Can Rinnegan Obito use Shinra Tensei?

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It's been stated that he can so yes.

 

[legarcon]

In my previous thread we reached consensus that Sasuke can use Shinra Tensei

How about Rinnegan Obito, ie the one that controlled the jinchurikis during war? Can rinnegan Obito use Shinra Tensei?

yes but it would be very chakra consuming and it would be pointless to use a technique the enemy has countered before

 

[synkross]

Obito possesses the Rennigan, which automatically gives him all the abilities of a rennigan irrespective of the fact whether he displays them or not. Its like saying Rennigan Madara can't use asura and animal path just cuz he didn't display them.

 

[Apêx1]

No, he hasn't shown any Deva abilities, unlike Sexsuke.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Had 1 eye that was not like sasuke so I say no

 

[xxSAGExx]

The evolutionary stage doesn't apply to Hagormoo, the birth place of the rinnegan.

Madara said with one eye he can use full power, before knocking over the bijuus.



Madara was talking about the sharingan, he said the sharingan reaches full power when they are met.

That's why kid Obito said he wanted to team up with Kakashi.

When Obito repeated when he was older, Madara said: "No, that's a rinnegan."



He didn't control the bodies because that's not what the rinnegan allows you to do.

Go to the 3rd databook on Nagato and rinnegan, read the summaries that were on the chakra rods.

It doesn't confirm it as rinnegan origin (ability)

Even old Madara no rinnegan used the black rods to his leisure to give to Obito.

He told him to use it for the six path Justus, not the use of dead bodies.

That's a technique that Nagato created and named it out of his persona six path of pain.

Rikudou no Justu =/= rikudou pain or pain rikudou

We're not talking about Hagoromo but Madara and since the Rinnegan devolve into the Sharingan it's still fits in. Neither Madara or Obito with 1 Rinnegan was shown capable of using all Rinnegan jutsus. Madara said "If" he use the Rinnegan full power, not that he's going to or will since after getting the Juubi he doesn't use any of the Rinnegan's powerful Jutsus so he wasn't even using it when he should have

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Obito had 1 Rinnegan and 1 Sharingan while talking about the Sharingan being stronger when both are togther, Madara was talking about what Obito had with him. Madara isn't going to use his Rinnegan to aid Obito, Obito was talking about Kakashi and him working together using their MS. Same applies with the Rinnegan, why do you think Madara wanted to get his other Rinnegan so badly and when he did his limbo limit went from 1 to 4. He also starts using CT like nothing after having both like he couldn't access that jutsu with one eye alone. If he can fully use the Rinnegan power with 1 eye then why did he try going after Sasuke's Rinnegan too? If he wanted power then going after Kakashi's eye from the get go would have been the answer and Kamui snipe them.

Nagato distributed his Rinnegan jutsus amongst the 6 Paths, was controlling them directly by the chakra rods, his Rinnegan appears as their eyes, and they have shared vision and you think it's not a Rinnegan ability? Madara still had the Sage's power for having both Indra and Ashura chakra. The data book was made before all of this new info was put out and Madara is the best Uchiha who is capable of doing things other Uchihas can't or haven't done and that's with powers he gained himself.

If Nagato created that jutsu then why was Obito not only using it but using a better version of it right after getting the Rinnegan? He didn't have to split Rinnegan jutsus between them, let them use their individual jutsus.

 

[VongolaX]

We're not talking about Hagoromo but Madara and since the Rinnegan devolve into the Sharingan it's still fits in. Neither Madara or Obito with 1 Rinnegan was shown capable of using all Rinnegan jutsus. Madara said "If" he use the Rinnegan full power, not that he's going to or will since after getting the Juubi he doesn't use any of the Rinnegan's powerful Jutsus so he wasn't even using it when he should have

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How do you know that Madara didn't/can't use the full power of the rinnegan with one eye?

He never did with both eyes, so you're making an assumption here.

On top of that you can't use the same mechanics of the sharingan with the rinnegan.

They said you need both eyes to use Susanoo (blind Madara and one eye Madara used it without it)

Kakashi who is a fine example lost the sharingan eye, and it was given to Obito's unconscious body.

After Obito died along with his physical eyes, Obito's chakra alone gave Kakashi access to the mangekyo ability with no eyes.

We can't use sharingan logic with the rinnegan, the sharingan has stages while the rinnegan is just chakra of Hagoromoo itself in the eyes.

Because everything derieved from Kaguya who had a Byukagan and one sharingan (that everyone calls third eye), so that just throws everything out of place comparing sharingan use to Rinnegan.

