Raikage reacted only when the flame was right in front of him.
Yes your eye's focus can. Your eye has no regard for objects. Only your brain does. The eye only knows focus in, focus out. Amaterasu is a jutsu of the eye. It forms a point from which black flames emanate, according to the direction of the gaze, and at the distance that the eye is focusing. After the inital spawning of these black flames it proceeds to move forward and stick to something - this contradicts nothing in the manga, even if it doesn't seem right to you.
I'm sorry, but I have to link this one more time. This page alone is an adequate explanation of how amaterasu works.
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We have at the top, an example of amaterasu acting as a projectile. Completely fine. This is what it does when it spawns without attaching to an object/attachable medium.
In the middle-left and bottom-right panels we see amaterasu's black flames emanating from Itachi's focal point, then (2 pages along) proceeding to move as projectile flames into forest below.
I want you to especially stare at the bottom right panel. What you're looking at is Itachi's focal point/the point at which amaterasu's flames expand. It is moving in synch with Itachi's eye focus and direction.
If you refuse to acknowledge this you're denying clear, self explanatory manga panels.
Just think of the damn eye and flame as a spray paint bottle for all I care. I don't know how to make you understand there's no such thing in Naruto. Final time presenting you with manga fact.
Bee blocked it - You can't block things that are manifested on you A dodged it - You can't dodge things manifest on you. (Sasuske's eyes did not stop short of Raikage) Sasuke dodged it - You can't block things that are manifested on you(Things can't be manifested on nothing. Otherwise sasuke can create a floating ameterasu house) Things can't manifest on nothing - Your main argument...?
Just think of the damn eye and flame as a spray paint bottle for all I care. I don't know how to make you understand there's no such thing in Naruto. Final time presenting you with manga fact.
Bee blocked it - You can't block things that are manifested on you A dodged it - You can't dodge things manifest on you. (Sasuske's eyes did not stop short of Raikage) Sasuke dodged it - You can't block things that are manifested on you(Things can't be manifested on nothing. Otherwise sasuke can create a floating ameterasu house) Things can't manifest on nothing - Your main argument...?
Bee anticipated and raised his right arm in front of his face before amaterasu manifested in sasuke's line of sight. The subsequent amaterasu expanded uniformly from a central point on the tentacle.
A dodged amaterasu after sasuke used amaterasu with a blurred eye. It appeared in front of raikage, raikage reacted and moved accordingly, before amaterasu hit him(now moving as a projectile because it hadn't attached to anything).
Sasuke clearly moved away from Itachi's focal point. It never manifested on sasuke, because he avoided amaterasu's point of origin: the focal point.
Sasuke could make a floating amaterasu house, but only by using enton(other eye). Otherwise the amaterasu flies off if it hasn't stuck to something.
Itachi clearly followed sasuke with a small circular point of black flame and wasn't using enton. It clearly shows a single point with a trail of expanding flame behind it. Exactly what you'd expect form an ability that manifests and begins to expand at the point of focus and then moves as a projectile if it doesn't stick.
Give me an actual reason why something can't manifest on "nothing". I've clearly shown you, using a clear example of Itachi's focal point following sasuke, that amaterasu can very much spawn on "nothing" I.e Itachi's focal point.
Very easy to understand. But I know what the problem is, you refuse to to understand. Maybe you're a fanboy that doesn't want his favourite character to lose to sasuke, I don't know. But you're denying clear manga facts. And when I say "clear manga facts" I mean a self explanatory page:
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See the bottom right and middle left panels? That spot is where the black flame is coming from. Very easy to understand.
Just think of the damn eye and flame as a spray paint bottle for all I care
If it came out of the eye like a spray can, why would it go from big to small as it flies toward the target? That's the exact inverse of what you'd expect. It's a fail analogy and the manga page above contradicts it immediately.
Also, why do we see no flame coming out of Itachi's eye? He's just standing there staring in the same way that kakashi does when he uses kamui.
So you're disregarding manga proof from UltimateDeadpool? He provided perfect examples of how you can tell if it's a projectile. Hachibi literally blocked ameterasu! At that statement, you lose your whole argument! You can't block something that isn't even traveling! Sasuke can't make ameterasu appear in random space, otherwise what's to stop a fan boy from saying his ameterasu goes through multiple dimensions? You have no argument against Hachibi blocking ameterasu.
