can 3 eye madara and kaguya survive this?

[Chaosmark101]

^^^ Lol not sure why you are mentioning Gai almost killing Madara when Madara himself later said he was immortal after absorbing the Shinju? All I'm seeing is people write it off as irrelevant self hype even though only a chapter ago he himself stated he almost died, so why would he out of the blue call himself immortal not even hours after he almost died? :lol Shinju obviously changed something, so bringing pre shinju feats doesn't matter.

But Kidgamer that doesn't mean he can tank the x6 TBBFRS w/o Susanoo. Not sure what he's shown that gives him the ability to scoff at

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or Naruto's and Sasuke's VOTE attacks other than his inevitable regeneration.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

But Kidgamer that doesn't mean he can tank the x6 TBBFRS w/o Susanoo. Not sure what he's shown that gives him the ability to scoff at

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or Naruto's and Sasuke's VOTE attacks other than his inevitable regeneration.

you're misunderstanding, he doesn't scoff it off like its nothing.. he survives it due to instant regen and immortality.

 

[KidGamer65]

But Kidgamer that doesn't mean he can tank the x6 TBBFRS w/o Susanoo. Not sure what he's shown that gives him the ability to scoff at

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or Naruto's and Sasuke's VOTE attacks other than his inevitable regeneration.

What the guy above me said. No one is arguing that he can tank it.

 

[Kushina san]

JJ Madara with Shinju is immortal. Incredible that some people still do not accept it .-. Is like Kaguya, more or less.

 

[Ambivalence]

That's exactly what the Manga has implied. That Madara and Kaguya cannot die. Not going to bother arguing against the bold since it's obviously 100% impossible for Madara to be erased from existence with all his atoms wiped away under normal circumstances. Power level and immortality have nothing to do with each other so I have no idea why you keep bringing that point up. Aizen is completely immortal and cannot be killed which is why they had to seal him away, yet there are dozens of people many many many times stronger than he is without said ability. Goku would casually ass rape Aizen yet Goku has no form of regen let alone immortality while Aizen is an immortal who won't die of age nor can he be felled due to injury.

Then by all means you, and everyone else that believes Madara is truly immortal, imply that only omnipotent beings can permanently kill Madara without sealing him, which is just... absolutely not the case, not for a Naruto character. And what does ''normal circumstances" mean? That's why I gave those scenarios, because they aren't what would normally happen in Naruto, and because they can fully prove he's immortal in the sense that you claim he is. So, can he? I mean... it's hard for me to express just how ridiculous it is for Madara to be more immortal than characters who are almost fully god-like that have proven to have far superior regeneration, but can still be killed. Also, I obviously meant characters that can wipe out NV but also have regeneration themselves.

Unless you're just saying that he's immortal under Naruto standards, that he can't be killed there, simply because nobody in Naruto has the means to fully kill him, then I guess I can kinda agree. Immortal even outside of Naruto? Nope, never accepting that.

And how do you agree with bowflex? He said Madara regenerates from 6 BDFRS with his instant regen, even though it took him minutes to regenerate just half of his body. Also, what will be even left of Madara if he took those blasts point blank, let alone a direct Indra's Arrow + Dual RS w/ NE?

 

[Chaosmark101]

you're misunderstanding, he doesn't scoff it off like its nothing.. he survives it due to instant regen and immortality.

What the guy above me said. No one is arguing that he can tank it.

Still find him regenerating instantly hard to believe, but alright.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then by all means you, and everyone else that believes Madara is truly immortal, imply that only omnipotent beings can permanently kill Madara without sealing him, which is just... absolutely not the case, not for a Naruto character. And what does ''normal circumstances" mean? That's why I gave those scenarios, because they aren't what would normally happen in Naruto, and because they can fully prove he's immortal in the sense that you claim he is. So, can he? I mean... it's hard for me to express just how ridiculous it is for Madara to be more immortal than characters who are almost fully god-like that have proven to have far superior regeneration, but can still be killed. Also, I obviously meant characters that can wipe out NV but also have regeneration themselves.