Obito had 1 Rinnegan and 1 Sharingan while talking about the Sharingan being stronger when both are togther, Madara was talking about what Obito had with him. Madara isn't going to use his Rinnegan to aid Obito, Obito was talking about Kakashi and him working together using their MS. Same applies with the Rinnegan, why do you think Madara wanted to get his other Rinnegan so badly and when he did his limbo limit went from 1 to 4. He also starts using CT like nothing after having both like he couldn't access that jutsu with one eye alone. If he can fully use the Rinnegan power with 1 eye then why did he try going after Sasuke's Rinnegan too? If he wanted power then going after Kakashi's eye from the get go would have been the answer and Kamui snipe them.

I already mentioned the Obito part which proved my point.

It's the sharingan that becomes stronger when used together, the rinnegan was not mentioned.

By Madara gaining the his other eyes he becomes closer and closer to Kaguya's power.

If he so desperately needed another rinnegan, he would of grabbed Sasuke's like you said.

But no, for his IT to work according to the tablet about the Samsera's use of IT to work.

He didn't need to wait 15 minutes like Obito did, because he's still missing the kyuubi remember?

^^That's what the eye was for.

The second rinnegan doubled the power of one, if Madara couldn't utilize the rinnegan with one...

He wouldn't be able to use limbo in the first place.

Even chibakui tensei was used with one eye by Sasuke, but not on the same scale as double rinnegan Madara.

With like I was saying, you can use all the techniques with one eye but with two it doubles the power greatly.

^^That is what Madara wanted

It never stated that you can use a limited set of six path techniques with one eye, it doesn't work that way.

Nagato distributed his Rinnegan jutsus amongst the 6 Paths, was controlling them directly by the chakra rods, his Rinnegan appears as their eyes, and they have shared vision and you think it's not a Rinnegan ability? Madara still had the Sage's power for having both Indra and Ashura chakra. The data book was made before all of this new info was put out and Madara is the best Uchiha who is capable of doing things other Uchihas can't or haven't done and that's with powers he gained himself.

Nagato distributed the chakra to their paths via black rods.

The black rods came out of Gedo mazou shaped into a physical form by Madara's will.

Now your saying by Madara still containing Sage power that he was able to use it correct?

^^Good, that's what I wanted to read.

By Nagato putting rods into yahiko, it unabled him to use shrina tensei without having the real physical rinnegan.

Those eyes were just a reflection of chakra, their is only one pair of rinnegan eyes not six.

It wasn't the rinnegan that gave pain the ability of six paths, but the rods itself.

Nagato used the rinnegan when he fought Hanzo and in Edo tensei (it restores former powers), besides that he's been using rods all along.

So by Madara creating the rods through sage chakra (not rinnegan) he was still able to use the six paths Justus.

If he remember that chapter 606 page 14-16 when he taught Obito, he told him to use his will (the rods) in the six path Justus.

Because it is a containment of his sage chakra/power besides the rinnegan that was given to Nagato.

If Nagato created that jutsu then why was Obito not only using it but using a better version of it right after getting the Rinnegan? He didn't have to split Rinnegan jutsus between them, let them use their individual jutsus.

Nagato created the six paths of pain, the bodies which Obito gave him credit for.

Obito already had the rods imbedded in his body when he was in the cave with Madara.

Obito's outer path was better than Nagato's, the Gedo mazou's chakra was running through the rods binding the jinchuuriki's into the Edo body.

Nagato/pain didn't have the Gedo mazou in his hand when binding Naruto in their fight, MS Tobi was using it to seal up Killerbee at the time (turned out to be a tentacle)

 

[King Of Pop]

no, i dont think so

 

[xxSAGExx]

How do you know that Madara didn't/can't use the full power of the rinnegan with one eye?

He never did with both eyes, so you're making an assumption here.

On top of that you can't use the same mechanics of the sharingan with the rinnegan.

They said you need both eyes to use Susanoo (blind Madara and one eye Madara used it without it)

Kakashi who is a fine example lost the sharingan eye, and it was given to Obito's unconscious body.

After Obito died along with his physical eyes, Obito's chakra alone gave Kakashi access to the mangekyo ability with no eyes.

We can't use sharingan logic with the rinnegan, the sharingan has stages while the rinnegan is just chakra of Hagoromoo itself in the eyes.

Because everything derieved from Kaguya who had a Byukagan and one sharingan (that everyone calls third eye), so that just throws everything out of place comparing sharingan use to Rinnegan.