Then there's the fact that Itachi was following sasuke with it. We're going to go with the same impossible logic that says things can appear in midair without teleportation. If you think about it, how many things do that? Let's count:
1.Hm... Nothing...!
Now, I want you to be a test subject for me. Try to aim your eye at random space,without any solid or liquid behind it(Gases won't matter, they're physically invisible). Go on, try. Right now you're realizing it's not possible to aim at something that isn't there.
The best logic I've seen from this counter-argument is, it spawns in random space, then turns into a projectile.
Which manga proof? The statement is Manga proof NOT interpretations. Keep on arguing. In fact, you have NO argument. Lol indeed. It's funny seeing these desperate responses. All the images have been explained and in no way refute manga logic. A projectile has an origin. Learn Physics, for a change.
Your focus can't be short. You can focus on something that's closer than another, but your eye can't focus on nothing. If you stare at a wall, your eye isn't focused on that gas in front of the wall. It's focused on the wall. Whether blurry or not.
AHA I know what the issue is. You think amaterasu involves 2 eyes. It only involves 1 eye. Go close one of your eyes and see how easy it is to go out of focus compared to using both eyes. Look at the edge of your monitor then move your vision to the side while retaining the original length of focus. You're looking in the direction of the wall (or whatever is behind the screen), but your eye isn't focussed for the distance of the wall. It's short of it. Simple concept.
AHA I know what the issue is. You think amaterasu involves 2 eyes. It only involves 1 eye. Go close one of your eyes and see how easy it is to go out of focus compared to using both eyes. Look at the edge of your monitor then move your vision to the side while retaining the original length of focus. You're looking in the direction of the wall (or whatever is behind the screen), but your eye isn't focussed for the distance of the wall. It's short of it. Simple concept.
So you're saying, you can focus on nothing. This is a scientific breakthrough. Please go sell your eyes to be studied in a lab. Such a thing is not physically possible. Your eyes are not focused on nothing, they're focused on the edge of the monitor, which happens to be in the same area as nothing. While it seems you are looking at nothing, your brain interprets that as either staring at the wall, or the monitor. It then chooses a focus which will enable you to see them with the highest quality. Hence, when lights come on, your eyes get smaller. It doesn't need to focus as much. When lights go out, your eyes get bigger. It needs to focus much more to see objects. If you don't understand that, then you will never understand how ameterasu works. Simple concept.
Hopefully this clears up your misunderstanding on the human eye.
When Sasuke's eye dilates to shoot the ameterasu, he focuses much more on the target. So your logic of, he was dizzy and his eyesight wasn't that great is out the window. When your muscles are working at their maximum, and you're staring at something, your eyesight increases. I have horrible vision and I don't wear glasses. I can't even see my school's boards when I'm like 3 seats away. Yet when I strain my eye, I can see. It's different if sasuke just sits there and goes, ameterasu... But this dude strains his eye until it's hanging out his head. That argument might work with Itachi, but not Sasuke by a longshot. *_*
AHA I know what the issue is. You think amaterasu involves 2 eyes. It only involves 1 eye. Go close one of your eyes and see how easy it is to go out of focus compared to using both eyes.
This right here proves everything I just said. Focusing your eye is simply adjusting your eyes to get a better quality visual. Thanks for proving, yet another, manga fact for me.
So you're saying, you can focus on nothing. This is a scientific breakthrough. Please go sell your eyes to be studied in a lab. Such a thing is not physically possible. Your eyes are not focused on nothing, they're focused on the edge of the monitor, which happens to be in the same area as nothing. While it seems you are looking at nothing, your brain interprets that as either staring at the wall, or the monitor. It then chooses a focus which will enable you to see them with the highest quality. Hence, when lights come on, your eyes get smaller. It doesn't need to focus as much. When lights go out, your eyes get bigger. It needs to focus much more to see objects. If you don't understand that, then you will never understand how ameterasu works. Simple concept.
Hopefully this clears up your misunderstanding on the human eye.
