Can Samehada counter Amaterasu?
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Yes he can (if Kisame is the one wielding it).
As you can see in the image above, Samehada absorbed the katon. That is a fact. The only parts that were not absorbed were the flames which didn't touch Samehada.
Samehada very clearly absorbed the fire. The fact that it 'thunked' Bee on the head afterwards shows mild irritation, not inability. Does Samehada like absorbing katon? No. Will it absorb katon? Yes. When we're talking about absorbing fire, the same principles apply to Amaterasu as they do katon. Even if Samehada does not willingly absorb Amaterasu, Kisame can force it to after merging with it. Yes, you read that right.
Notice how Samehada only betrayed Kisame for Bee after it seperated from Kisame. If it could have, Samehada would've seperated from Kisame while he was still battling with Bee in the water dome. It was only after Samehada and Kisame disconnected that Samehada earned a free will of its own. Also, Kisame merged and hid within Samehada in order to infiltrate the Hidden Cloud and gain intel on the location of the Hachibi and Kyubi:
Bee specifically states that Kisame forced Samehada to merge with him. On the next page, Kisame forces Samehada to absorb Bee's chakra:
That being said, Kisame can force Samehada to absorb amaterasu if necessary.
Moving on: here's what the databook has to say about Amaterasu:
Translation:
"The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying
conflagration that scorches all on heaven and earth!!"
The Uchiha clan, originally significant as "those with the fans which manipulate
fire", traditionally specialize in Katon jutsu, but there is a legendary jutsu
unknown outside the clan. This is "Amaterasu". The appearance of these flames
are jet-black. The high temperature is like the sun, and one time touching it is
the last. It is said that this is named after the Goddess of the Sun as it
continues to burn for seven days and seven nights. However, the Mangekyou
Sharingan is necessary to activate this jutsu, and for this reason there are not
many who have learned this jutsu. Therefore, the details of this jutsu are yet
unrevealed...
Picture text:
Top: The black flames that only the owner of the Mangekyou Sharingan can control
are even able to instantly break through the side of a rock toad who breathes
fire!!
Bottom: Jiraiya, whi has mastered many jutsu, did not know of the existence of
Amaterasu. What he does understand is the power of the suspicious conflagration.
I believe the databook is the only source at all that states Amaterasu is hotter than normal fire. As I'm sure you know, the databook exaggerates the power of almost every jutsu. The flames will not actually burn for seven days and seven nights. One time touching it is not necessarily always the last. The flames are not as hot as the sun. That being said, there's no reason to believe that flames from Amaterasu are any hotter than normal flames.
Kisame doesn't need to see Amaterasu to absorb it, Samehada does it for him. Absorbing chakra is almost instant so the moment it appears on his body it gets absorbed. Even if the flames do burn him slightly in the millisecond it takes to absorb them, Samehada will heal him from the minor burns just like it healed him from Bee's V2 Lariat, which was a much more serious injury:
Something else I'd like to point out: according to science, a bolt of lightning is five times hotter than the surface of the sun. Samehada dealt with Bee's Raiton-enhanced swords with no trouble at all:
Even if the databook was not exaggerating at all, and Amaterasu really is "as hot as the sun", it makes no difference. Samehada absorbed chakra that was five times hotter than Amaterasu, your argument that "amaterasu is too hot for Samehada to absorb" is invalid.
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As you can see in the image above, Samehada absorbed the katon. That is a fact. The only parts that were not absorbed were the flames which didn't touch Samehada.
Samehada very clearly absorbed the fire. The fact that it 'thunked' Bee on the head afterwards shows mild irritation, not inability. Does Samehada like absorbing katon? No. Will it absorb katon? Yes. When we're talking about absorbing fire, the same principles apply to Amaterasu as they do katon. Even if Samehada does not willingly absorb Amaterasu, Kisame can force it to after merging with it. Yes, you read that right.
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Notice how Samehada only betrayed Kisame for Bee after it seperated from Kisame. If it could have, Samehada would've seperated from Kisame while he was still battling with Bee in the water dome. It was only after Samehada and Kisame disconnected that Samehada earned a free will of its own. Also, Kisame merged and hid within Samehada in order to infiltrate the Hidden Cloud and gain intel on the location of the Hachibi and Kyubi:
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Bee specifically states that Kisame forced Samehada to merge with him. On the next page, Kisame forces Samehada to absorb Bee's chakra:
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That being said, Kisame can force Samehada to absorb amaterasu if necessary.
Moving on: here's what the databook has to say about Amaterasu:
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Translation:
"The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying
conflagration that scorches all on heaven and earth!!"
