Calling on all Hiruzen fans

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

I have serious a question, no trolling og bashing. I'm wondering why Prime Hiruzen fans think he is so Beast? What makes him so great?
We saw old Hiruzen fighting Orochimaru and he was pretty bad ass, but he couldnt have been that different from what he was in his prime, even Monkey King Enma said that Hiruzen was extremly strong (stronger than Orochimaru) even at his old age.

So i dont think there is a big difference between Prime Hiruzen and Old Hiruzen. Maybe chakra levels where higher and stamina was better. Actually when you think about it, he had learned more jutsu the older he got, so one could argue that Old Hiruzen > Prime Hiruzen beacause of knowledge and experience.

What say you Hiruzen fans?

 

[Flakez]

Hiruzen fans?

Just trolls who spam believe in the hype.

 

[LuckyMan]

No, Enma said his fight with Orochimaru was miserable compared to his prime, even though he was dueling Hashirama, Tobirama, and Orochimaru in a very small enclosed area with barely room to fight. Oro said himself 10 years ago Hiruzen would have easily beaten him and thats at age 60, still far from his prime.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

There might be one of those left jacking off over that page where you uses all the chakra natures

 

[chuloe]

The Hype is what they believe in buddy

 

[TheAncientJinchuuriki]

I didn't even know there were Hiruzen fans on here

 

[Mark Sanchez]

My goodness

He belongs on the top 10 list. I don't care where. But he is top 10 material.
Once again I will explain why he is so powerful. The third man to share the title "God of Shinobi" alongside 2 beasts (Hashirama Senju and the Sage)

- - He is often referred to as "History's Strongest" and a "Genius"
- 「プロフェッサー●[...]里にある全ての術を知り尽くし、かつそれらを自在に使いこなすことに由来。」
- Named "The Professor: [...] The origin [of this nickname] lies in him knowing thoroughly all the jutsu that exist in the village and also being able to use them easily at will.'
- Anyone who is trusted by Hashirama and Tobirama to protect the village during the wars is bound to be powerful. It's common sense that he is worthy of the title Hokage since it was given to him by 2 monsters of Hokages. Learning the skills and knowledge from the 1st and 2nd, Hiruzen was able to get the village through 3 Great Shinobi World Wars. Having the longest reign of Hokage. 40+ Years.

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-An Old 5% Hiruzen sealing both 25% Edo Hokages with clones in complete darkness. Don't care how weak the Hokages were. Hiruzen was in a far off worse condition to fight. This is an excellent feat.

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His chakra was noted to be very strong. Hiruzen's chakra causes a dense effect on the atmosphere when released, cracking the building he and Orochimaru were battling on. Furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth.

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His Chakra can further be assumed to have strong Chakra reserves in his Prime as Kage Bunshin could be one of his specials as Orochimaru was surprised Hiruzen didn't use Kage Bunshins when he charged at him.

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-A battle exhausted Hiruzen with a part of his soul left easily disarming Orochimaru and speed owned him behind his blind side to catch him in close range. You can easily see with these scans that Orochimaru was actually pushed to try at the last second and looked quite frightened. This is THE Orochimaru who without arms was playing around with 4 Tailed Naruto.

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Using these scans, It would be possible that if Orochimaru didn't have his Edos, he would have been easily killed by Hiruzen.

Orochimaru even stated that if Hiruzen were 10 years younger, he would have been killed by Hiruzen.

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While having the sword of Kusangi pierced through him, Hiruzen was still able to hold Orochimaru's soul with the Reaper for an 1 hour long showing extreme willpower!

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-Speed feats are beautiful keeping up with Hashirama and Tobirama at the same time.

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-The Hokages are easily praised by both Naruto and Sasuke. The statement obviously includes Hiruzen. By Sasuke's own admission. " Looks like they're not just talk after all" should be enough.

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Can use all of Konoha's non KKG techniques which includes the Ino–Shika–Chō with Kage Bunshins and ability to use all 8 Gates at will.
Despite many on the Base saying that he cannot, Manga disagrees as Orochimaru (Hiruzen student) states his ability for "Knowing and being able to use all the jutsu that exist in the Leaf"
This includes mastery over all 5 elements to a godly extent and mastery of all forms of shinobi combat.

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Hiruzen knows all Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =
Hiruzen (sarutobi clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Hiruzen w/ Enma
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang


Aburame Clan
Secret Technique: Insect Gathering
Insect Clone Technique
Human Cocoon Technique
Insect Jamming Technique
Insect Jar Technique
Parasitic Destruction Insect Technique
Secret Technique: Insect Cocoon
Secret Technique: Insect Sphere
Secret Technique: Insect Tornado
Spindle Formation

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades
Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment

Other Hidden Leaf Tech
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave (Anime only)
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Chidori
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lightning Beast Running Technique
Lightning Cutter
Lightning Release Shadow Clone
Lightning Transmission (Manga only)
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Rasengan
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Eight Trigrams Mountain Crusher
Eight Trigrams One Hundred Twenty-Eight Palms
Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven
Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm
Hyūga Main Family's Juinjutsu
Palm Bottom
Protection of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Silent Killing
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough
+ Neutalizer technique, Ghost Transformation, Bringer of Darkness and all 8 Gates at will.