When Sasuke's eye dilates to shoot the ameterasu, he focuses much more on the target. So your logic of, he was dizzy and his eyesight wasn't that great is out the window. When your muscles are working at their maximum, and you're staring at something, your eyesight increases. I have horrible vision and I don't wear glasses. I can't even see my school's boards when I'm like 3 seats away. Yet when I strain my eye, I can see. It's different if sasuke just sits there and goes, ameterasu... But this dude strains his eye until it's hanging out his head. That argument might work with Itachi, but not Sasuke by a longshot. *_*
This right here proves everything I just said. Focusing your eye is simply adjusting your eyes to get a better quality visual. Thanks for proving, yet another, manga fact for me.
It's a jutsu of the eye, not the brain. It doesn't matter what he thinks he's looking at, it appears where the eye is focused. Even if he tries really hard to focus, if it's still even somewhat blurry, it's going to appear short of the intended destination. And we're not talking about a normal eye focusing, we're talking about a Mangekyou eye that is all f*cked up and in extreme agony when being used. There's freaken blood coming out of it when he uses it. Focusing properly is not an easy feat.
You're a freaken dumbass if you think otherwise. You lose.
It's a jutsu of the eye, not the brain. It doesn't matter what he thinks he's looking at, it appears where the eye is focused. Even if he tries really hard to focus, if it's still even somewhat blurry, it's going to appear short of the intended destination. And we're not talking about a normal eye focusing, we're talking about a Mangekyou eye that is all f*cked up and in extreme agony when being used. There's freaken blood coming out of it when he uses it. Focusing properly is not an easy feat.
You're a freaken dumbass if you think otherwise. You lose.
You know you've lost your argument when you start insulting me. The brain sees what the eye sees. So it does matter what the brain thinks. Your eye can't focus without the brain telling it to. The eye takes in info, sends it to the brain, the brain then calculates depth, and distance, then sends said info to the muscles in your eye.They then either contract or expand.
The blood coming out his eye is nothing more than to show the amount of power is used to strain his eye. That is why the MS goes blind. The amount of strain put on the eye, destroys the muscles, as normal eyes wouldn't strain that much in a single lifetime.
Don't get so mad and learn to read manga. /Case Closed.
You know you've lost your argument when you start insulting me. The brain sees what the eye sees. So it does matter what the brain thinks. Your eye can't focus without the brain telling it to. The eye takes in info, sends it to the brain, the brain then calculates depth, and distance, then sends said info to the muscles in your eye.They then either contract or expand.
OMG...You...don't...get...it.
Yes the brain sees what the eye sees. Yes the brain controls the eye (or attempts to control - in the case of a malfunctioning eye). You are completely misinterpreting/misconstruing what my point is.
Amaterasu doesn't utilize the brain's idea of what it's looking at as its target.
It utilizes simply the eye's direction and distance. The brain just gives out the command. The eye carries out the jutsu...
I'll repeat that:
The brain just gives out the command. The EYE carries out the jutsu
The blood coming out his eye is nothing more than to show the amount of power is used to strain his eye. That is why the MS goes blind. The amount of strain put on the eye, destroys the muscles, as normal eyes wouldn't strain that much in a single lifetime.
Thank you for proving my point. The muscles are gradually destroyed by using amaterasu.
Therefore - the eye has an inability to focus properly. The brain can send out commands until it's blue in the face.. If the muscles of the eye are f*cked, you will have a near impossible time focusing properly.
You learn to read; none of my points go against the manga.
I'm not mad, I'm actually just tired of your inability to examine an argument properly.
I never actually insulted you, I said you're a dumbass if you think otherwise, with regard to the point of MS messing up a user's eye. You actually agreed, which means you're not a dumbass. There's still hope for you..
And you're grasping at straws if you think someone insulting you makes you automatically win the argument. All throughout this debate I've supplied various well reasoned proofs for my Amaterasu model, most notably the clear proof of Itachi's focal point chasing after Sasuke. I've never had a rebuttal from anyone on that point in any of my arguments.
BTW, you lose again. And...now the case is truly closed.
OMG...You...don't...get...it.
Yes the brain sees what the eye sees. Yes the brain controls the eye (or attempts to control - in the case of a malfunctioning eye). You are completely misinterpreting/misconstruing what my point is.
Amaterasu doesn't utilize the brain's idea of what it's looking at as its target.
It utilizes simply the eye's direction and distance. The brain just gives out the command. The eye carries out the jutsu...