The Uchiha clan, originally significant as "those with the fans which manipulate
fire", traditionally specialize in Katon jutsu, but there is a legendary jutsu
unknown outside the clan. This is "Amaterasu". The appearance of these flames
are jet-black. The high temperature is like the sun, and one time touching it is
the last. It is said that this is named after the Goddess of the Sun as it
continues to burn for seven days and seven nights. However, the Mangekyou
Sharingan is necessary to activate this jutsu, and for this reason there are not
many who have learned this jutsu. Therefore, the details of this jutsu are yet
unrevealed...
Picture text:
Top: The black flames that only the owner of the Mangekyou Sharingan can control
are even able to instantly break through the side of a rock toad who breathes
fire!!
Bottom: Jiraiya, whi has mastered many jutsu, did not know of the existence of
Amaterasu. What he does understand is the power of the suspicious conflagration.
I believe the databook is the only source at all that states Amaterasu is hotter than normal fire. As I'm sure you know, the databook exaggerates the power of almost every jutsu. The flames will not actually burn for seven days and seven nights. One time touching it is not necessarily always the last. The flames are not as hot as the sun. That being said, there's no reason to believe that flames from Amaterasu are any hotter than normal flames.
Kisame doesn't need to see Amaterasu to absorb it, Samehada does it for him. Absorbing chakra is almost instant so the moment it appears on his body it gets absorbed. Even if the flames do burn him slightly in the millisecond it takes to absorb them, Samehada will heal him from the minor burns just like it healed him from Bee's V2 Lariat, which was a much more serious injury:
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Something else I'd like to point out: according to science, a bolt of lightning is five times hotter than the surface of the sun. Samehada dealt with Bee's Raiton-enhanced swords with no trouble at all:
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Even if the databook was not exaggerating at all, and Amaterasu really is "as hot as the sun", it makes no difference. Samehada absorbed chakra that was five times hotter than Amaterasu, your argument that "amaterasu is too hot for Samehada to absorb" is invalid.
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swirlyshark
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Lol this is about ur debate earlier bro relax lmao even if kisame can't absorb amateratsu that's all ms sasuke has that can beat kisame and he CNT just spam it before it takes its toll he used it once on killer bee and fell over from the pain and if memory serves me right the raikage took the pain and got rid of his right arm so wats to say kisame couldn't do the same if he needed to? I'm not fanboying I could make a list of at least 5 ppl that could smash kisame its just sad to underestimate him so
Microsword57
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Great Points, I was wrong about Kisame not being able to force Samehada into following his demands and I think you for educating me on that subject, but I still stand on my point that Amaterasu is too overwhelming for Samehada. While Kisame can force Samehada through it's irritations he cannot however force Samehada passed it's limitations. Amaterasu has been shown to be capable of producing an enormous abundance of flames[
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]. Flames of these proportions cannot be counter by Samehada considering it's limit while the Amaterasu user can produce as much as he wishes especially with an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.A Problem I had with your argument though was your comparison of Lighting being 5 times as Hot as the Sun. While this may be true your comparing the Raiton swords to lighting which should not be the case. Their power is no where near as strong and neither is their heat. A Jutsu such as Kirin would be a better comparison as it required Sasuke's hottest Katon as well as Itachi Amaterasu flames to boost it's power. That can arguably match your description of lighting however the Raiton swords cannot. Lighting is conjure through a high-temperature atmosphere and the Raiton swords are not shown or described to need a heat source. If those Raiton swords were 5 Times as Hot as the Sun then Samehada would have demonstrated strong irritation much more than he did with Itachi's Katon yet he absorb the Raiton with ease. If the Raiton utilized with the swords was 5 times as hot as the Sun and it absorbed it with ease Samehada would have represented no signs of irritation from Itachi's Katon unless you want to argue that Itachi Katon is more than 5 times as hot as the sun.
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swirlyshark
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At least ur using smart evidence now instead of simply opinions and not just underestimating him
Microsword57
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I Appreciate the Feedback. If you ever want to give more whether that be in this thread or another please feel free. The more feedback the better I can become. It also helps me in identifying how others perceive me.
What makes you think that absorbing Amaterasu is past Samehada's limitations? There's absolutely nothing to suggest that it's beyond Samehada's capabilities. Sure, Samehada might not willingly absorb it but as I explained above, it can be forced. The only time Samehada will prove incapable of absorbing ninjutsu is when there is just an overwhelming amount of chakra and it can't absorb it all at once (example being when Samehada couldn't absorb Bee's lariat when he was in V2). Amaterasu doesn't contain overwhelming amounts of chakra, or else Itachi (who had low chakra/stamina levels when he was alive) would not have been able to use it.
As for the lightning argument - it's called Raiton, meaning "lightning style". It's lightning, not just simple electricity. Lightning is five times hotter than the sun. You said "Samehada would have experienced extreme irritation", that's not neccessarily true. People are struck by lightning all the time, and survive it. Yet people arguably experience more irritation when they're on fire than when they get struck by lightning. Anyway, this was more of a side point.
If I can't convince you, maybe this guy can:
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