Unless you're just saying that he's immortal under Naruto standards, that he can't be killed there, simply because nobody in Naruto has the means to fully kill him, then I guess I can kinda agree. Immortal even outside of Naruto? Nope, never accepting that.

And how do you agree with bowflex? He said Madara regenerates from 6 BDFRS with his instant regen, even though it took him minutes to regenerate just half of his body. Also, what will be even left of Madara if he took those blasts point blank, let alone a direct Indra's Arrow + Dual RS w/ NE?

"Not for a Naruto character" is an irrelevant statement to make. There is no special law that prevents an immortal from existing in NV. Madara can't be killed. People who can actually wipe him from existence or completely destroy him with absolutely nothing left (and I'm not talking about dust, I'm talking about nothing left as in destruction of matter nothing left) would be able to kill him but people who don't have that ability can't kill him regardless of their power level or the verse they come from. Same goes for Kaguya.

Not even sure why you are even trying to contest this like it's a ridiculous notion for a Naruto character to be able to have immortality when Tobirama created a jutsu that gives immortality so perfect that the revived people can take be engulfed by Jinton (which breaks down at a molecular level) and still regenerate back to normal, yet it's ridiculous for Kaguya, and Madara (with some of her power) to be immortal despite multiple statements and heavy implication that sealing is the only way to beat them? (At least for Kaguya when it comes to the seal) Come on now. I can use the same logic for the bold, act as if I've never read the series and say that it'd be absolutely ridiculous for a Ninja who isn't even God tier to create a jutsu that lets him bring back people from the dead that can survive and regen from being dismantled on a molecular level while people who can wipe out NV 3 times over w/ regen don't have that capability only to end up wrong when I open the book and realize that Edo Tensei is a thing.

And I didn't read what bowflex said entirely. I don't agree with the instant part, only the part that those attacks aren't going to kill him. He'll recover.

Still find him regenerating instantly hard to believe, but alright.

Lol not instantly. It'd probably take around 10 or so minutes for him to regen completely since it took half that time for him to regen his other half.

 

[Ambivalence]

Fine, then.

OT: Madara will eventually recover from those attacks.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Then by all means you, and everyone else that believes Madara is truly immortal, imply that only omnipotent beings can permanently kill Madara without sealing him, which is just... absolutely not the case, not for a Naruto character. And what does ''normal circumstances" mean? That's why I gave those scenarios, because they aren't what would normally happen in Naruto, and because they can fully prove he's immortal in the sense that you claim he is. So, can he? I mean... it's hard for me to express just how ridiculous it is for Madara to be more immortal than characters who are almost fully god-like that have proven to have far superior regeneration, but can still be killed. Also, I obviously meant characters that can wipe out NV but also have regeneration themselves.

Unless you're just saying that he's immortal under Naruto standards, that he can't be killed there, simply because nobody in Naruto has the means to fully kill him, then I guess I can kinda agree. Immortal even outside of Naruto? Nope, never accepting that.

And how do you agree with bowflex? He said Madara regenerates from 6 BDFRS with his instant regen, even though it took him minutes to regenerate just half of his body. Also, what will be even left of Madara if he took those blasts point blank, let alone a direct Indra's Arrow + Dual RS w/ NE?

"Not for a Naruto character" is an irrelevant statement to make. There is no special law that prevents an immortal from existing in NV. Madara can't be killed. People who can actually wipe him from existence or completely destroy him with absolutely nothing left (and I'm not talking about dust, I'm talking about nothing left as in destruction of matter nothing left) would be able to kill him but people who don't have that ability can't kill him regardless of their power level or the verse they come from. Same goes for Kaguya.

Not even sure why you are even trying to contest this like it's a ridiculous notion for a Naruto character to be able to have immortality when Tobirama created a jutsu that gives immortality so perfect that the revived people can take be engulfed by Jinton (which breaks down at a molecular level) and still regenerate back to normal, yet it's ridiculous for Kaguya, and Madara (with some of her power) to be immortal despite multiple statements and heavy implication that sealing is the only way to beat them? (At least for Kaguya when it comes to the seal) Come on now. I can use the same logic for the bold, act as if I've never read the series and say that it'd be absolutely ridiculous for a Ninja who isn't even God tier to create a jutsu that lets him bring back people from the dead that can survive and regen from being dismantled on a molecular level while people who can wipe out NV 3 times over w/ regen don't have that capability only to end up wrong when I open the book and realize that Edo Tensei is a thing.

