Can Naruto break out of corless CT ?

[KidGamer65]

You can't control someone without having control over their chakra flow, that's undeniable.

What are you even on about? CT doesn't put the person being made the core under any kind of control. They become the center of attraction. Stop adding functions to jutsu that clearly don't have them.

 

[SenseiSama]

According to whom?

According to what the manga has shown us

 

[Tantalus Thief]

One question. Why did Sasuke put the tailed beasts under genjutsu in order to put them in this form of CT? I'll let ya'll answer that.

so they wouldn't try to attack him when he announced his plan and so he could conveniently keep them under his control for later use in his plan. Also to easily move the bijuus around if he needs them.
OP: he could probs do it in avatar form. Human form hell no.

 

[HENI]

if he's in RSM, he can

 

[SenseiSama]

What are you even on about? CT doesn't put the person being made the core under any kind of control. They become the center of attraction. Stop adding functions to jutsu that clearly don't have them.

That doesn't make sense though, the Rinnegan needs some type of way to turn someone into the core.

 

[shelke]

According to what the manga has shown us

Show me the panels. If the manga has done it, then what's the issue? You should have plenty of them on you. I mean, you are making straw man arguments at this point, connecting genjutsu to chakra rods and then to CT. Your argument is all over the place.

 

[Multiply]

And what does that accomplish? Kurama couldn't break out of CT at eight-tails. A weak CT. Nagato could have made it bigger, but he didn't. The rest of them don't even have any hopes. To top it off, the Tailed-beasts themselves are the cores. The pull is stronger this time, just like Nagato's CT was being easily made when all of his power was focused.

But you just said it. They are the core. So the pull doesn't effect them other than the amount of rocks flying at them. In the case of the bijuu there's 9 of them. Naruto would have rocked his jaw if he was trying to focus on controlling the bijuu with 9 different CT's. In the case of Naruto, you can use your imagination on how Naruto pulverizes every rock that could possibly fly at him. So it'll literally just be Sasuke using his chakra to continuously make rocks fly at Naruto while Naruto pulverizes them like it's nothing lmao.

Just admit it, Sasuke has plenty more jutsu that would be more effective at killing Naruto.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

According to whom?



You are the guy who thinks Hinata is a Class A Shinobi. I am shocked you believe that anyone here takes you seriously.

cool no scans thank you.

 

[SenseiSama]

Show me the panels. If the manga has done it, then what's the issue? You should have plenty of them on you. I mean, you are making straw man arguments at this point, connecting genjutsu to chakra rods and then to CT. Your argument is all over the place.

Genjutsu was explained to control nervous system and chakra flow, it's broken through chakra disruption


Chakra rod control over Naruto was broken through Kurama's chakra disruption



The seal that paralyzed Sasuke's movement in Danzo fight, broken through his chakra release




Thos instances have shown me that if a jutsu controls a person's body it can be broken by disrupting chakra flow, implying that they all work the same way as genutsu and therefore share the same weakness as genjutsu.

 

[shelke]

But you just said it. They are the core. So the pull doesn't effect them other than the amount of rocks flying at them. In the case of the bijuu there's 9 of them. Naruto would have rocked his jaw if he was trying to focus on controlling the bijuu with 9 different CT's. In the case of Naruto, you can use your imagination on how Naruto pulverizes every rock that could possibly fly at him. So it'll literally just be Sasuke using his chakra to continuously make rocks fly at Naruto while Naruto pulverizes them like it's nothing lmao.

Just admit it, Sasuke has plenty more jutsu that would be more effective at killing Naruto.

Let's assume you are right: how long?

What? Sasuke doesn't need to use his chakra to make anything. After he turns Naruto into a core, his job is done.

I know?

Genjutsu was explained to control nervous system and chakra flow, it's broken through chakra disruption

Chakra rod control over Naruto was broken through Kurama's chakra disruption

The seal that paralyzed Sasuke's movement in Danzo fight, broken through his chakra release

Every instance has shown us that if a jutsu controls a person's body it can be broken by disrupting chakra flow, implying that they all work the same way as genutsu.

So, how does this logic apply to Naruto being turned into a core?

It wasn't controlled: the rods suppress chakra. They don't control it. They prevent one from kneading chakra. Pointless argument.

It was broken through by drawing out more chakra from the system. That isn't chakra disruption like it is done in Genjutsu. Like excess chakra flow does shit to break Genjutsu. Another strawman.

No, they don't.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Obviously number 2 based on OP's responses, and even if it were number 1 the answer is still no for all the people arguing about it.