I'll repeat that:
The brain just gives out the command. The EYE carries out the jutsu
Thank you for proving my point. The muscles are gradually destroyed by using amaterasu.
Therefore - the eye has an inability to focus properly. The brain can send out commands until it's blue in the face.. If the muscles of the eye are f*cked, you will have a near impossible time focusing properly.
You learn to read; none of my points go against the manga.
I'm not mad, I'm actually just tired of your inability to examine an argument properly.
I never actually insulted you, I said you're a dumbass if you think otherwise, with regard to the point of MS messing up a user's eye. You actually agreed, which means you're not a dumbass. There's still hope for you..
And you're grasping at straws if you think someone insulting you makes you automatically win the argument. All throughout this debate I've supplied various well reasoned proofs for my Amaterasu model, most notably the clear proof of Itachi's focal point chasing after Sasuke. I've never had a rebuttal from anyone on that point in any of my arguments.
BTW, you lose again. And...now the case is truly closed.
Amaterasu doesn't utilize the brain's idea of what it's looking at as its target.
It utilizes simply the eye's direction and distance. The brain just gives out the command. The eye carries out the jutsu...
That is implied in my post. Obviously the eye sees it, but the eye can see it all it wants, the brain still has to determine what it is, how far, and where it is. Then and only then can ameterasu be fired, from the eye. So there's no more misconceptions that you keep saying I'm making(That I'm clearly not, you lack the mental ability to understand text apparently).
Thank you for proving my point. The muscles are gradually destroyed by using amaterasu.
Therefore - the eye has an inability to focus properly. The brain can send out commands until it's blue in the face.. If the muscles of the eye are f*cked, you will have a near impossible time focusing properly.
Which is why the eye strains! It's like talking to a brick wall whilst talking to you and Shelke. When your eyes strains it's attempting to focus even more than it was when not straining. Hardcore straining is when the bleeding occurs. Though, when straining his eyesight becomes better than when not straining. Even though his eyesight is getting gradually worse in the long run, when he strains his eye, the eyesight is improved for that time while it's being strained. Those are just simple concepts.
That is implied in my post. Obviously the eye sees it, but the eye can see it all it wants, the brain still has to determine what it is, how far, and where it is. Then and only then can ameterasu be fired, from the eye. So there's no more misconceptions that you keep saying I'm making(That I'm clearly not, you lack the mental ability to understand text apparently).
Which is why the eye strains! It's like talking to a brick wall whilst talking to you and Shelke. When your eyes strains it's attempting to focus even more than it was when not straining. Hardcore straining is when the bleeding occurs. Though, when straining his eyesight becomes better than when not straining. Even though his eyesight is getting gradually worse in the long run, when he strains his eye, the eyesight is improved for that time while it's being strained. Those are just simple concepts.
1. MS user activates amaterasu. The eye immediately gets covered in veins, not from focusing alone, (he can strain to focus anytime he wants) but from the activation of the technique. The activation and usage of the technique is what harms the eye. When sasuke's eye first used amaterasu against Tobi it immediately bled and Sasuke grabbed his eye in pain - (
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Black flames immediately apeared on Tobi - (
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2. The MS user uses his eye, and his eye alone, to spawn fire at the eye's current focal point. The MS eye, in a state of amaterasu activation, is a tool which the MS user activates when he wants fire to spawn. We have a clear example of this with Itachi chasing Sasuke with his focal point - The point from which fire evidently spawns and subsequently expands (
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Because the eye is the tool executing the technique, it simply spawns black flames at x, y, z co-ords, which correspond relative to the eye's current structural level of focus and the direction it's pointing.
3. Using the MS takes a toll on the user's eye muscles (remember Sasuke previously used it on Bee & Tobi - so there is previous damage to it). Therefore, a user may attempt, especially in the heat of battle, to activate Amaterasu on a target but find his eye's focal point is really stopping short of it - despite all agonizing attempts to make it focus.