I already mentioned the Obito part which proved my point.

It's the sharingan that becomes stronger when used together, the rinnegan was not mentioned.

By Madara gaining the his other eyes he becomes closer and closer to Kaguya's power.

If he so desperately needed another rinnegan, he would of grabbed Sasuke's like you said.

But no, for his IT to work according to the tablet about the Samsera's use of IT to work.

He didn't need to wait 15 minutes like Obito did, because he's still missing the kyuubi remember?

^^That's what the eye was for.

The second rinnegan doubled the power of one, if Madara couldn't utilize the rinnegan with one...

He wouldn't be able to use limbo in the first place.

Even chibakui tensei was used with one eye by Sasuke, but not on the same scale as double rinnegan Madara.

With like I was saying, you can use all the techniques with one eye but with two it doubles the power greatly.

^^That is what Madara wanted

It never stated that you can use a limited set of six path techniques with one eye, it doesn't work that way.



Nagato distributed the chakra to their paths via black rods.

The black rods came out of Gedo mazou shaped into a physical form by Madara's will.

Now your saying by Madara still containing Sage power that he was able to use it correct?

^^Good, that's what I wanted to read.

By Nagato putting rods into yahiko, it unabled him to use shrina tensei without having the real physical rinnegan.

Those eyes were just a reflection of chakra, their is only one pair of rinnegan eyes not six.

It wasn't the rinnegan that gave pain the ability of six paths, but the rods itself.

Nagato used the rinnegan when he fought Hanzo and in Edo tensei (it restores former powers), besides that he's been using rods all along.

So by Madara creating the rods through sage chakra (not rinnegan) he was still able to use the six paths Justus.

If he remember that chapter 606 page 14-16 when he taught Obito, he told him to use his will (the rods) in the six path Justus.

Because it is a containment of his sage chakra/power besides the rinnegan that was given to Nagato.





Nagato created the six paths of pain, the bodies which Obito gave him created for.

Obito already had the rods imbedded in his body when he was in the cave with Madara.

Obito's outer path was better than Nagato's, the Gedo mazou's chakra was running through the rods binding the jinchuuriki's into the Edo body.

Nagato/pain didn't have the Gedo mazou in his hand when binding Naruto in their fight, MS Tobi was using it to seal up Killerbee at the time (turned out to be a tentacle)

If that's true then that would make 1 Rinnegan equal to 2 Rinnegan, don't think they use both Rinnegans for every jutsu to power it up, they only put the needs chakra into the eye to. Madara only could use 1 Limbo with 1 eye even though he had the most chakra in the world at the time but he gained access to 4 Limbos after having both his eyes. The Rinnegan isn't going to give Madara more chakra nor does he need it, it gave him access to the Rinnegan's full power which he started to display.

For 1 Rinnegan to access to full power, there would have to be no differences in power after getting the other eye. Madara didn't activate IT right away, he fought them for a bit with greater power than he had before. I know it's plot Madara didn't neg Naruto and Sasuke with 1 eye just from jutsu's he used before that Kishi doesn't have him do but Madara shows that having both Rinnegan is greater power than 1. The Rinnegan is formed by combining Indra's and Ashura's chakra to make the Sage's chakra just like EMS is made from brothers MS combined so how are they not alive? The Sharingan turns into the Rinnegan as MS does to EMS so why would it change completely? The Rinnegan have greater visual prowess than the Sharingan and uses jutsus by concentrating chakra into them.

Just because Sasuke used CT doesn't mean he has access to all of the Rinnegan jutsus Madara eyes had, Sasuke got his Rinnegan from the Sage's Yin chakra while Madara gained his by combining Indra's chakra (represents Yin) and Ashura's chakra (tepresents Yang) to form the Sage's chakra (Yin Yang) and got both eyes Rinnegan. Indra have the Sage's eyes and was gifted with powerful chakra and spiritual energy and Ashura got the Sage's body and was gifted with lifeforce and physical energy. Obito explains Izanagi and tells us spiritual energy is Yin and physical is Yang

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. So the Rinnegan of Madara and Sasuke is different.

Obito and Nagato didn't have the Sage's chakra so they wouldn't be as strong as Madara would be with Rinnegan. SM Naruto was able to touch Nagato chakra rod but Hashirama told Sasuke not to Touch Madara's, why is that? I know they didn't have the real Rinnegan, Obito's eyes reflected on his paths as well, I don't see how Obito would be better at a jutsu that Nagato made than Nagato. Gedo put chakra rods inside Nagato's body but not Obito's or Madara's also raises an eye. Either way the 6 paths wasn't my main point but that the Rinnegan requires both eyes to use full power and use all jutsus. Sharingan came from the Rinnegan and would share that with it.

