[Discussion] Can Marco "defeat" G4 Luffy

[Passerby]

When I say "defeat" i mean does Marco have the power/strength to kill Luffy while he is in his G4 Form? Or would he just simply end up outlasting the G4 time limit?

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Yes
G4 wont last for long.

 

[Professor Finesser]

They'd stalemate till Gear 4th runs out, then Marco shits.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Marco wins

 

[keshav31]

Luffy win If luffy beat marco within time limit of G4.

 

[ultraChalk]

No, he cannot kill Luffy WHILE he is in his G4.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Yes
G4 wont last for long.

This a injured doffy was easily able to outlast gear 4th ...

Also if u see Marco tanked one of akainu attacks he got hit with garp haki punch and tanked all of kizaru attacks which I all consider to be >gear 4th now is he faster then it .. Idk personally I say no but he was able to match kizaru sho is a speedster so I think he shouldn't have problems ..if u add his durability and healing attributes etc



Edit didn't reAd last part ummm... Tbh bar the admiral I don't think anyone has even remotely suggested that they can over power or out speed gear 4th bar doffy who out speed luffy in that form a couple of times I def think Marco can combat it better due to his devil fruit being able to help him a lot but he def has not shown any physical capability to harm luffy in gear 4th before post time skip mainly cuz haki wasn't a thing ... And it seems everyone is strong af post time skip even comparing someone like Hordy to entire cp9 (pretimeskip ) is a little weird because of all the attacks he yanked from post luffy

 

[loj]

If we are talking about current Luffy.Yes.Marco wins.

 

[Passerby]

If we are talking about current Luffy.Yes.Marco wins.

Marco wins

They'd stalemate till Gear 4th runs out, then Marco shits.

Yes
G4 wont last for long.

So if we were to give both Pirates unlimited power then Luffy will win because Marco can't kill him while in G4?

 

[OG sama]

Marco only wins by outlasting, he isnt overpowering G4, Marco has a fruit that allows him to regenerate from ANY injury no matter who inflicts it. He's just a bad match up for G4 because we have no limit to how long Marco can regenerate.

It was solely this ability hat made it seem like Marco was on par with the Admirals, but in reality the rest of his stats are far from it.

 

[OG sama]

So if we were to give both Pirates unlimited power then Luffy will win because Marco can't kill him while in G4?

Marco could barely injure Akainu even with Vistas help and this was right after Ace was magma fisted. Based off what I have seen from G4, I would say its much more powerful offensively then Marco is. If I were to put G4 in the same situations during MF, like the instance where Marco kicked Kuzan away from Luffy or when he kicked back Kizaru the force from which the Admirals would go flying would be even more or about the same.

Marco is just a defensive fighter with no offense, kicking Admirals and doing zero damage doesn't mean he's going to have more offensive power than Luffy. In fact when Luffy first met Aokiji he kicked him all the way into the sky.

Give them both unlimited power and Luffy wins imo.

 

[BrillyMac]

Marco only wins by outlasting, he isnt overpowering G4, Marco has a fruit that allows him to regenerate from ANY injury no matter who inflicts it. He's just a bad match up for G4 because we have no limit to how long Marco can regenerate.

It was solely this ability hat made it seem like Marco was on par with the Admirals, but in reality the rest of his stats are far from it.

Agreed. I don't think Marco has many strength feat if any

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Marco only wins by outlasting, he isnt overpowering G4, Marco has a fruit that allows him to regenerate from ANY injury no matter who inflicts it. He's just a bad match up for G4 because we have no limit to how long Marco can regenerate.

It was solely this ability hat made it seem like Marco was on par with the Admirals, but in reality the rest of his stats are far from it.

u really have it out for marco judging from every thread i read from u and what do u mean solely based on that ability -.- ok i dont get it it is apart of his moveset... why do u always try to downplay his abilities..

he is is not on the damage level of the admirals in terms of physical prowess (well kizaru is debatable both did little to no damage to each other the only way kizaru could damage marco was when he recieved help from a vice admiral who placed sea stone cuffs on him) but in terms of defensive hes def on par if not higher.. speed there is nothing shown (bar kizaru) that suggests akoiji or akianu is significantly faster than him.. in terms of stamina he was not slowing down either and he's younger so in general he should have more stamina

so i dont see your point there is more than physical prowess to compare to be on the level of someone

also stop trying to take stuff away from him "saying this is the only reason he was to last" well if u look at luffy gear 4th is the sole reason he could contend with an injured doffy...
or asura is the only reason zoro could have beaten kaku
etc.. u complain when ppl try to downplay luffy gear 4th and hype it up so much yet u do the same thing to marco which is hypocritical

and before u call me a fanboy

i dont really even like marco like that (jozu is prob fav whitebeard pirate cuz of the diamonds lol)

my fav characters
r in order
law
kuma
doffy
sanji
ivan and croc

... the only reason i am coming at u like this is because i am so tired of seeing u complaining about a character jesus this is like the 20th post i read aout u shitting on marco

as for marco not being able contend with gear 4th based on feats physically (in terms of output) thats literally every char bar doffy
including the admirals
but we use hype (marco> doffy) so he should be able to.. and def defensively

u also say he over powered doffy in first gear 4th he didnt he did not get passed doffy durability which caused him to be incapacitated after the 1st gear 4th

there is more ways to win a battle then straight offensive look at (yes i know diff anime) but rocklee vs gaara. in terms of physical capability gaara is inferior to every but he has his defense etc same which shikimaru and his mind etc..