And I didn't read what bowflex said entirely. I don't agree with the instant part, only the part that those attacks aren't going to kill him. He'll recover.





Lol not instantly. It'd probably take around 10 or so minutes for him to regen completely since it took half that time for him to regen his other half.

hey.. can you guys please stop calling me bowflex?

 

[Ansatsuken]

hey.. can you guys please stop calling me bowflex?

Bow down on flex

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Then by all means you, and everyone else that believes Madara is truly immortal, imply that only omnipotent beings can permanently kill Madara without sealing him, which is just... absolutely not the case, not for a Naruto character. And what does ''normal circumstances" mean? That's why I gave those scenarios, because they aren't what would normally happen in Naruto, and because they can fully prove he's immortal in the sense that you claim he is. So, can he? I mean... it's hard for me to express just how ridiculous it is for Madara to be more immortal than characters who are almost fully god-like that have proven to have far superior regeneration, but can still be killed. Also, I obviously meant characters that can wipe out NV but also have regeneration themselves.

Unless you're just saying that he's immortal under Naruto standards, that he can't be killed there, simply because nobody in Naruto has the means to fully kill him, then I guess I can kinda agree. Immortal even outside of Naruto? Nope, never accepting that.

And how do you agree with bowflex? He said Madara regenerates from 6 BDFRS with his instant regen, even though it took him minutes to regenerate just half of his body. Also, what will be even left of Madara if he took those blasts point blank, let alone a direct Indra's Arrow + Dual RS w/ NE?

Immortality is term whose origins comes from mythology.Immortality can mean 2 things :

- Immortality 1 (person wont die from old age or disease and similar but it can be killed )(like for example Oro . he wont die as long he has other bodies but yet he admited he can be killed. Same goes for Kakuzu

- Immortality 2 (person cant be killed in any possible way)

Now Madara is immortal but only when Juubi and Shinju tree are inside him. Juubi is immortal on its own but it desn´t grant jinchuriki immortality.

Shinju tree is what grant Madara immortality ( probably because shinju is source of all chakra and powers in NV ).

Its same with Edo Minato who had Kurama . Was it Kurama that gave immortality to Minato ?

No it was Edo tensei power that gave him immortality. When you destroy Minato body you also destroy Kurama but thanks to Edo tensei they would regenerate back.

Same is with Madara Shinju tree would give him and Juubi immortality.And remember Juubi/Shinju gives both immortality and regeneration.

Also if Tobirama could make trully immortal beings than why Shinju and Juubi can´t ?

 

[Waltz]

Immortality is term whose origins comes from mythology.Immortality can mean 2 things :

- Immortality 1 (person wont die from old age or disease and similar but it can be killed )(like for example Oro . he wont die as long he has other bodies but yet he admited he can be killed. Same goes for Kakuzu

You're confusing life extension science with Immortality. . A thing subject to death cannot be a true representation of immortality----any such reference is pseudo. Thus, Orochimaru cannot class as an example of the term as he's simply able extend his life span; that does not mean he cannot die. We cannot say he has an unending existence because his existence can end as even if Orochimaru was to continue swapping bodies until there are no more Shinobi left in the NV he would then die of either old age or illness and that would deem him mortal. Kakuzu died and this is because he was also mortal. An immortal thing lives forever, if you cannot live forever then you are not immortal. ​

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

You're confusing life extension science with Immortality. . A thing subject to death cannot be a true representation of immortality----any such reference is pseudo. Thus, Orochimaru cannot class as an example of the term as he's simply able extend his life span; that does not mean he cannot die. We cannot say he has an unending existence because his existence can end as even if Orochimaru was to continue swapping bodies until there are no more Shinobi left in the NV he would then die of either old age or illness and that would deem him mortal. Kakuzu died and this is because he was also mortal. An immortal thing lives forever, if you cannot live forever then you are not immortal. ​

No in mythology person is also considered immortal even if it can be killed. That person wont age,have a disease and so but it can be killed.

