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can EMS sasuke beat nagato
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The six paths alone beat Sasuke.
Nagato is just overkill.
Six paths has not one but two ways to counter Amaterasu. Preta absorbs Susanoo, not that Animal Path can't overwhelm it with summons.
Nagato is just overkill.
Six paths has not one but two ways to counter Amaterasu. Preta absorbs Susanoo, not that Animal Path can't overwhelm it with summons.
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Good job, I enjoyed reading it
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Are we talking about the paths, or Nagato? If we are talking about the paths then EMS Sasuke wins mid-high difference:
For Nagato, it probably all boils down to how fast shinra tensai reaction is. If it's faster than Amaterasu, he wins mid-difference, if not than his win is extremely high difference or debatable in my opinion. But, given Nagato's stamina I am inclined to put this fight in his favour as he can switch between paths easily.
I am going to start with the basic paths abilities:
Here is what I think how Sasuke can put up a great fight.
Human path, Animal Path, and Petra Path:
This fight will go in Sasuke’s favour given all the points I have posted.
Animal path summon animals without the seals and has the power to summon other paths with seals. Amplification technique gives the animal a certain condition, when it’s met it gains a certain specified ability
Asura paths abilities give it a mechanized armour with projectile missiles, and a chakra blast technique. It also has a very high offense as it ripped Jariya’s arm with brute strength. However, it is weak to lightening and was weakened by Kakashi’s lightening cutter who couldn’t do more, because he didn’t have enough chakra to reuse it.
Deva Path:
Bansho Tenin pulls the enemy towards the user and has a five second limit. It can attract multiple targets towards its self.
Shenrai Tensai repels physical objects and techniques. Large level shinra tensai can be used, but for this Nagato has to disconnected his chakra flow to the other paths and it greatly reduces the recovery of other paths.
Chibaku tensai allows the deva path to hurl an orb of gravity that pulls everything towards it. For this technique, the deva path should be close to Nagato and it puts an immense strain on his body.
Petra path has the ability to absorb any ninjutsu technique and if comes in contact with the user, he can absorb it straight out of their body.
Human path has the ability to suck the souls of those he touches and is able to read their minds as well.
Nakara path allows restoration and interrogation.
Asura paths abilities give it a mechanized armour with projectile missiles, and a chakra blast technique. It also has a very high offense as it ripped Jariya’s arm with brute strength. However, it is weak to lightening and was weakened by Kakashi’s lightening cutter who couldn’t do more, because he didn’t have enough chakra to reuse it.
Deva Path:
Bansho Tenin pulls the enemy towards the user and has a five second limit. It can attract multiple targets towards its self.
Shenrai Tensai repels physical objects and techniques. Large level shinra tensai can be used, but for this Nagato has to disconnected his chakra flow to the other paths and it greatly reduces the recovery of other paths.
Chibaku tensai allows the deva path to hurl an orb of gravity that pulls everything towards it. For this technique, the deva path should be close to Nagato and it puts an immense strain on his body.
Petra path has the ability to absorb any ninjutsu technique and if comes in contact with the user, he can absorb it straight out of their body.
Human path has the ability to suck the souls of those he touches and is able to read their minds as well.
Nakara path allows restoration and interrogation.
Human path, Animal Path, and Petra Path:
The human, animal, and petra path are not immune to genjutsu as they were destroyed by Jiraiya before getting restored by Nakara path. Sasuke can put them under genjutsu, like he did with Bee and Shee:
Nakara path is not a quick path at all, as even konohamaru was able to get it with a rassengan. He is more of a support, medic-nin ninja of the paths, who restores the destroyed bodies. All sasuke has to do is use Amatersu on him, as it quite unavoidable and very fast. It took A to use two techniques to avoid it. I seriously doubt that Nakara path is a quick path:
Amatersu is almost unavoidable because it goes wherever the eye goes and instantly spreads if the eye is fully focused on the target:
Amatersu cannot be absorbed by Petra path, as Nagato had to use Shinra tensai to dispel it. It means this isn’t a ninjutsu that can simple be absorbed. Sasuke can use the many variations of Amatersu on human path, animal path and its summoned animals – as they are huge targets for amatersu – and Nakara path to get them out of the way or keep a safe distance so that they cannot touch him.
Asura paths abilities give it a mechanized armour with projectile missiles, and a chakra blast technique. It also has a very high offense as it ripped Jariya’s arm with brute strength. However, it is weak to lightening and was weakened by Kakashi’s lightening cutter who couldn’t do more, because he didn’t have enough chakra to reuse it.