 

[Hexuze]

Marco only wins by outlasting, he isnt overpowering G4, Marco has a fruit that allows him to regenerate from ANY injury no matter who inflicts it. He's just a bad match up for G4 because we have no limit to how long Marco can regenerate.

It was solely this ability hat made it seem like Marco was on par with the Admirals, but in reality the rest of his stats are far from it.

We haven't seen all of Marco's offensive feats... All we've seen from him were quick skirmishes. So for now, that post of yours is an assumption, probably a biased one at that.

Marco being a zoan, already guarantees him more physical power. I do agree that how his DF is portrayed, it places more of an emphasis on defensive than offensive but that doesn't mean he has no offensive power or that it's lacking. In fact, he sent Kuzan flying a considerable distance:

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He also has impressive speed to the point where he was able to block Kizaru's beams before it even reached WB.

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Yes, Marco can defeat Luffy. Who knows what the WB pirates were up to during the TS. If they went through rigorous training to avenge WB's death then that gap will increase.

 

[YellowFang]

Marco would hold his own against G4, noted that Luffy retains upper hand... Since, it's exhausting and doesn't last long, Marco proceeds to overwhelm him from the moment G4 wears down...

 

[OG sama]

u really have it out for marco judging from every thread i read from u and what do u mean solely based on that ability -.- ok i dont get it it is apart of his moveset... why do u always try to downplay his abilities..

he is is not on the damage level of the admirals in terms of physical prowess (well kizaru is debatable both did little to no damage to each other the only way kizaru could damage marco was when he recieved help from a vice admiral who placed sea stone cuffs on him) but in terms of defensive hes def on par if not higher.. speed there is nothing shown (bar kizaru) that suggests akoiji or akianu is significantly faster than him.. in terms of stamina he was not slowing down either and he's younger so in general he should have more stamina

so i dont see your point there is more than physical prowess to compare to be on the level of someone

also stop trying to take stuff away from him "saying this is the only reason he was to last" well if u look at luffy gear 4th is the sole reason he could contend with an injured doffy...
or asura is the only reason zoro could have beaten kaku
etc.. u complain when ppl try to downplay luffy gear 4th and hype it up so much yet u do the same thing to marco which is hypocritical

and before u call me a fanboy

i dont really even like marco like that (jozu is prob fav whitebeard pirate cuz of the diamonds lol)

my fav characters
r in order
law
kuma
doffy
sanji
ivan and croc

... the only reason i am coming at u like this is because i am so tired of seeing u complaining about a character jesus this is like the 20th post i read aout u shitting on marco

as for marco not being able contend with gear 4th based on feats physically (in terms of output) thats literally every char bar doffy
including the admirals
but we use hype (marco> doffy) so he should be able to.. and def defensively

u also say he over powered doffy in first gear 4th he didnt he did not get passed doffy durability which caused him to be incapacitated after the 1st gear 4th

there is more ways to win a battle then straight offensive look at (yes i know diff anime) but rocklee vs gaara. in terms of physical capability gaara is inferior to every but he has his defense etc same which shikimaru and his mind etc..

I don't hate Marco, his strength relative to the rest of the one piece world is just overrated as hell. And you still haven't proved how he has more firepower than G4. Marco had no reason to hold back during the MF war, he could only tickle Akainu with Vistas help. Realize how Marco was able to bypass Kizarus intangibility and still did no damage, but when Marco couldn't rely on his regen, he was nearly KOed by 4 laser beams to the chest. Its also important to note that sea stone cuffs don't make you weaker, they just take away your ability to use your DF power. Realize how luffy was chained up in sea stone chains on punk hazard but it was only when he tried to move in them he started getting exhausted. Ace was able to even walk being cuffed in them during ID.

We haven't seen all of Marco's offensive feats... All we've seen from him were quick skirmishes. So for now, that post of yours is an assumption, probably a biased one at that.

Marco being a zoan, already guarantees him more physical power. I do agree that how his DF is portrayed, it places more of an emphasis on defensive than offensive but that doesn't mean he has no offensive power or that it's lacking. In fact, he sent Kuzan flying a considerable distance:

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He also has impressive speed to the point where he was able to block Kizaru's beams before it even reached WB.

