Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

[UchihaKira]

Don't you have to make a kage bunshin for the academy exam? lol if not even genin K11 can do it Im sure Minato can

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Another great day and a good day to ask all NB users for their opinion. For some time now, there are others who believes that Minato can't do Kage Bunshin. While I personally believe he can due to some hints given by Kishi, other's do not. So, I would like everyone's opinion about this.

Elaborate please. What hints are these?

First of, we can't say that a person can't do this because we haven't seen him do when there is an evidence that can back it up and make us conclude that he can. Let's talk about the other powerful nins that did not demonstrate their ability but we know they can because of the hints given by the manga

The thing is, we actually CAN say a character cannot do a technique that we haven't seen them do. The way I am reading this so far, it seems that you think that the Shadow Clone jutsu is known by anybody of a high enough rank, when it reality, it is a B-rank jutsu meant for Jonin. In a fantasy world, it is important to put limitations on what certain characters can do, otherwise they just become Gods. Take DBZ for instance, Goku could take a planet out easily, but so could all the villains at the point in time he fought them such as Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Majin Buu etc. It put all of them on an even plane. If Goku could become a Super Saiyan, but Majin Buu was only as strong as... Piccolo when he fought Raditz, it would not be a fair matchup. Giving characters too many abilities without doing the same to their opponents upsets the balance of the manga. The bad guys are supposed to be stronger due to the fact that it gives the main character challenge. Imagine four Minato's all using FTG. Who could really get past that?

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On top of that, to do it on THIS level

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Is an even HIGHER feat.

1. Hashirama: We haven't seen him using the wood techniques that Madara was diplaying but we know that it was the original tech from the 1st because wood techniques can only be performed by him that's why Madara stole that ability.

We know Hashirama could use it because Madara basically STATED that Hashirama used it against him and saw through the technique with his Sharingan.

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Question: Even if we know that the techniques Madara showed us comes from the 1st but we did not see the 1st doing it, can we say that he cannot do it because we haven't seen him doing it? Or we can just use our common sense that he can do it because it was hinted that the technique Madara uses comes from the 1st? Which is which? Eyes or brain?

This is fair. No arguments here, but we do not know how long Madara had Wood Release before he died. He stated he "wanted to try it out" after he died, but that could have been with the augmentation Kabuto gave him. It's really unclear. If he had a lesser Wood Release than Hashirama like Yamato, he could have just simply experimented around with a weaker Mokuton. Is it FAIR to assume Madara could use Wood Clones because Hashirama could? Yes. I assumed it too. But we can't use it in an argument because we don't know it for a fact. Nor do any of us know Kishimoto on a personal level (and even if we did, it wouldn't matter) to know what outline he has for his characters powers.

2. Hiruzen: It was said that he know all Konoha techniques thus given the name professor but we haven't seen him perfoming those techs. He showed us only few.

Question: Even if it was said on the manga that he knows all Konoha techniques, can we say that he can ONLY do those techniques he showed us so far? If we'll count it, it won't reach 10. Do we believe in what we see or we can use the hint given by the manga that he knows a hundred or thousands of jutsu? Again eyes or brain?

This is tricky because it has different translations. Orochimaru said he "knew" all techniques, but all said he could use them. Only problem with this is that it creates a loophole as Kekkai Genkai and Clan techniques like Kagemane jutsu that are kept secret would also be involved. The Byakugan is still in Konoha, yet Hiruzen cannot use Juuken. That could have just been a mistake on Kishimoto's part. There are also times where jutsu such as Flying Thunder God or Chidori would have been beneficial to Hiruzen in his fight against Orochimaru but he did not use them, signifying that he did not know how.

3. Kakashi: It was said that because of the sharingan, Kakashi was able to copy a thousand jutsu thus giving him the nickname copy ninja. We have not seen him doing a 1000 jutsu so can we say that he can't perform it because we have not seen it? or do we take into consideration what the manga told us. Eyes or Brain?

I see where you are going here, the only problem is that the manga has given evidence to the fact that he can use 1,000 jutsu. Unless anything is stated or shown, you cannot just ASSUME it could be done.

It was mentioned by Hiruzen that the scroll was forbidden by the previous Hokage.