 

[VongolaX]

If that's true then that would make 1 Rinnegan equal to 2 Rinnegan, don't think they use both Rinnegans for every jutsu to power it up, they only put the needs chakra into the eye to. Madara only could use 1 Limbo with 1 eye even though he had the most chakra in the world at the time but he gained access to 4 Limbos after having both his eyes. The Rinnegan isn't going to give Madara more chakra nor does he need it, it gave him access to the Rinnegan's full power which he started to display.

He needed the second eye for IT, and yes he needed more chakra for it because he didn't absorb any other chakra.

Despite missing the kyuubi from naruto, he was able to use IT without the other kyuubi instantly.

Rinnegan eye doesn't give you split powers, otherwise one eye Madara wouldn't of been able to use limbo at all with one eye.

For 1 Rinnegan to access to full power, there would have to be no differences in power after getting the other eye. Madara didn't activate IT right away, he fought them for a bit with greater power than he had before. I know it's plot Madara didn't neg Naruto and Sasuke with 1 eye just from jutsu's he used before that Kishi doesn't have him do but Madara shows that having both Rinnegan is greater power than 1. The Rinnegan is formed by combining Indra's and Ashura's chakra to make the Sage's chakra just like EMS is made from brothers MS combined so how are they not alive? The Sharingan turns into the Rinnegan as MS does to EMS so why would it change completely? The Rinnegan have greater visual prowess than the Sharingan and uses jutsus by concentrating chakra into them.

The rinnegan is greater, so it doesn't need to go through extensive use in achieving it.

You needed Hagoromoo's chakra to even get the rinnegan while being a lucky incarnate.

A sharingan needs to go through a series step process of three transformations before swapping sibling eyes for EMS.

Rinnegan is straight forward chakra of both incarnates forming his own, without the emotional state like the sharingan.

It's a complete to different doujustu that has it's own principles.

When ocular eyes are together (meaning all 3) will the owner will be at full power.

When the original get at least one eye back, he can use full power of the eye.

Just because Sasuke used CT doesn't mean he has access to all of the Rinnegan jutsus Madara eyes had, Sasuke got his Rinnegan from the Sage's Yin chakra while Madara gained his by combining Indra's chakra (represents Yin) and Ashura's chakra (tepresents Yang) to form the Sage's chakra (Yin Yang) and got both eyes Rinnegan. Indra have the Sage's eyes and was gifted with powerful chakra and spiritual energy and Ashura got the Sage's body and was gifted with lifeforce and physical energy. Obito explains Izanagi and tells us spiritual energy is Yin and physical is Yang

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. So the Rinnegan of Madara and Sasuke is different.

He got the sage's yin seal, Sasuke awakened the rinnegan through the transplant of Hashirama advanced cells.

You can't awaken the rinnegan with just yin chakra, it's never been stated.

Indra was the blood brother of Ashura and son of the sage.

He had his dad's ocular chakra....

Hagoromoo's ocular chakra is not just yin, it's both...

Ashura awakened the body (which is senjustu).

So he got his dad's senjustu chakra (all nine bijuus) which consist of great life energy.

^^you can't get gudodama's without having the property of yin and yang, which Ashura had.

Obito and Nagato didn't have the Sage's chakra so they wouldn't be as strong as Madara would be with Rinnegan. SM Naruto was able to touch Nagato chakra rod but Hashirama told Sasuke not to Touch Madara's, why is that? I know they didn't have the real Rinnegan, Obito's eyes reflected on his paths as well, I don't see how Obito would be better at a jutsu that Nagato made than Nagato. Gedo put chakra rods inside Nagato's body but not Obito's or Madara's also raises an eye. Either way the 6 paths wasn't my main point but that the Rinnegan requires both eyes to use full power and use all jutsus. Sharingan came from the Rinnegan and would share that with it.

What?

Nagato Hamas the sage's chakra....

It's called the rinnegan

Obito also had it, read what he told konan.

Obito had the chakra rods in him, Madara put it in him.

Why do you think that Madara was controlling the rods in his body?

Madara created the rods while being attached to the Gedo mazou.

Nagato didn't have Gedo mazou, that's why his bondage wasn't as strong as Obito.

It's the chains from Gedo mazou that is stronger than nagato's, the six paths of pain is not a Gedo mazou no Justu.