1. MS user activates amaterasu. The eye immediately gets covered in veins, not from focusing alone, (he can strain to focus anytime he wants) but from the activation of the technique. The activation and usage of the technique is what harms the eye. When sasuke's eye first used amaterasu against Tobi it immediately bled and Sasuke grabbed his eye in pain - (
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2. The MS user uses his eye, and his eye alone, to spawn fire at the eye's current focal point. The MS eye, in a state of amaterasu activation, is a tool which the MS user activates when he wants fire to spawn. We have a clear example of this with Itachi chasing Sasuke with his focal point - The point from which fire evidently spawns and subsequently expands (
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Because the eye is the tool executing the technique, it simply spawns black flames at x, y, z co-ords, which correspond relative to the eye's current structural level of focus and the direction it's pointing.
3. Using the MS takes a toll on the user's eye muscles (remember Sasuke previously used it on Bee & Tobi - so there is previous damage to it). Therefore, a user may attempt, especially in the heat of battle, to activate Amaterasu on a target but find his eye's focal point is really stopping short of it - despite all agonizing attempts to make it focus.
Oh lord, I'm not going to even reply to this with a formal argument. I've presented manga fact. I've presented logic. You simply don't listen. You take my implications and rewrite them and state that I don't understand this. I'm done debating this. I'm going to call this a draw so you don't keep replying. You can consider this a win if you honestly want to. You've bored me to death with your reiteration of my facts twisted around.
Oh lord, I'm not going to even reply to this with a formal argument. I've presented manga fact. I've presented logic. You simply don't listen. You take my implications and rewrite them and state that I don't understand this. I'm done debating this. I'm going to call this a draw so you don't keep replying. You can consider this a win if you honestly want to. You've bored me to death with your reiteration of my facts twisted around.
Actually, it proves you wrong, if anything. The point of focus doesn't have anything to do with any feature. It's just a point in space. That point was occupied by the tentacle and it was engulfed instead. You have three other examples proving this. If you believe that point of focus is linked to a feature, then you are interpreting this whole thing wrong. If I mark a paper with a point and put my finger on it and then replace it with a pen, what difference would it make? Has the point changed? No. Only the object is replaced.
There is not a single scan in the entire manga where Amaterasu is shown as a projectile, spurting from the eye. Not a SINGLE scan. This alone is a solid ground for complete disproof.
Focus has everything to do with it, the argument that I'm countering is that Amaterasu instantly ignites where the user is looking. I.E. If you're looking at that dot on that piece of paper then it's going to combust, that's the argument some people are making.
However, let's say that there is a table under the piece of paper. My first argument is that if you move the paper with the dot on it then Amaterasu should simply ignite the table since the focal point changed, a fireball should not be shot at the table simply because the paper with the dot was removed.
My second argument is that, if Amaterasu will ignite the dot on the piece of paper, then it should be impossible to move the piece of paper out of the way. You can't avoid something that's instant.
Thirdly, if you put your finger in front of the dot, Amaterasu shouldn't just turn into a fireball because it's focal point was blocked off... the finger is the new focal point, so it should combust. Alternatively, if Amaterasu was used before you covered the dot with your finger, then the dot should still combust regardless of the placement of your finger.
Except when Itachi used it against Sasuke, or when Sasuke used it against Ei.
I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong. Every single instance of amaterasu being used shows it emanating at a point, then proceeding to act as a projectile if it hasn't hit a target.
As C said: "Amaterasu ignites what he's looking at!"
Regarding Gyuuki:
Look at the 3rd and 4th panels carefully. The 3rd panel shows Gyuuki's left shoulder/chest bare. But the 4th panel shos Gyuuki raising his tentacle before the amaterasu appears. Completely congruent with an instantly spawning amaterasu.
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Now look at the next panel, the amaterasu is clearly emanating uniformly from a central point at which sasuke's focus was when amaterasu was cast - Bee's tentacle):
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No trail, no evidence of it having any kind of momentum or impact. Just sudden expansion from the point of Sasuke's focus.
Are you seriously contesting the fact that Itachi's vision was screwed up? Seriously? I shouldn't have to labor the point. If you think Itachi's eyesight was fine, look...at...the panel again...right at the bottom, in the middle.
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What's amazing is that Itachi could perform despite his crippling disadvantage in eyesight.
Sasuke didn't dodge them, he was just running outside of Itachi's focal point. You can see that Sasuke began moving before Itachi cast Amaterasu. He anticipated something (probably the pressure that Nagato spoke of) and began moving proactively. Look at this panel:
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Remember also that Itachi wasn't fighting with the intention to kil Sasuke. He wanted to weaken Sasuke to the point of causing Orochimaru to escape, and also provide a deadly barrier that would prevent Orochimaru from escaping once he made his appearance.
