Can Naruto break Rinnegan Genjutsu or Tsukuyomi?

[ComplexCity]

He can't break out of Tsukuyomi or Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Rinnegan Genjutsu is a given. Unless the Jutsu can somehow access Naruto's

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while also disrupting his own mind, then someone can release him from the technique.

We don't know the capabilities of RNG so I don't see how you can say the bold

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

RNG Gen is just below IT?

This is nothing but your assumption. I'm waiting for manga scans. Kurama couldn't break out of 3 Tomoe so I guess by your logic that also means Naruto can't also right?

Ok, inserting the panel of Rinnegan genjutsu controlling all 8.5 Bijuu.

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With a glance, there was no escape.

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Now IT is the strongest genjutsu known to us but if the Rinnegan genjutsu is known to be this good, it might as well be put out there. It's more than enough for what Naruto can handle. With a glance, he got all 8.5 Bijuu meaning there is no time to react. Naruto can't react within a split second to his genjutsu.

I would put this genjutsu to be below KA and Tsukuyomi but it's still an OP gen. These genjutsus along with the IT are all up there and only slightly better than the rest of them.


It's a Bijuu's job to break the user out of the genjutsu. Bee had to use Gyuki to get him out of the Sharingan genjutsu. This genjutsu cannot be released by using the Kai method. Yes Naruto can't break out of a genjutsu because he hasn't shown the ability to without his partner. Naruto is still vulnerable and my point stands. If a finger genjutsu can get Naruto what makes you think he can escape the Rinnegan genjutsu? His level of physical power to break doesn't matter because he can't.

 

[lndra]

We don't know the capabilities of RNG so I don't see how you can say the bold

Not sure what you mean. Not knowing the capabilities is exactly the point - There is a lack of feats to prove that it would work, no doubt powerful. But the Rinnegan's Genjutsu in at least Sasuke's use has been capable of targeting multiple people with just a gaze.

Though the feat itself has nothing to show for when it comes to entering one's mind and targeting beings which are held in the subconscious of a person, and then-some.

So far it's just been a glorified power which has targeted a group of Bijuu whom couldn't escape due to not having any partners to help them out.

 

[ComplexCity]

Not sure what you mean. Not knowing the capabilities is exactly the point - There is a lack of feats to prove that it would work, no doubt powerful. But the Rinnegan's Genjutsu in at least Sasuke's use has been capable of targeting multiple people with just a gaze

Never argued this

Though the feat itself has nothing to show for when it comes to entering one's mind and targeting beings which are held in the subconscious of a person, and then-some

I was commenting on your bold statement, never said Sasuke couldn't do that

So far it's just been a glorified power which has targeted a group of Bijuu whom couldn't escape due to not having any partners to help them out.

What I was commenting on is that someone will be able to snap Naruto out of it if he's caught. We don't know that.


Sigh this is my last post to you

Ok, inserting the panel of Rinnegan genjutsu controlling all 8.5 Bijuu.

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With a glance, there was no escape.

Doesn't counter my latter point. Madara did the same thing on a smaller scale to Kurama so this point is moot

Now IT is the strongest genjutsu known to us but if the Rinnegan genjutsu is known to be this good, it might as well be put out there.

This point is moot, I asked for manga scans and feats suggesting Naruto can't break it not where you think RNG should stand

It's more than enough for what Naruto can handle. With a glance, he got all 8.5 Bijuu meaning there is no time to react. Naruto can't react within a split second to his genjutsu

Naruto has the Bijuu inside him and you still haven't said or posted anything relevant

I would put this genjutsu to be below KA and Tsukuyomi but it's still an OP gen. These genjutsus along with the IT are all up there and only slightly better than the rest of them

Ok and that's your opinion

It's a Bijuu's job to break the user out of the genjutsu. Bee had to use Gyuki to get him out of the Sharingan genjutsu. This genjutsu cannot be released by using the Kai method. Yes Naruto can't break out of a genjutsu because he hasn't shown the ability to without his partner. Naruto is still vulnerable and my point stands. If a finger genjutsu can get Naruto what makes you think he can escape the Rinnegan genjutsu? His level of physical power to break doesn't matter because he can't.