That's why I said that the rods aren't a rinnegan base ninjustu.

By putting in a type of chakra into the rods will it take hold of.

Madara used a yin yang rod on the hokages

Pain used the six path Justus through the black rod not Inyouton.

 

[xxSAGExx]

He needed the second eye for IT, and yes he needed more chakra for it because he didn't absorb any other chakra.

Despite missing the kyuubi from naruto, he was able to use IT without the other kyuubi instantly.

Rinnegan eye doesn't give you split powers, otherwise one eye Madara wouldn't of been able to use limbo at all with one eye.



The rinnegan is greater, so it doesn't need to go through extensive use in achieving it.

You needed Hagoromoo's chakra to even get the rinnegan while being a lucky incarnate.

A sharingan needs to go through a series step process of three transformations before swapping sibling eyes for EMS.

Rinnegan is straight forward chakra of both incarnates forming his own, without the emotional state like the sharingan.

It's a complete to different doujustu that has it's own principles.

When ocular eyes are together (meaning all 3) will the owner will be at full power.

When the original get at least one eye back, he can use full power of the eye.



He got the sage's yin seal, Sasuke awakened the rinnegan through the transplant of Hashirama advanced cells.

You can't awaken the rinnegan with just yin chakra, it's never been stated.

Indra was the blood brother of Ashura and son of the sage.

He had his dad's ocular chakra....

Hagoromoo's ocular chakra is not just yin, it's both...

Ashura awakened the body (which is senjustu).

So he got his dad's senjustu chakra (all nine bijuus) which consist of great life energy.

^^you can't get gudodama's without having the property of yin and yang, which Ashura had.





What?

Nagato Hamas the sage's chakra....

It's called the rinnegan

Obito also had it, read what he told konan.

Obito had the chakra rods in him, Madara put it in him.

Why do you think that Madara was controlling the rods in his body?

Madara created the rods while being attached to the Gedo mazou.

Nagato didn't have Gedo mazou, that's why his bondage wasn't as strong as Obito.

It's the chains from Gedo mazou that is stronger than nagato's, the six paths of pain is not a Gedo mazou no Justu.

That's why I said that the rods aren't a rinnegan base ninjustu.

By putting in a type of chakra into the rods will it take hold of.

Madara used a yin yang rod on the hokages

Pain used the six path Justus through the black rod not Inyouton.

Madara never said he needed the other eye for IT, he only said when people possessing the power of transmigration gets close to the moon the third eye opens

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. Only Madara have the both Transmigrations. Of course the Sharingan needs to go through steps, it was devolved through the generations, the way you have to level up the Sharingan is how it was devolved and that's why the process of leveling up the Sharingan is written on the tablet.

You didn't make sense saying if the power was split then he wouldn't have used limbo, if Madara got the eye that have Limbo in it then he can use it; each eye should contain a balance number of the jutsus. Also I'm pretty sure limbo was Madara's MS jutsu but he had weaker versions until he got the Rinnegan. If you could use the full power of the Rinnegan then why didn't Obito use Limbo (he can't use MS Jutsus like Nagato couldn't use Susanoo so if it was MS jutsu then that can be why)? If Obito had the full use of the Rinnegan then why didn't he use them? We know he can pull souls out but he wasn't trying to kill Naruto nor did he touch him since Kamui warp required touch. He chose to let Kakashi live when he first beat him and left him in Kamui world until he returned; that's when Naruto saved Kakashi.

Sasuke can't awaken the Rinnegam from Hashirama's cells since Naruto and Sasuke are the Transmigration, Hagoromo even said Madara got Hashirama cells before the transmigration was over. You need the Sage's chakra, Sasuke got the Yin part of the Sage's chakra so he still have the sage's chakra and even said he was going to use the hermit power against Madara which turned his Chidori black. Obito said Indra got the Sage's eyes that gifted him with powerful chakra and spiritual energy; spiritual energy is Yin chakra.

Yes but you can't just get the Rinnegan just by having both chakras, need EMS to get Rinnegan; why else would you need to level up your Sharingan to EMS to see how to get the Rinnegan from the tablet? 3T is needed to see how to MS (Itachi already told Sasuke how to get it), need MS to see how to get EMS and so on. Senjutsu isn't the body, Senjutsu is adding natural energy with your own chakra and that makes a stronger chakra in the form of Senjutsu. Hagoromo released all of the Bijuus before naming Ashura his successor and before that he told Naruto that Ashura chakra bloomed which gave him power equal to Indra so Ashura had that power before Hagoromo released the Bijuus.