Same goes with Oro he clearly said he is immortal and he clearly said he can be killed which support what I said.

Immortality is something associated to Gods and it often comes with omnipotence so I wont debate about this nonsense.

 

[Tarinth]

^^^ Lol not sure why you are mentioning Gai almost killing Madara when Madara himself later said he was immortal after absorbing the Shinju? All I'm seeing is people write it off as irrelevant self hype even though only a chapter ago he himself stated he almost died, so why would he out of the blue call himself immortal not even hours after he almost died? :lol Shinju obviously changed something, so bringing pre shinju feats doesn't matter.

Madara might be immortal but Indra's arrow is bijuu charged. Traditional attacks wouldn't kill Madara but don't you think that
if Naruto's Bijuu rasenshuriken could destabilize Kaguya, something like the VOTE2 attacks would knock the bijuu clean out
of Madara and obliterate him completely?

Or do you think that the Shinju remains separate and stays in regardless? Because at least I think that if the bijuu are knocked
out, the Shinju will just revert to the Gedo Mazou and won't grant immortality anymore.

 

[Tarinth]

^^^ Lol not sure why you are mentioning Gai almost killing Madara when Madara himself later said he was immortal after absorbing the Shinju? All I'm seeing is people write it off as irrelevant self hype even though only a chapter ago he himself stated he almost died, so why would he out of the blue call himself immortal not even hours after he almost died? :lol Shinju obviously changed something, so bringing pre shinju feats doesn't matter.

Madara might be immortal but Indra's arrow is bijuu charged. Traditional attacks wouldn't kill Madara but don't you think that
if Naruto's Bijuu rasenshuriken could destabilize Kaguya, something like the VOTE2 attacks would knock the bijuu clean out
of Madara and obliterate him completely?

Or do you think that the Shinju remains separate and stays in regardless? Because at least I think that if the bijuu are knocked
out, the Shinju will just revert to the Gedo Mazou and won't grant immortality anymore. I could be wrong about that
of course but I doubt the tree will have such godly regenerative abilities without bijuu fuel.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara might be immortal but Indra's arrow is bijuu charged. Traditional attacks wouldn't kill Madara but don't you think that
if Naruto's Bijuu rasenshuriken could destabilize Kaguya, something like the VOTE2 attacks would knock the bijuu clean out
of Madara and obliterate him completely?

Or do you think that the Shinju remains separate and stays in regardless? Because at least I think that if the bijuu are knocked
out, the Shinju will just revert to the Gedo Mazou and won't grant immortality anymore.

I agree that the attacks would draw the Bijuu chakra out, but they'd still have to win the tug of war, which I think they can easily do w/ Ashura Kurama and Bijuu Susanoo. If the Bijuu are pulled out then yes, the Shinju goes with it and the Mazo stays inside of Madara. Like you said, he'll live but he won't have immortality anymore meaning they could easily kill him. He'd basically be like Obito was after

 

[Ambivalence]

^ What do you think is the weakest attack 3-eyed Madara takes point blank that would unstabilize the Bijuu chakra?

 

[KidGamer65]

^ What do you think is the weakest attack 3-eyed Madara takes point blank that would unstabilize the Bijuu chakra?

Anything that can penetrate his skin and has all 9 chakras in it would do the trick so:

-For Sasuke it'd be Chidori Senbon from Bijuu Susanoo.
-For Naruto it'd be 9 Bijuu Rasen Shuriken since that's the only tech he has that uses all 9 Bijuu's power at once.

 

[Icelerate]

Apparently even a katana can kill Kaguya so I'm inclined to say they have no chance at surviving it.

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[Chaosmark101]

Lol not instantly. It'd probably take around 10 or so minutes for him to regen completely since it took half that time for him to regen his other half.

Cool, didn't think so since Kaguya didn't show instant regeneration herself.