Naruto doesn't have the physical power to free himself from the strongest Chibaku Tensei someone of Sasuke's level could possibly make. Can't charge a BD when you can't open your mouth due to the compressed rock being all around you. Can't gather enough momentum for a tail swing strong enough to destroy it either.

If Naruto is not under genjutsu he can still move freely,this rock first needs to reach Naruto, he can shunshin / fly away before rocks starts to surround him which would gave him enough time to prepare counter.

Or creating a shadow clone which will destroy CT from outside

 

[Multiply]

What? Sasuke doesn't need to use his chakra to make anything. After he turns Naruto into a core, his job is done.

Come on Shelke, do better than that.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Naruto is not under genjutsu he can still move freely,this rock first needs to reach Naruto, he can shunshin / fly away before rocks starts to surround him which would gave him enough time to prepare counter.

Or creating a shadow clone which will destroy CT from outside

I'm gonna need you and everyone else using this argument to apply some common sense. :lol

Naruto. Is. The. Core.

Every rock/tree/object from every location above, below and to the sides will be coming at him. No shit the rock has to reach him first, but too bad he's literally standing on a ton of rock. The ground. Meaning there is no running from it.What's even funnier is that there is no counter he can prepare that'll stop the rocks from coming at him so idk what you thought you had with this one.

A shadow clone? :lol Naruto is the core, everything is pulled towards him including his clones, especially since clones are made within a foot of the user. Bijuu Dama is useless. Physical attacks are useless. Roars are definitely useless.


The only way Naruto counters this tech is by not being made into the core in the first place.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

I'm gonna need you and everyone else using this argument to apply some common sense. :lol

Naruto. Is. The. Core.

Every rock/tree/object from every location above, below and to the sides will be coming at him. No shit the rock has to reach him first, but too bad he's literally standing on a ton of rock. The ground. Meaning there is no running from it.What's even funnier is that there is no counter he can prepare that'll stop the rocks from coming at him so idk what you thought you had with this one.

A shadow clone? :lol Naruto is the core, everything is pulled towards him including his clones, especially since clones are made within a foot of the user. Bijuu Dama is useless. Physical attacks are useless. Roars are definitely useless.


The only way Naruto counters this tech is by not being made into the core in the first place.

As far as I know TSB apart from ability to negate Ninjutsu still can erase things like Onoki Jinton as said by Hiruzen and shown with Obito couple times. I dont see problem with TSB erasing trees, rocks .

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

What in the world is up with these illogical people ITT. Genjutsu is not a requirement for his CT, where do people get these fanfictions from, thin air? I can't believe some people don't understand the basic concept of someone being the core; which means all things will be attracted to him, period. Case closed. There's nothing to argue here. Fanboys need to stop reaching, cause it obviously makes them look really stupid.

 

[KidGamer65]

As far as I know TSB apart from ability to negate Ninjutsu still can erase things like Onoki Jinton as said by Hiruzen and shown with Obito couple times. I dont see problem with TSB erasing trees, rocks .

Meaning Naruto has to hit every piece of rock w/ his Gudo Dama. Obviously not possible.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Meaning Naruto has to hit every piece of rock w/ his Gudo Dama. Obviously not possible.

or just create shield that would prevent incoming stuffs to reach him

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[KidGamer65]

or just create shield that would prevent incoming stuffs to reach him

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You need to put enough force behind the Gudo Dama for it to actually disintegrate everything, which is why Tobirama was capable of touching one w/o his hand being turned to dust. The rocks hitting the shield won't produce the necessary amount of force.

 

[shelke]

Come on Shelke, do better than that.

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All of these scans show the exact same thing: once the hands are clapped to create CT and rocks start moving, the user no longer controls anything. Madara's, Pein's, and Nagato's hands are down whilst the core is doing the work.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

You need to put enough force behind the Gudo Dama for it to actually disintegrate everything, which is why Tobirama was capable of touching one w/o his hand being turned to dust. The rocks hitting the shield won't produce the necessary amount of force.

I think that ability depend on user actually using it at specific moment.Way how I see it user can chose will TSB explode , use yin -yang to nullify ninjutsu ,change their shape or use it to erase things.

For example Sasuke could touch Naruto gudoudama because Naruto didn´t use their ability to erase , same with Tobirama catching it, Obito focus was on TSB exploding not erasing things.Not sure its unclear.

BTW what you think can Sasuke use coreless CT without putting victim inside genjutsu first in order for their chakra to act as core ?