TSB is made of at least 4 elements as Hiruzen said and it was like Jinton but better. Yin yang was added to it to negate Ninjutsus which in turn can kill Edo Tensei. So no you don't beed Yin Yang since Obito made TSB weapons before applying Yin Yang. Also it could be a power gained from having the Juubi in him and/or having the Rinnegan ability to use any element. Jinton is made by fire, earth and wind I believe and Naruto has lava (earth and fire) and wind (himself and Shukaku) then he has other elements as well.

Rinnegan is the manifestation of having the Sage chakra, Nagato didn't awakem them did he? Nagato's chakra does not come from his eyes do they? So how does he have it? He has the Sage's body being an Uzumaki but he doesn't have the Sage chakra that is made by having both Ashura and Indra chakra in you. Obito migh possibly have some of Ashura chakra since Madara took cells when Hashirama had Ashura chakra in him and reproduced it but he doesn't have Indra chakra which is why he never gotten his own Rinnegan.

Madara had his puppet seal on Obito's heart, the chakra rods shot out of Obito to cancel out Sasuke's arrows so Madara was mainly controlling him by other means than the chakra rods. Obito didn't use the Gedo Mazo as he was controlling the Edo Jinchuurikis, they were fighting Naruto and Bee then Kakashi and Gai long before the Gedo was summoned. He only had the Bijuu's on leashes but was controlling them with the 6 path ability/jutsu via chakra rods. Edo Madara used the rods on Hashirama and Jiraiya said Nagato could use all 6 elements since he was a kid.

 

[Benjamin King]

Madara taught him to use Rinnegan Rikudou, which includes Deva Path. Kakashi later notes Obito is wasting too much Chakra, which Obito confirms his Chakra is not enough to spam the Rinnegan techniques.

 

[Demonic.]

Madara taught him to use Rinnegan Rikudou, which includes Deva Path. Kakashi later notes Obito is wasting too much Chakra, which Obito confirms his Chakra is not enough to spam the Rinnegan techniques.

Just because he taught him how, doesn't mean he can pull it off bro.

 

[Benjamin King]

Just because he taught him how, doesn't mean he can pull it off bro.

So if I teach someone how to write, they can't write it?

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Makes no sense.

 

[VongolaX]

Madara never said he needed the other eye for IT, he only said when people possessing the power of transmigration gets close to the moon the third eye opens

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. Only Madara have the both Transmigrations. Of course the Sharingan needs to go through steps, it was devolved through the generations, the way you have to level up the Sharingan is how it was devolved and that's why the process of leveling up the Sharingan is written on the tablet.

You didn't make sense saying if the power was split then he wouldn't have used limbo, if Madara got the eye that have Limbo in it then he can use it; each eye should contain a balance number of the jutsus. Also I'm pretty sure limbo was Madara's MS jutsu but he had weaker versions until he got the Rinnegan. If you could use the full power of the Rinnegan then why didn't Obito use Limbo (he can't use MS Jutsus like Nagato couldn't use Susanoo so if it was MS jutsu then that can be why)? If Obito had the full use of the Rinnegan then why didn't he use them? We know he can pull souls out but he wasn't trying to kill Naruto nor did he touch him since Kamui warp required touch. He chose to let Kakashi live when he first beat him and left him in Kamui world until he returned; that's when Naruto saved Kakashi.

Sasuke can't awaken the Rinnegam from Hashirama's cells since Naruto and Sasuke are the Transmigration, Hagoromo even said Madara got Hashirama cells before the transmigration was over. You need the Sage's chakra, Sasuke got the Yin part of the Sage's chakra so he still have the sage's chakra and even said he was going to use the hermit power against Madara which turned his Chidori black. Obito said Indra got the Sage's eyes that gifted him with powerful chakra and spiritual energy; spiritual energy is Yin chakra.

Yes but you can't just get the Rinnegan just by having both chakras, need EMS to get Rinnegan; why else would you need to level up your Sharingan to EMS to see how to get the Rinnegan from the tablet? 3T is needed to see how to MS (Itachi already told Sasuke how to get it), need MS to see how to get EMS and so on. Senjutsu isn't the body, Senjutsu is adding natural energy with your own chakra and that makes a stronger chakra in the form of Senjutsu. Hagoromo released all of the Bijuus before naming Ashura his successor and before that he told Naruto that Ashura chakra bloomed which gave him power equal to Indra so Ashura had that power before Hagoromo released the Bijuus.