Again Naruto has the Bijuu we don't know the limits or potential of RNG so stop spewing fanfic

 

[lndra]

What I was commenting on is that someone will be able to snap Naruto out of it if he's caught. We don't know that.

Well I mean that's just purely speculation on both sides. You can be opinionated and say that 'we don't know if Naruto can ask for help in that situation', but the same can be said for the idea that Naruto's help would get captured too. Unless the Genjutsu itself targets everything inside the mind and his subconscious.

Then he obviously he has an escape.

 

[ComplexCity]

Well I mean that's just purely speculation on both sides. You can be opinionated and say that 'we don't know if Naruto can ask for help in that situation', but the same can be said for the idea that Naruto's help would get captured too. Unless the Genjutsu itself targets everything inside the mind and his subconscious.

Then he obviously he has an escape.

And I'm not saying he couldn't I'm just challenging those who think it's fact whichever sides says something in regards to being able to break it or not (not saying you said it's fact)

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Except he always fight with eye contact even with SM.

this is not a counter argument...if naruto absolutely needed to fight with eye contact in every single fight then he'd have gotten wrecked by madara's limbo and would not know what the hell to do

 

[Warlocks]

this Genjutsu never used on naruto so no 1 knows every 1 has there on opinion

 

[Styles]

RNG Gen is just below IT?

This is nothing but your assumption. I'm waiting for manga scans. Kurama couldn't break out of 3 Tomoe so I guess by your logic that also means Naruto can't also right?

Uh everyone that controlled kurama had MS fam.

this is not a counter argument...if naruto absolutely needed to fight with eye contact in every single fight then he'd have gotten wrecked by madara's limbo and would not know what the hell to do

Uh Naruto wasn't at all able to see Madara's limbo he could only sense it even then he was looking around for it. Fact is Naruto being able to fighting with his eyes closed is a bad excuse.

 

[MickNerks]

Naruto should be able to break out of both given that he has tailed beast that could disrupt his chakra.

 

[Troyg39]

Jiraiya explained this. With the exception of Sharingan users and those adept enough at genjutsu, you don't break yourself out. Someone has to break you out. That's because your chakra flow has to be disrupted again, something you can't do for yourself while your chakra flow is already under control

Kurama can't break himself out because he can't disrupt his own chakra flow. He can, however, disrupt Naruto's if Naruto were caught, aka jiraiya's explanation on how to break out of genjutsu and why perfect jins are considered immune. In fact, I'm sure you've been told this before

Now IT....that is a different animal. Personally I doubt even a perfect jin can get out of that one

Unless the Genjutsu itself targets everything inside the mind and his subconscious.

Then he obviously he has an escape.

Thus the reason Sasuke's Rinne Genjutsu caught every bijuu except the one inside Naruto

 

[ComplexCity]

Uh everyone that controlled kurama had MS fam.

In what way does this disprove my point? What did Madara and Obito use to control Kurma?

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Uh everyone that controlled kurama had MS fam.


Uh Naruto wasn't at all able to see Madara's limbo he could only sense it even then he was looking around for it. Fact is Naruto being able to fighting with his eyes closed is a bad excuse.

BOY...do you not see how you defeat your own arguments?...if nauto could fight invisible beings from another plane of reality then how the hell would he have problems fighting sasuke uchiha with his eyes closed?...ITS NOT A BAD EXCUSE...ITS A FACT

 

[V h o]

Idk about rinne genjustu but tsukyomi one shots, it actually one shots a lot of people due to how hax the ability is....lol #itachisolos

 

[Edogawa]

There is no such thing called ''Rinnegan: Genjutsu''. It's just a name Naruto Wikipedia made up. There is no official name for it. Sasuke's Rinnegan uses the Sharingan's power too, so you can simply say it's a Sharingan: Genjutsu that Madara used on Kurama.

Naruto can break from the two of them, as Kurama can just disturb his Chakra.