If my memory serves me well, at this point of time, Hiruzen was the Hokage and he took this position back after Minato died which we all know was the Hokage before Hiruzen took the position back. So, since this is part 1 and Hiruzen was the Hokage for the 2nd time, who was the previous Hokage he's referring to?

Don't anybody think that a Hokage has the position to know what was written in the scroll? If they have this oppurtunity, do you think that they don't find time reading what was written on it?

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Kage Bunshin is not a special tech, bloodline or a clans technique that is only limited to a few person or a selected one. It's a B rank tech which anybody can learn. From what the manga hinted us so far, I would like to know everyone's opinion by voting on the poll. Is Minato capable of doing Kage Bunshin?

Thanks for reading!:ice:

He may have decided that as Hokage, yes he has the right to read the scroll. However, if he deemed it a technique SUITABLE for him is another manner.

You fight according to your fighting style. Since Kage Bunshin takes a large amount of chakra, it's suitable for Naruto. Not everyone has chakra to waste, especially on a Bunshin that disappears into smoke after one hit. If rank of technique were the case, Naruto should be able to perform any Katon jutsu since he can perform S-Rank wind Jutsu. Just because Kage Bunshin is, "only b-rank" doesn't mean Minato knew how to use it.

If Minato is going to use chakra taxing techniques, he better spend his time learning ones that benefit his fighting style. Minato need not worry about using Bunshin jutsu. Most Bunshins are used to get out of a tight situation/create a 2 on 1 scenario. The only problem is, who can actually corner Minato? He can catch his opponents off guard more easily with his speed and teleportation jutsu which DOESN'T require handseals.

 

[Ariow]

Most high level ninja have been shown using this jutsu and even some lower level ones, sooner or later it seems all ninja are capable of using different types of physical clones. I have no trouble believing Minato was also able to use shadow clones. Since he was never shown using this jutsu in any of his battles so far it was likely not one of his best techniques, of course with his incredible reflexes and speed along with the FTG he does not need clones to appear in more than one place at a time.

 

[Aominecchi]

he can do clones because this is not a very powerful technique

 

[TurrinB]

That would be extremely hax'd if he could

 

[Descent]

If speculation is proven accurate, his power would severely increase.

 

[III HOKAGE III]

This kid a complete ****n idiot. No common sense !

 

[Bahama]

Don't you have to make a kage bunshin for the academy exam? lol if not even genin K11 can do it Im sure Minato can

Lol really? So for you to pass the exam you have to read a forbidden scroll? That makes total sense.

 

[amsy]

Bushin no jutsu =/= Kage Bushin no Jutsu

Kage Bushin and Bushin no jutsu are two different jutsu.....

By your logic since Sasuke was considered a genius he can do kage bushin too, in fact Shikamaru knows over 1000 jutsu.... -___-

In the first place sasuke was never a jounin.he was a rouge nin,while minato was a jounin even sensei and last but not the least he was a hokage so yeah he can do the kage bunshin.

 

[amsy]

minato fights with brains he does not make unnessesary move in a battle,he uses the most suitable method that can yeild greater possitive results,and the kage bunshin is mainly used for diversion or aid as naruto uses it to make rasengans and rasen-shuriken.in all his battles,shown both in manga and the movies non requires him to make a diversion and he doen't need any aid in making his beautiful rasengan unlike his untalented son(just kidding),if he does he knows that it will only be a loss of chakra.so he sticks to the important points in the his battles.that is why he never uses the kage bunshin but i think yes he can do it.

 

[razinzell]

Wow hottest thread? Obviously he can he is Kage level. I can't imagine what these 7 pages of comments say.

 

[Westernaut]

I say "yes. Most definitely".
Minato was obviously strong enough to use Kage Bunshin, but he probably didn't liked it, or he never had to use it. Thats why we haven't seen him using it. But come on! He was the Hokage, for gods sake!

 

[ajpn920]

Op it seems you are lacking, either that or too slow or perhaps fanboysim has clouded your judgement. Maybe all three contribute to your failings. You said i didnt prove anything, actually i did.

I proved that the two are different techniques (bunshin and kage bunshin)
Proved that its a kinjutsu which wouldnt be taught at a academy
Proved that its hashirama's scroll
Proved that its him who forbid it.