Alright, I can tell that you have your mind made up about sharingan working the same as the rinnegan.

So why don't you just make a thread about it

TSB is made of at least 4 elements as Hiruzen said and it was like Jinton but better. Yin yang was added to it to negate Ninjutsus which in turn can kill Edo Tensei. So no you don't beed Yin Yang since Obito made TSB weapons before applying Yin Yang. Also it could be a power gained from having the Juubi in him and/or having the Rinnegan ability to use any element. Jinton is made by fire, earth and wind I believe and Naruto has lava (earth and fire) and wind (himself and Shukaku) then he has other elements as well.

Gudodama is made up of yin yang release, even Tobirama came to the conclusion that he was using shadow and light style.

The power of all nine bijuus is yin yang release and all elements bijuu kekkai genkai

Rinnegan is the manifestation of having the Sage chakra, Nagato didn't awakem them did he? Nagato's chakra does not come from his eyes do they? So how does he have it? He has the Sage's body being an Uzumaki but he doesn't have the Sage chakra that is made by having both Ashura and Indra chakra in you. Obito migh possibly have some of Ashura chakra since Madara took cells when Hashirama had Ashura chakra in him and reproduced it but he doesn't have Indra chakra which is why he never gotten his own Rinnegan.

Uzamaki doesn't give you sage body...

Nagato got his sage power from the rinnegan implanted in his eyes.

Madara had his puppet seal on Obito's heart, the chakra rods shot out of Obito to cancel out Sasuke's arrows so Madara was mainly controlling him by other means than the chakra rods. Obito didn't use the Gedo Mazo as he was controlling the Edo Jinchuurikis, they were fighting Naruto and Bee then Kakashi and Gai long before the Gedo was summoned. He only had the Bijuu's on leashes but was controlling them with the 6 path ability/jutsu via chakra rods. Edo Madara used the rods on Hashirama and Jiraiya said Nagato could use all 6 elements since he was a kid.

Puppet seal isn't chakra rods, otherwise Rin would have them as well.

The black rods that was in Obito's body was implanted to hold the senju cells, it also grants Obito to use them for Six path Justus but Madara can also use it to control Obito while near death. (Because it's his chakra that is in the rods)

So he was controlling Obito with his sage chakra in the war, well tried to but overcame it.

Nagato mastered 5 elements as stated in viz translation.

There is no such thing as yin yang element, it's called yin yang release.

There is yin element and yang element, together it is a release.

It's like calling mokuton an element...

 

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Logically yes, but there are no feats of it.

 

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Alright, I can tell that you have your mind made up about sharingan working the same as the rinnegan.

So why don't you just make a thread about it



Gudodama is made up of yin yang release, even Tobirama came to the conclusion that he was using shadow and light style.

The power of all nine bijuus is yin yang release and all elements bijuu kekkai genkai



Uzamaki doesn't give you sage body...

Nagato got his sage power from the rinnegan implanted in his eyes.




Puppet seal isn't chakra rods, otherwise Rin would have them as well.

The black rods that was in Obito's body was implanted to hold the senju cells, it also grants Obito to use them for Six path Justus but Madara can also use it to control Obito while near death. (Because it's his chakra that is in the rods)

So he was controlling Obito with his sage chakra in the war, well tried to but overcame it.

Nagato mastered 5 elements as stated in viz translation.

There is no such thing as yin yang element, it's called yin yang release.

There is yin element and yang element, together it is a release.

It's like calling mokuton an element...

Yet he used it to beat Hiruzen, Tobirama, and Hashirama's clone yet Hiruzen and Tobirama regenerated

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. After transforming, Obito had the TSBs behind him with one made into his staff and another one hovering above his other hand

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. That's when he added Yin Yang to it.

How is the power of all Bijuus Yin yang release? They were made with Yin Yang according to Obito and can be split into Yin and Yang half but I don't see all of them together being yin yang. KKG is the blood limit and in this case it's combining elements to make a new one. Uzumaki's and Senjus are both decendants from Ashura and the Uzumaki's have long lives; the Sage's body grants lifeforce and physical energy which all fits. Uzumaki's have strong bodies and have the highest success rate with having strong enough bodies to contain Bijuu's. Mito, Kushina, and Naruto were all Jinchuurikis. Bee's cousin wasn't compatible and died from his body not being able to contain the 8 tails and he said his dad and I think brother died before him.