As I said, it appears at the focal point then acts as a projectile if it hasn't hit a target. Examination of all evidence in the manga points to this conclusion.
If Hashirama ever got into a situation where Sasuke activated Amaterasu on his body there's no dodging it. But the 'God of Shinobi' should be able to deal with it with some kind of PNJ.
The tentacle shouldn't able to block being spontaneously combusted. Sasuke used Amaterasu and Gyuuki block it, that shows it's not instant.
Are you saying that Itachi shouldn't had been able to hit Sasuke's shurikens with his shurikens because he couldn't see them?
You're making things up about focal point ranges. Your argument is that Amaterasu appears where the user is looking, which means Itachi just had to look at Sasuke and he'd be engulfed. Your argument is that Amaterasu is not a fireball, yet it was a fireball that was chasing Sasuke. Shouldn't Itachi had just been following Sasuke with his eye until he had a shot with Amaterasu? If Itachi wasn't able to focus on Sasuke, how was Itachi able to use Amaterasu?
For not wanting to kill Sasuke, he sure did a fine job making Amaterasu miss... err, wait. lol.
As you said, you're making up your own rules for Amaterasu that aren't elaborated upon in the manga. The examination of all the evidence shows serious holes in your theory, especially Ei. It was a fireball that he jumped out of the way of which slammed into the samurai, and he was NOT outside of any hypothetical focal ranges. Ei also wasn't instnatly ignited and then just jumped off of it, and it didn't just transform into a fireball and gain momentum. Do you know how preposterous that sounds? If I set your shirt on fire, can you to avoid it? No, your shirt is already on fire.
So Sasuke and Naruto are NOT equals because Sasuke can just incinerate Naruto by looking at him? That contradicts the manga.
Focus has everything to do with it, the argument that I'm countering is that Amaterasu instantly ignites where the user is looking. I.E. If you're looking at that dot on that piece of paper then it's going to combust, that's the argument some people are making.
Yes, that's how amaterasu works. The black fire manifests at the focal point.
However, let's say that there is a table under the piece of paper. My first argument is that if you move the paper with the dot on it then Amaterasu should simply ignite the table since the focal point changed, a fireball should not be shot at the table simply because the paper with the dot was removed.
The spawn point would re-adjust accordingly, to wherever his focal point is located, at the time of spawning the black fire. If the user's eyesight happens to be messed up, it'll appear wherever the eye's focus is located at that point in time. It spawns in the direction and focus of the eye. This of it as like x, y, z coo-ords in space.
If the user doesn't have direct focus on the dot (because he has eye problems) the fire will spawn short of the paper. It will then move in the direction of the gaze, as it was, when the black fire was spawned i.e. it spawns with momentum in the direction of the eye's focus at that instant in time. I don't know how it works, maybe it teleports fire from some firey dimension or something - (as opposed to Kakashi's Kamui teleporting the focal point to another dimension). I mean, Obito can spawn shirukens from a point (which happens, in his case, to be his eye) with pre-puilt momentum, why can't amaterasu? It's simply a combination of focal point spawning, and having momentum once spawned from its point of origin.
My second argument is that, if Amaterasu will ignite the dot on the piece of paper, then it should be impossible to move the piece of paper out of the way. You can't avoid something that's instant.
Yep, if you have an exact focus(precise, clear focus on the target), and the target doesn't take proactive measures to avoid your focus before you spawn the black fire, it will spawn directly on the target, just like Kakashi's teleportation point appears directly on the target when using Kamui, and when continuing to use it, corresponds directly with his eye's gaze and focus.
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of the direction and focus moving around, and in and out of the Kamui teleportation point.
Thirdly, if you put your finger in front of the dot, Amaterasu shouldn't just turn into a fireball because it's focal point was blocked off... the finger is the new focal point, so it should combust. Alternatively, if Amaterasu was used before you covered the dot with your finger, then the dot should still combust regardless of the placement of your finger.
Completely correct. If the eye re-adjusts to the finger before the black flames are spawned, the finger will be the new target.