Ive proved all your points wrong, however i didnt prove whether minato can use it or not, because that was never the aim unless you can upload me a quote saying he cannot, however i can upload you a quote which says that he might have it however your post doesnt do this idea justice. Reason i didnt even bother to disapprove of him having it is because its unknown and the petty attempt of you to try and approve it wasnt good enough and that me being nice. If you still cannot grasp that what hiruzen said, he never mentioned minato, previous could mean any of the previous hokages, uploaded you a quote from the DB, then uploaded the Image aswell and yet you cannot take this in, then ive nothing more to say. Btw op if you go back to when naruto first learnt the technique he said "kage bunshin no jutsu" and you even upload the page where he said this. What he did with the technique was due to his reserves which allowed him to maximise it, however the vast majority of ninja's do not have that reserves in the first place

As for those trolls/butthurt fans who have somehow added itachi to the thread/has called those are arent in favour of this idea haters must be either stuck on stupid/trolls are not very bright. I guess going against the op which is wrong, is hating. To me hating is when you post nonsense and outright hate on a character without giving any evidence, however id like to think ive done the opposite. The only point i couldnt prove was whether minato had this technique or not and as i said that was never the aim because it cannot be proven or dispproven, but since for unkown reasons itachi has somehow creeped into this thread due to butthurt minato fanboys who cannot accept the truth and simple logic that its unknown are just butthurt, i guess its only fair that i also include itachi in this thread. As he said "you lose";

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Btw op if you go back to when naruto first learnt the technique he said "kage bunshin no jutsu" and you even upload the page where he said this. What he did with the technique was due to his reserves which allowed him to maximise it, however the vast majority of ninja's do not have that reserves in the first place

Blaze, as i've said, saying that I'm wrong in your 1st post means that you disagree with the idea that he possibly can. Meaning, you are in favor of the opposite. Check the quote above, you mentioned that naruto did the tech because of his reserves but one thing you failed to see that Minato > Kid Naruto because the same Kid who performs Kage bunshins failed to summon bunta thus needed Kurama's chakra.

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

I totally agree with u. Even though the multi shadow clone is a jounin lvl. tec., the shadow clone is a basic tec. which evry1 has to master before becoming a genin of the leaf. Every leaf nin. knows it nd i c no reason to disbelieve a kage like Minato cant do it. Every1 does nt use it bcuz they may be either bad at it or its nt their style or they r bad at its chakra manipulation or they dont kno how to use it.

 

[VongolaX]

in order for u to graduate u have to know kage bushin

 

[garas56]

I WILL USE LOGIC NOOOOO Minato can't use kage bunshin,Why?cous hes Dead.

 

[Ngylle]

Its only on here that you would get away with such a thread, because majority are lacking the basics. On another forum you'd get dispatched with minimum effort. You should look on the bright side though, ill take it easy. Ill admit i just skim read your thread and i believe i got the basics.

First is that the academy DO NOT teach forbidden technique's. Thats what kinjutsu is and that is what a kage bunshin is unless you want to challenge me.

Also production of bunshin is what is needed to graduate at the academy rock lee couldnt have used this technique since he has no talent so he mustve graduated by other means and the same was naruto who couldnt produce this technique, his problem was chakra control. However he used the kage bunshin which to iruka was enough to graduate him. What im saying is that there are other way to get graduate, though minato wouldnt have the problems that lee and naruto faced im confident he knows the bunshin no jutsu, however the kage bunshin im not too sure about

Second mistake you made was to confuse a bunshin no jutsu to a kage bunshin no jutsu. The two techniques are different. The bunshin no jutsu is what is taught at the academy at the DB states;

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one Technique (分身の術, Bunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, E-rank, Supplementary
Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Haruno Sakura, et al

Creating one's own after-image and confusing the enemy!!

A ninjutsu that creates an after-image of one's own body, without any substance. Since the clone itself doesn't have the ability to attack, and thus can only be used to confuse the enemy, it is mainly used in combination with other ninjutsu. It's a basic technique, but depending on one's ingenuity, it can be used effectively.

[picture of Sakura and two of her clones attacking Ino]
↑As Ino said, the "Clone Technique" is a ninjutsu that every ninja can use.

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◆Shinobi◆An elementary technique, even used as the Academy graduation exam

This technique, used in the graduation exam, is one of the ninjutsu Naruto is poor at. Because of it, he has failed the exam three times...