Nagato got the Sage's power, not the Sage's chakra. Two different things. Just like how Kabuto had Orochimaru cells in him but used Orochimaru chakra that was in Anko's CM to power his control of Edo Tensei up. Obito said he had Kakashi stab his heart because he didn't want to follow Madara's orders

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. Madara used the puppet seal to control Obito, Rin, and the mist ninjas and it doesn't let you kill yourself so you need others to do so

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. The chakra rod was in the Gedo Mazo

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Madara said to use it when he use the Rikudo jutsu which could be sealing Bijuus. The rod moved from the Hashirama clone to the Gedo and he was going to pull Yamato soul out without the rod in him.

Well Kakashi said Yamato have 3 elements including his mokuton

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they said there's no such thing as wood element so he uses water and earth to create it

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. The 5 elements are called katon release aren't they? And Yamato mentioned the quality control of Yin and Yang when Naruto was asking explanations so if you can use them separate and combine them then it's still and element right?

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Yet he used it to beat Hiruzen, Tobirama, and Hashirama's clone yet Hiruzen and Tobirama regenerated

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. After transforming, Obito had the TSBs behind him with one made into his staff and another one hovering above his other hand

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. That's when he added Yin Yang to it.

The truth seeking ball is what Tobirama called shadow and light.

The liquid fluid thing mindless Obito used was a kekkai genkai.

Naruto has truth seeking balls

How is the power of all Bijuus Yin yang release? They were made with Yin Yang according to Obito and can be split into Yin and Yang half but I don't see all of them together being yin yang. KKG is the blood limit and in this case it's combining elements to make a new one. Uzumaki's and Senjus are both decendants from Ashura and the Uzumaki's have long lives; the Sage's body grants lifeforce and physical energy which all fits. Uzumaki's have strong bodies and have the highest success rate with having strong enough bodies to contain Bijuu's. Mito, Kushina, and Naruto were all Jinchuurikis. Bee's cousin wasn't compatible and died from his body not being able to contain the 8 tails and he said his dad and I think brother died before him.

Naruto has all nine bijuus which enabled him to use rikudou senjustu.

Rikudou senjustu have truth seeking balls which are yin yang base.

Senju's are a descendant from Ashura, only the incarnates gets Ashura's chakra....Not the whole clan.

Uzamaki is a descendant of the senju's, their abilities are longevity and healing.

The sage is does not have uzamaki longevity neither does Ashura, in fact it was the Gedo mazou that have Hagoromoo longevity otherwise he would of died shortly after the extraction.

Nagato got the Sage's power, not the Sage's chakra. Two different things. Just like how Kabuto had Orochimaru cells in him but used Orochimaru chakra that was in Anko's CM to power his control of Edo Tensei up. Obito said he had Kakashi stab his heart because he didn't want to follow Madara's orders

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. Madara used the puppet seal to control Obito, Rin, and the mist ninjas and it doesn't let you kill yourself so you need others to do so

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. The chakra rod was in the Gedo Mazo

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Madara said to use it when he use the Rikudo jutsu which could be sealing Bijuus. The rod moved from the Hashirama clone to the Gedo and he was going to pull Yamato soul out without the rod in him.

I hope you know that sage power is sage chakra, which is why when Orochimaru went to kabuto he released his senjustu and absorbed his chakra back too.

Power is chakra in its purest...

Rikudou no Justu is six path Justu (deva, Asura, preta etc).....Not the sealing technique that's called outer paths Gedo no Justu phantom nine dragons.

Well Kakashi said Yamato have 3 elements including his mokuton

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they said there's no such thing as wood element so he uses water and earth to create it

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. The 5 elements are called katon release aren't they? And Yamato mentioned the quality control of Yin and Yang when Naruto was asking explanations so if you can use them separate and combine them then it's still and element right?

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Naruto asked if Yamato has three elements including mokuton, Kakashi said no that's not how it works.

You read the bubble all wrong

You contradicted yourself in the second scan...

Yamato says there is no such thing as a wood element.

Use the viz translation, even the databook said Nagato has 5 elements.

Yin yang is a release

 

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So if I teach someone how to write, they can't write it?

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Makes no sense.

Nice example Lol, here's another one:

If Kobe Bryant teaches you how to play basketball. ...doesn't mean you're going to be as good as Kobe Bryant.

Madara > Obito. Madara is Kobe in this example.

 

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Nice example Lol, here's another one:

If Kobe Bryant teaches you how to play basketball. ...doesn't mean you're going to be as good as Kobe Bryant.

Madara > Obito. Madara is Kobe in this example.

Where does my post say Obito is as good as Madara?