara's and were compared to Hagoromo. He used the Rinnegan for a very short period of time pre-700 and kept using more of its techniques during his fight with Naruto.

Yes, if any ordinary 17 year old was giving Hagoromo's power, he/she would possess the Rinnegan as well. He didn't show any feats surpassing Madara's and Hagoromo's, since the Preta Path he used never had the absorption proportion as Madara and Nagato showed. His CT was never close to Madara's CT. So, he didn't show anything for you to conclude he his feats surpasses the ones who awoke the Doujutsu, but you're a fanboy regardless, so it is expected.

Logically he can use all Rinnegan techniques we have seen by now. We get it you like Madara, but you don't need to nerf Sasuke, if its your way of coping its fine, its a natural reaction. People in positions of power feel threatened when new powers rise and try to diminish them right away. I think that's the case with some Madara fans since Sasuke got the Rinnegan.

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Don't worry though just because Sasuke can do the same or even better doesn't make Madara less awesome.

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[Bronze]

So you believe that the appearance is changed and nothing else? Makes sense(sarcasm).

Until proven otherwise, yes.

Madara displaying it without eyes shows his skill and the fact that you don't need eye contact to use the technique. That means that regardless of what eye is activated, you can use it after unlocking it. Susano'o also isn't a Rinnegan technique. It simply helped in the using of one. You still lacked to respond how Sasuke is the only one who showed the ability to use visual techniques with his Rinnegan.

And you still haven't explained why Sasuke and Itachi needed to activate their MS to use Susanoo. What lack? I didn't deny it to begin with.

Nope. This shows that your reading comprehension is somewhat off. None of the three facts stated that his one Rinnegan has the power of two.

*Facepalm*

Here are some facts:

It was stated you need both your original eyes to use their full power. Sasuke has both of his.

 

[JStar King]

It makes me wonder how Madara knew of the Rinnegan's ability, when he was so old.

 

[Endles Waltz]

Based on feats? Hm, the Chibaku Tensei he created paled in comparison to CT created by Madara in size, so not as potent. The Preta Path he used on Naruto could only drain tiny Chakra, whereas Madara and Naruto could drain massive Chakra; so not as potent.



And he didn't surpass him as Indra transmigrant, because:

1). He was granted by Hagoromo the same power original power as Indra had, which makes his potential and power borrowed.
2). He needed Naruto's help in order to fight Madara.

So no, his destiny to surpass Madara was never true. The only actual form of Sasuke you use for this destiny, is EMS Sasuke, who reached his full potential before being given outside power; and EMS Sasuke by feats and hype was never even close to EMS Madara's level.



Yes, if any ordinary 17 year old was giving Hagoromo's power, he/she would possess the Rinnegan as well. He didn't show any feats surpassing Madara's and Hagoromo's, since the Preta Path he used never had the absorption proportion as Madara and Nagato showed. His CT was never close to Madara's CT. So, he didn't show anything for you to conclude he his feats surpasses the ones who awoke the Doujutsu, but you're a fanboy regardless, so it is expected.



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Well its really subjective, you think Madara's CT was superior because of size, others say Sasuke's CT is superior because of its ability to transform the target itself into the core, and he only needed to make them big enough to hold the bijuu which is still very big.

He also showed great control of CT, as he managed to maintain those 9 in the air during the fight and was able to freely maneuver them. And the way he absorbed the beasts using his Susanoo as a vessel showed Rinnegan mastery compared to the Sage himself, and with that he unlocked a new Susanoo stronger than all others, no jutsu shown by Madara compares to Indra's Arrow in terms of Destruction capabilities.

Any ordinary 17 year old given Hagoromo's chakra would unlock the Rinnegan as well? Don't make me laugh, did you miss the whole notion of Ashura and Indra transmigrating through generations and Naruto and Sasuke being the current transmigrants?

Indra, the direct son of Hagoromo was the ancestor of the Uchiha clan and the first possessor of the Sharingan. The Rinnegan is the natural progression of the Sharingan when combined with Ashura's chakra or Hagoromo's directly, no one other than Sasuke and Madara would unlock the Rinnegan as far as we know, maybe there were previous transmigrants but we don't know that.

About EMS Sasuke vs EMS Madara I agree Madara showed greater feats, but again Sasuke was young and he just unlocked these powers, I am pretty sure he reached or even surpassed Madara by the time of the Epilogue.

And whats with those "Uh..."s lol, get your mouth off Madara's **** and deal with the fact that he is not the only OP Uchiha. =D

 

[Holy God]

Until proven otherwise, yes.



And you still haven't explained why Sasuke and Itachi needed to activate their MS to use Susanoo. What lack? I didn't deny it to begin with.



*Facepalm*

You conceded to one of my points in the below argument, so you should now believe that it is better.

I don't know Kiahimoto's explanation for why it happens, but he obviously thought being able to do one without a Mangekyou indefinitely, later on in the Manga. Perhaps when accessing the Mangekyou techniques, the special chakra sprouts from the brain into the eyes, therefore changing their appearance. This much is obvious. Because Susano'o doesn't require eye contact though, the special chakra going into the eyes in needed, therefore you can do it without eyes.

You must not be completely comprehending the difference of the two statements. The fact I posted tells how one needs both their original eyes to use their full power. That is the one you quoted. That has nothing to do with his one Rinnegan having the power of two regular ones.