First Databook, page 220

A kage bunshin in the DB is;

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Shadow Clone Technique (影分身の術, Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Supplementary
Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Hatake Kakashi, et al

A ninjutsu that creates a true copy of something. What makes it different from the normal "Clone Technique"* is that it creates a clone with substance, making them able to perform physical attacks. It's a high grade ninjutsu, allowing the clone to various techniques of the user. It used to be Naruto's worst skill, but nowadays it's his favourite by far. The way he uses it is also extraordinarily clever.

That shadow
It changes into yet another real body!!

[picture of Naruto attacking Zabuza from behind]
[picture of Naruto attacking Neji from the ground]
←↑By using the clone to attract the enemy's attention, the real body can appear from an unexpected place and launch an attack! This is the clever way the "Shadow Clone Technique" can be used.

*Clone Technique (分身の術, Bunshin no Jutsu)
First Databook, page 170

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Third is that what ibusi said isnt statute. Hokage's do get the availability of scrolls to learn, however you have to remember that learning all those techniques in the scroll takes time. Something that hiruzen managed to do and that is why he got his nickname, not only god of shinobi but also the professor and was hyped to have known al the techniques in konoha. He was the longest reigning hokage therefore he has in him what it takes to learn all those techniques, but also the sarutobi clan are known to be quick learners. To put it simple, minato's time as hokage was most likely the shortest because the gap between when obito attacked the village and when he become hokage (shortly after the 3rd war) isnt that great. He no where near had the time hiruzen did to learn all those techniques in the scroll.

May i also that the scroll of the hokages is hashirama/tobirama's scroll and not hiruzens or minato's. The senju are hyped to be masters of all forms of ninja art, but also if you go back in manga chapters you'd see hashirama with several scrolls with him. Those are his scrolls that he left for the next generation of hokages. Ive read the whole thread and you must be trolling to think those scrolls are minato's. Hiruzen got the nickname professor for his vast knowledge in ninjutsu and he got this title during his prime. In his prime was when he was the sensei of the sannins and the sannins who were around12/13. Meaning if minato was born he was either an infant or wasnt even born at all. How the hell did he create those scrolls when he most likely wasnt even alive for hiruzen to learn the techniques in them and get the title professor. Its obvious its one of hashirama's scrolls;

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Some people have no idea what mizuki was talking about when he said that "scroll was used to seal you". Mizuki asked naruto to steal the scroll of seals for him. The reason he believed that, its what was used to seal naruto (fox) is because its the scroll of seals, however he is wrong because that is hashirama's scroll, but also the shiki fuin ISNT in that scroll, but also how the hell does he know what seal was used to seal naruto to my knowledge the shiki fuin is a technique that only a handful of people know, to an extent that orochimaru a kinjutsu/fuinjutsu expert had no ideaw what the technique was but also was mizuki wasnt there during that night when minato used it. He just put 1 and 2 together and guessed that its one of these seals that was used to seal the fox because that is the scroll of seals, however he is wrong. Even this page should clarify it;

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Ite very possible that minato knew how to use the kage bunshin, however you havent done him justice at all. You'd probably want to dispute this however you shouldnt bother, i just came here to reply to my fans but also;

• You got the two techniques mixed up
• Ninja's can still graduate from the academy without needing to use the bunshin no jutsu
• The scroll was hashirama's
• The academy will not teach kinjutsu's which is what kage bunshin is

All youve said from start to finish is WRONG!!!. I hope you are still a fan of mine though? U_U

Like a Blaze!

 

[Takos]

No. It's not stated or shown anywhere in the manga that Minato can use kage bunshin.
And for someone who prefers brain over eyes, you seem to lack some critical thinking:
The fact that bunshin is an exam for graduating from the Academy doesn't mean anything at all. Kage bunshin is a completely different technique, that's the first thing. The exam type might have changed one hundred times over, that's the second thing.

Every other person of whom we think they can use Kage Bunshin has either used it or was stated to be able to use it. Minato is not any of those cases.

 

[PureSkillz]

He probably knew how, but it wouldn't suit his style or chakra levels.

 

[Retsu]

this is stupid, ppl are getting out of hand with the whole "If I don't see it then it must not exist" thing that is going on throughout the base. Minato was capable of it, but it doesn't suit his style as his chakra is better spent using s/t techs.