This is what happened with Bee. Bee placed his 'finger' in front of the 'dot' before Sasuke actually spawned it.
The tentacle shouldn't able to block being spontaneously combusted. Sasuke used Amaterasu and Gyuuki block it, that shows it's not instant.
When sasuke said "amaterasu!", that was just signifying the activation of the technique in his eye i.e. getting it prepared to start spawning black flames. Look at the
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; there's no sign of black flames spawning at all while Bee raises his arm. It's simply signifying Sasuke's focus drawing in (remember the parallel with Kamui).
Are you saying that Itachi shouldn't had been able to hit Sasuke's shurikens with his shurikens because he couldn't see them?
I'm not saying that all; Itachi was amazing in that he was able to block them, despite his impediment. It's a testament to his shuriken mastery. Itachi certainly did have bad eye sight - the evidence is right
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, staring you in the face. Itachi also got hit by that blade in the leg. This is evidence he couldn't see fine details (the wire attached to the shurikens).
You're making things up about focal point ranges. Your argument is that Amaterasu appears where the user is looking, which means Itachi just had to look at Sasuke and he'd be engulfed.
Yup, he had to focus in on Sasuke while his eye was bleeding and under extreme tension, as well as having prior eye damage from previous MS usage throughout his life.
Your argument is that Amaterasu is not a fireball, yet it was a fireball that was chasing Sasuke. Shouldn't Itachi had just been following Sasuke with his eye until he had a shot with Amaterasu? If Itachi wasn't able to focus on Sasuke, how was Itachi able to use Amaterasu?
It wasn't a fireball. Look at the middle left and bottom right panels again:
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It's a point from which fire is spawning, and trailing behind as it expands. It looks nothing like the fireballs in the panel at the top left. They are much more uniform in shape, their flame trails also get smaller as they move. On the other hand, the point was moving and spawning dense, expanding flame in its wake. This flame then flew off into the trees below - (
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For not wanting to kill Sasuke, he sure did a fine job making Amaterasu miss... err, wait. lol.
Itachi focused his eye on the flames and got rid of them. He can both spawn and dry flames up at his focal point. He was setting the area on fire to prevent Orochimaru from escaping.
As you said, you're making up your own rules for Amaterasu that aren't elaborated upon in the manga.
All I've done is look at the manga panels and found the most rational explanation. Especially in light of a complete lack of fire coming out the eye, its obvious parallels with kamui, and a consistent pattern of Kishi showing the eye close up, then showing the fire appear.
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The examination of all the evidence shows serious holes in your theory, especially Ei. It was a fireball that he jumped out of the way of which slammed into the samurai, and he was NOT outside of any hypothetical focal ranges.
Yes it was a fireball, which spawned at Sasuke's focal point (
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Ei also wasn't instnatly ignited and then just jumped off of it, and it didn't just transform into a fireball and gain momentum. Do you know how preposterous that sounds? If I set your shirt on fire, can you to avoid it? No, your shirt is already on fire.
Correct, Bee's tentacle was instantly set ablaze - the fire expanded from his tentacle as Sasuke kept intensely focused on him. As Sasuke's gaze remained, the blaze got bigger and bigger and bigger, expanding from its point of origin. Remember, this was before Sasuke's eyesight started to really deteriorate.
So Sasuke and Naruto are NOT equals because Sasuke can just incinerate Naruto by looking at him? That contradicts the manga.
I don't care, I'm just following what the manga shows...I'm neither a Naruto nor a Sasuke fanboy. And they aren't going to be fighting anytime soon. Naruto will probably get some plot no jutsu, or be just faster than Sasuke's focus speed. Bijuu arms might be able to block the flames and then he can dispose of them to the wayside, who knows.
Also, Naruto said that they'd both die if they were to fight (at least during that time). That's probably true. Naruto's sage mode strength/speed/intuition would likely pulverize MS Sasuke, but if Sasuke could get a flame on his body in the process, Naruto would end up dying in the end too.
He can probably avoid amaterasu's focal/spawn point, just as he can probably avoid kamui's focal/spawn point.
FTG is fast as f***, Minato can probably sense some sh*t is going on (from the focus drawing in) and get out of there before Sasuke/Itachi spawn the flames.
(Check Sasuke avoiding Itachi's amaterasu spawn point in sig below)