Proof. Here Hiruzen is clearly able to use the Inuzuka Clan's enhanced sense of smell as shown in this scan.

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Therefore proving that Hiruzen is able to use all the techniques in the village which includes the famous Ino–Shika–Chō which can be easily used by Hiruzen with clones. =D

Here, he clearly displays mastery over all 5 Elements to an incredible A Rank Level.

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He is also a master of a 1000 Genjutsu.

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Hiruzen also has an OP summon, Monkey King Enma which can also transform into a staff made out of Adamantine (Which is a diamond that is unbreakable.)It is possible for him to attack of his own free will using his claws and fangs which protrude from the staff itself, adding an element of surprise and irregularity. Enma can also manipulate his size and length to confuse the enemy.

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The staff's power is strong enough to break through Hashirama's wood style and the Shinju's tree branches while Tobirama and Minato themselves couldn't even break through it to save Naruto.

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Enma can also clone himself into a Adamantine Wall. The prison wall has incredible toughness, and is impossible to break. When used for defence the enemy has no way of attacking.

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Enma is also strong enough to fend off full powered Kurama out of the village.

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Prime Hiruzen can completely negate all Ninjutsu using Technique Neutralizer.

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Example of what would happen.

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Hiruzen considers himself the strongest out of his team which also includes the Second Hokage, Tobirama Senju.

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-Kabuto who has spied in many various countries of the Shinobi world even said that he was the strongest out of the 5 Kage despite his old age!

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Danzo admitted inferiority to Hiruzen despite having the cells of Hashirama, Izanagi and Kotoamatsukami from the eye of Shisui.

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The Solo King believes in the 3rd's power to protect Sasuke. Only someone whom Itachi respects is enough.

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Shikamaru, one of the greatest strategist minds in the Manga even stated that Hiruzen is the only one that can do something despite having the Shinobi Alliance + 5 Kage at their side.

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Manga Facts of Hiruzen's might!

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"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.


DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

The Hype is what they believe in buddy

I guess so, but the hype failed so.

 

[DMT]

I didn't know that we need Mark sanchez to solo this thread

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Hiruzen is a fodder. As far as you're concerned he never existed.

 

[CloyEscapade]

Hiruzen is always prime... Stopped two Kage and ruined oro for years on his own at old age... Now he's edo and no ones touched him

 

[Kamui Sama]

My goodness

that sums it up U_U

 

[ATD]

My goodness

It is Art itself. One doesn't know whether the person is truly convinced of this or the person is trying to troll very good ?

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

don't really care about the fanboysm of his fanbase hmm (have nothing to do with it)

as a Hiruzen fan, i believe that he was a LOT stronger in his prime because of :

- his position/role in the story.

- being Hashirama/Tobirama's successor (they must have seen his potential to choose him).

- he is the "monkey" of the series (a HUGE thing in Japanese mythology/stories).

- the hints that were mentioned in his fight against Orochimaru (the approach he chose in that fight wasn't the approach of the legenday Hiruzen as hinted).

so overall everything that was said about Hiruzen/his role in the series suggests that he was extremely powerful in his prime (a lot stronger than his old state).

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Believe in the hype ?

 

[Torche]

Hiruzen is always prime... Stopped two Kage and ruined oro for years on his own at old age... Now he's edo and no ones touched him

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[Legendary Saiyan]

I just believe in the hype.

 

[assface3]

Hiruzen doesn't have any fans. From what I've gathered, most are low-level posers.

And plus: Orochimaru trolled Hiruzen and Hashirama would babyshake Hiruzen.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Hiruzen doesn't have any fans. From what I've gathered, most are low-level posers.

And plus: Orochimaru trolled Hiruzen and Hashirama would babyshake Hiruzen.

textbook example of someone talking out of their "ass"

 

[ATD]

don't really care about the fanboysm of his fanbase hmm (have nothing to do with it)

as a Hiruzen fan, i believe that he was a LOT stronger in his prime because of :

- his position/role in the story.

- being Hashirama/Tobirama's successor (they must have seen his potential to choose him).

- he is the "monkey" of the series (a HUGE thing in Japanese mythology/stories).

- the hints that were mentioned in his fight against Orochimaru (the approach he chose in that fight wasn't the approach of the legenday Hiruzen as hinted).

so overall everything that was said about Hiruzen/his role in the series suggests that he was extremely powerful in his prime (a lot stronger than his old state).

First time i meet a hiruzen fan who doesn´t believe the hype.
Of course hirunzen was stronger in his prime but how you definite "prime"? i would say hirunzen was in his strongest form when he was 40-50 years old, because experience also is very important to build up his own strength.