Asura Path was weakened by Kakashi’s lightening cutter, but Sasuke has a platheora of chidori variations under his belt to take it apart:
Now Sasuke can also use arrows to take out Nakara path from the very beginning. Not only are they too fast to avoid, but they cannot be blocked given their piercing nature:
Deva Path is the actual problem. Its attraction technique can be avoided as Naruto did so by creating a barrier of clones. Its limit is five seconds. If naruto can accomplish it with a bunch of clones, Sasuke can very well do so with level four Sussano:
Sasuke cannot dispel shinra tensai, nor can he do anything about Chibaku Tensai. But, both the abilities are extremely powerful that if used (Shinra Tensai), are enough to weaken the 6 paths but Nagato has to disconnect the 6 paths to even use the former on a large scale and both require a bit of preparation time.
The thing is, Sasuke will face problem because Deva will simply repel every attack except raw amatersu as it’ll require a powerful shinra tensai to repel it and it’ll severally disrupt the rest of the paths, creating a huge opening for Sasuke to take the fight. Also given its 5 second limit, Sasuke will use it to his advantage.
And if Sasuke is able to maintain kirin or take out the other paths quicker, this would be Sasuke's win but with very high difficulty. The thing is, constant enton spam would create thunder clouds without a doubt, and no path is faster than 1/1000th of a second as the page suggested. They will get burn to a crisp. And if Sasuke is smart enough to take out Nakara path, along with Deva path, the fight is over.
It all depends upon how the scenario plays. With kirin at his disposal and a wide array of Amatersu and chidori techniques, fire jutsus, Sasuke's god-like speed, genius status and tactical ability, along with Complete sussano who was a better defense than Gaara's at MS level:
Sasuke putting Bee under Genjutsu with MS:
Sasuke putting Shee under Genjutsu:
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Sasuke putting Shee under Genjutsu:
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.Now even if this genjutsu requires the opponent to look in Sasuke's eyes, he can simply pick Human and Animal Path with his sussano, that was quick enough to grab Kabuto in his DSM mode:
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. This can get at least one path out of the way with ease.
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- Sasuke using Amatersu on Hachibi and the flames almost instantly spread:
And given his abysmal speed, that wouldn’t be a problem.
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- Black Flames will burn on the point wherever the eye is focused. - Sasuke using Amatersu on Hachibi and the flames almost instantly spread:
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And given his abysmal speed, that wouldn’t be a problem.
Sasuke’s Blaze Release Magatama:
Blaze release Kagutsuchi – Enton to encase his sussano in amatersu flames:
The simple use of Enton manipulation to scatter flames and attack, which can also be used to guard:
Using raw Amatersu around the sussano as a large wall to keep enemies at bey:
This technique even eats through flames and is unaffected by water:
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Blaze release Kagutsuchi – Enton to encase his sussano in amatersu flames:
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The simple use of Enton manipulation to scatter flames and attack, which can also be used to guard:
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Using raw Amatersu around the sussano as a large wall to keep enemies at bey:
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This technique even eats through flames and is unaffected by water:
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Asura Path was weakened by Kakashi’s lightening cutter, but Sasuke has a platheora of chidori variations under his belt to take it apart:
Kirin (Rank S) striking the ground in less than 1/1000 of a second:
Sword of Kusanagi (Rank B) can easily cut through steel. If the opponent is hit, their body goes numb due to the electrical current, and is impossible to move:
Chidori Sharp Spear (Rank A). Once thrust, it can be shaped into additional daggers:
Chidori Nagashi or Chidori (Rank A) current allows Sasuke to release chidori in every direction from his own body. It can double the defense if used on many enemies:
Chidori Senbon (Rank A) uses shape transformation, and the more the chakra use, the more the senbons. It becomes much more effective with sharingen, allowing Sasuke to target enemy’s vital parts:
How can Kirin be prepared? That's way too easy. Given the heat produced by amatersu and if Sasuke just gives it a little push with Fire release: Great Dragon Fire Technique: it would be just that easy:
Sasuke used up all chakra for that jutsu alone:
It was used to manipulate the rising air current and create the rain cloud:
He took advantage of Amatersu heat as well :
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. Sword of Kusanagi (Rank B) can easily cut through steel. If the opponent is hit, their body goes numb due to the electrical current, and is impossible to move:
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Chidori Sharp Spear (Rank A). Once thrust, it can be shaped into additional daggers:
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Chidori Nagashi or Chidori (Rank A) current allows Sasuke to release chidori in every direction from his own body. It can double the defense if used on many enemies:
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.The person who is hit by it will get damaged and his muscles will become stiff. It can also be channeled through the ground to increase the range of attack:
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Chidori Senbon (Rank A) uses shape transformation, and the more the chakra use, the more the senbons. It becomes much more effective with sharingen, allowing Sasuke to target enemy’s vital parts:
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How can Kirin be prepared? That's way too easy. Given the heat produced by amatersu and if Sasuke just gives it a little push with Fire release: Great Dragon Fire Technique: it would be just that easy:
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. Thunder clouds will form in no time. Giving him full control to bend lightening at command, and no one is dodging or absorbing it:
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Sasuke used up all chakra for that jutsu alone:
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It was used to manipulate the rising air current and create the rain cloud:
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He took advantage of Amatersu heat as well :
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Kakashi had to resort to a Kamui to barely survive them, that's how quick they are:
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- Sasuke’s arrow going clean through a very thick Cavern spike.Complete Sussano is extremely large:
Its erection is extremely fast as Itachi was able to erect it before the lightening hit it, and it’s much faster that the speed of sound:
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Its erection is extremely fast as Itachi was able to erect it before the lightening hit it, and it’s much faster that the speed of sound:
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(No Sussano when the sky lit up), and
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.The thing is, Sasuke will face problem because Deva will simply repel every attack except raw amatersu as it’ll require a powerful shinra tensai to repel it and it’ll severally disrupt the rest of the paths, creating a huge opening for Sasuke to take the fight. Also given its 5 second limit, Sasuke will use it to his advantage.