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Yes, Marco can defeat Luffy. Who knows what the WB pirates were up to during the TS. If they went through rigorous training to avenge WB's death then that gap will increase.

We haven't seen all of Marcos offensive feats? Dafuq? So your saying Marco held back during the MF war even though his Captain and one of his comrades died? Does that make any sense to you? If this is the case then Marco let both Ace and WB die and its his fault.

So just because Marco Is a Zoan he has more physical power than Luffy? That makes no sense so I guess pre skip Lucci > G4 Luffy cuz Zoan, no one is being biased against Marco these are just facts. The only people being biased are the ones who think Marco is on Admiral level because he kicked Admirals, realize how people want to overrate Marco because of that but yet Luffy bruised an on guard Fuji with a basic G3 attack, and he still can only give Marco mid diff. And Luffy kicked Kuzan all the way Into the sky but Marco kicking Kizaru and doing no damage is impressive? Sounds like the biased one is you.

Name one time Marco managed to even scratch an Admiral on his own, and please don't bring up Vista + Marco. Based off what's been shown Marco isn't Admiral level and he doesn't have more Attack power than G4. G4 has shown superior destructive capabilities, hell even G3 Luffy showed better offensive power.

 

[OG sama]

I find it funny that I'm the Marco hater but every thing I have stated about his offensive power is facts. People want to acknowledge Marco for kicking Kizaru back a considerable distance and failing to do any damage but dont want to acknowledge the fact that an injured Luffy who was telegraphing all his attacks held his own decently against Fujitora without even using G4. Being able to even bruise him despite the fact that the attack was blocked, and this was Luffy using his most basic G3 attack.

But yet Marco has better offensive power then G4? Sounds like the majority of the OP community needs to get Marcos **** out of they're asses.

But yet I'm the bias one? I like how selective Marco fans are.

 

[Hexuze]

We haven't seen all of Marcos offensive feats? Dafuq? So your saying Marco held back during the MF war even though his Captain and one of his comrades died? Does that make any sense to you? If this is the case then Marco let both Ace and WB die and its his fault.

It's true we haven't seen all of his offensive feats. All we've seen was him just clash/attack an admiral then it'll cut off to another part of the war. I wasn't suggesting that he held back. It's the same way that we haven't seen all of Jozu/Vista's power either, the person that showed off most or all he can do is WB and maybe Akainu. That's it.

So just because Marco Is a Zoan he has more physical power than Luffy? That makes no sense so I guess pre skip Lucci > G4 Luffy cuz Zoan, no one is being biased against Marco these are just facts. The only people being biased are the ones who think Marco is on Admiral level because he kicked Admirals, realize how people want to overrate Marco because of that but yet Luffy bruised an on guard Fuji with a basic G3 attack, and he still can only give Marco mid diff. And Luffy kicked Kuzan all the way Into the sky but Marco kicking Kizaru and doing no damage is impressive? Sounds like the biased one is you.

Reread my post. You clearly missed my point and I was never implying that Marco had more physical power than Luffy.

Name one time Marco managed to even scratch an Admiral on his own, and please don't bring up Vista + Marco. Based off what's been shown Marco isn't Admiral level and he doesn't have more Attack power than G4. G4 has shown superior destructive capabilities, hell even G3 Luffy showed better offensive power.

Where have I said Marco is admiral level based solely off feats?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Doflamingo>G4. A half dead Doflamingo was able to dodge G4, uses his speed in mid air to slip into Luffy's blind spot and land a clean hit. Even though that kick didn't anything, Doffy has shown that he has attacks that can still harm Luffy in G4 like god thread and 16 spears of judgement. He also survived 4 direct hits from G4 while half dead. I'm sure Doffy would have a better performance when fresh and Marco>Doflamingo.

Marco>G4.

 

[OG sama]

It's true we haven't seen all of his offensive feats. All we've seen was him just clash/attack an admiral then it'll cut off to another part of the war. I wasn't suggesting that he held back. It's the same way that we haven't seen all of Jozu/Vista's power either, the person that showed off most or all he can do is WB and maybe Akainu. That's it.


Reread my post. You clearly missed my point and I was never implying that Marco had more physical power than Luffy.



Where have I said Marco is admiral level based solely off feats?

The OP is asking can Marco overpower G4 I assumed that's why you even are debating with me in the first place. Also we have seen enough of his offensive power to know where it stands compared to Admirals, he can't even tickle Akainu without Vistas help. I know that doesn't mean he can't hurt G4, but it doesn't prove its enough to overpower G4 either.

Also Marco has been a WB pirate for 20 years, if he couldn't reach Admiral level during all his fights with Rogers crew then how do you expect him to get stronger in just 2 years?

I don't hate Marco I think his personality and a blue phoenix is absolutely Badass. Its just I feel his time is up, in order for the new gen to surpass the old guys like Marco need to stop improving. Marco may not have the potential to get any stronger, I know he is awesome but he can't be ahead of the new gen forever.