And if Sasuke is able to maintain kirin or take out the other paths quicker, this would be Sasuke's win but with very high difficulty. The thing is, constant enton spam would create thunder clouds without a doubt, and no path is faster than 1/1000th of a second as the page suggested. They will get burn to a crisp. And if Sasuke is smart enough to take out Nakara path, along with Deva path, the fight is over.
It all depends upon how the scenario plays. With kirin at his disposal and a wide array of Amatersu and chidori techniques, fire jutsus, Sasuke's god-like speed, genius status and tactical ability, along with Complete sussano who was a better defense than Gaara's at MS level:
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. Its arrows and grab abilities. The ability to sense chakra behind solid objects even:
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For Nagato, it probably all boils down to how fast shinra tensai reaction is. If it's faster than Amaterasu, he wins mid-difference, if not than his win is extremely high difference or debatable in my opinion. But, given Nagato's stamina I am inclined to put this fight in his favour as he can switch between paths easily.
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Not only can Preta absorb them but Deva can also shinra tensei them.
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just highlight it or should i just reply?
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Whichever you prefer O_O
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I didn't read all of it and i already saw one flaw, sasuke cast a genjustu a sensor
type when fighting in the summit
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nagato wins no level
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Don't reply if you didn't read it all.
And Shee was interrupted when watching another fight, and got jumped by Sasuke. (Not to mention the fact that it's f***in Shee... -__-)
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Isn't raikages body guard a guy? He genjustu zetsu too, and he is the number one sensor. Just because people can sense your apearence doesn't
mean you can't catch them. You need to avoid complete eye contact so how would he fight sasuke if he cant reach eyesight?
Send summoning? He can burn them all down like itachi did. So what counter to genjustu is there?
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I'm not wasting my time on the obvious, they're clearly not even. As for that whole Jiriya bit you've misunderstood, he said he might be able to beat him and in the same panel he said it was praise, it's obvious given feats who wins that fight.
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wow, wrong translation and no fact to back it up. It is clear thayt you are a stubborn fanboy of his, since
you gave me no logical answer. Unless you provide facts from the manga and no speculations on the translation.....your wrong
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Find my a better translation,
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. I'm not wasting time pointing out the obvious with you, here's an old thread of mine why just deva path is enough for Itachi.
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Was time pointing out the obvious? Like i said your fanboyism blinds you. I started to read the first paragraph of that thread and i agreed with you. Then that stupid bullsh*t of banshou tenei him out of susanoo? Is it me or did you forget that oonki needed to press sand weight on the susanoo, while gaara has to go underneah to pull him out. Banshou tenin doesn't go underneath objects like gaara sand and susanoo needed to be still for that to happen. Your previous comment literally quoted what your doing now, so unless your a hypocrite....don't reply that again.
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If he's such a "huge fanboy", why don't you just counter my post, instead of bringing up some PM from months ago ? (he's right on Nagato winning, even if the Bansho Tenin alone wouldn't work. However, there are other ways.
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Sasuke loses to kabutos edo nagato but not to crippled imo. Kabutos ability to spam nagato in a manner where CT is used early on is better than crippled nagato with paths who uses CT as a last resort.
Actually sasuke could lose to crippled nagato too if nagato is hiding in a far distance while sasuke fights the paths because I doubt sasuke would even find nagato like naruto did.
Actually sasuke could lose to crippled nagato too if nagato is hiding in a far distance while sasuke fights the paths because I doubt sasuke would even find nagato like naruto did.
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Glad you liked the fist paragraph but my point on basho tennin is plausible. Nagato's shown the ability to use bansho tennin on two different objects at the same time eg the rock and Naruto in their fight which just happened in the anime. He could easily hold susanoo with one hand and rip Itachi(Sasuke to stay on topic) out with the other. Why does it matter if Onoki needed to lighten the sand, gravity is not tangible and can freely pass through susanoo, it does not need to go underneath and yank him out. It's a lot more of an effective method than Gaara's sand.