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[motherfury]

Naruto of the Senju Clan Theory

Ok, take in account the thread that has the theory of Dan and Tsunade as Minato's parents thus making Naruto a Senju member and therefore ultimately having the power to control the Demon Fox which Madara may or may not have known.

Still take note in that thread and add it to what I have for my theory.

Now keep in mind that while Tsunade is the granddaughter of the first.
The third was not part of the Senju clan but merely followed in their beliefs and teachings as he was a student of one. And their beliefs were passed down through all the Hokages. As well as to Jirayah and to Minato (and to Kakashi). So we have here the passed down beliefs and teachings as well as possible bloodline connection. Madara did state that the title of Hokage as always been of the Senju clan.

Now here comes my theory. I have searched to see if anyone thought of this and can't find one post about it but if there indeed does exist one then by all means reply with it. I would very much like to read on it.

My theory is the possibility that the keyscroll could be Kushina as the container of the seal.

1. We know she didn't die in giving birth like Gaara because Naruto was given the demon fox after he was already born.

2. And Minato chose to entrusted J-man with the keyscroll to protect it.

3. Look how the keyscroll frog says that "leaving power behind for one's child may be the very definition of parental love".

4. The keyscroll frog also makes a "?" over how Jiraiyah says he was Minato's master and so he "knew him quite well." Well,who but his own wife could know him better?

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supports reason 3. and 4.

5. Apparently, Jirayah wasn't there to see the sacrifice of the 4th. Which means he may not even know that the keyscroll is Kushina.

6. We know the Jirayah can turn anyone into a toad.

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and since Minato was a student of J-man then more likely he knew how to use that jutsu as well to turn Kushina into a toad to disguise her and hide the key and yet become the container of the seal as being the key itself to the seal on Naruto.

7. Naruto's symbol on his belly is the whirlpool.

And if Kushina is the keyscroll then perhaps her and/or Minato's power (whatever Kushina's was; though it is said Naruto's style was like hers) may be passed on to him. [Refer to number 3.]

If my theory is correct that the keyscroll is Kushina and Jirayah wasn't there to see the fourth make the sealing of he nine tails then it's possible that Itachi was there about the age of 5 and saw it. He was a genius after all and graduated the academy by age 7. I think this was largely due to the fact that he saw so much during the war that it triggered his sharigan early and so may indeed know the sealing jutsu that the 4th did.

And maybe that is the gift he gave Naruto.

Which would explain why he told Naruto that he hopes he never has to use it.

Can anyone help with the theory by way of further support or proof that it's not?
I think this is most interesting.

I am also trying to gather supported proof to the possibility that Kushina may be a Senju member or have a connection to the Senju's as from being a refugee from the Whirlpool country.
1. Remember when J-man and Tsunade drank sake together he said the village of hidden rain was where he was headed as the Akatsuki Leader was there. And how Tsunade said it was surrounded by the land of Fire, Wind, and Earth.
2. And that there had been a lot of refugees over the years from there.
3. Apparently due to the civil war going on in the land of Rain. Well, take in account Pain overtook Hanzou the Salamander sage.
4. Salamander sage Hanzou and his clan/villagers had snorkel masks. Therefore there were pools around.

That would explain where Kushina came from and why her village no longer existed. And why she came to the hidden leaf village and met Minato.

Somehow there is a connection between Kushina and the Senju's clan's beginnings. Since the Uchiha's were from fire country and they lost to the Senju's clan. It makes sense that before the Land of Rain is where the Senju clan would have came from. But since they decided to make a truce even though they defeated Madara, the brothers Senju and Madara AND the Land of Fire's Lord agreed and he hired both clans to stabilize the country's borders and so settled there with the birth of Konoha.

Perhaps in leaving the country they had they mark tribute to their old home with the whirl design. And that's why there were many ninja's that came from whirlpool country as refugees since they knew the Senju's beforehand. Such like Choji's family. With the design of the swirl on his cheeks. And that's why Kushina came to Konoha.

If you have any other ideas to add. Please list.

And if this is true. Perhaps through one of these theories therein lies The Bringer Of Darkness Jutsu.

Certainly this jutsu would be the key to Madara's, Nagato's, or even Sasuke's downfall. Since it makes the target think they are surrounded in darkness. It basically negates sight. And if somehow Naruto is a Senju in either his mother Kushina or Tsunade then he would have the ability to use it since Senju's are master of all three jutsu types. Which would make it powerful indeed.

Though keep in mind that I believe Sasuke is picking up Itachi's role in being a double agent. And is merely acting the part his brother did to thwart Madara and Pain.

 

[motherfury]

Bump.

And here I thought I would get a lot of replies over this. Anything? Does not anyone have anything to add for support or to dispute?

Ok, how about opinions?

I don't know why I haven't received one reply.

 

[Narut0h0lic]

First let me praise you, you have here a very nice theory indeed nice work bro !!!


Well about minato and kushina i find your thoughts pretty logical and plausible! I think kishi only focusing on minato is maybe because he will tell us something about kushina later!! What i mean is, if minato as jiraiya said was a man who doesn't do things without a reason, i really think that whatever he gave to naruto or did to him, he discussed it with kushina, and she must have contributted somehow!!!
Yes i think naruto past will be important to his next evolution phase, cause there is something kishi is not telling us.

 

[konoha s beautiful beast]

I do!

 

[hatake randall]

the symbol on naruto can be taken out because the same symbol appeared on the third when he sealed away part of orochimaru.

and just because naruto was given the fox after his birth does not mean that his mother didn't die during his birth.

we can assume that the only reason that minato gave j-man the key was that j-man was his master and would have trusted him to keep it safe.

number four makes no sence.

six should be five and five should be six.

lastly. the fact that minato might have been able to turn his wive into a toad and then a key makes the teory work. but we would have to assume that either minato or nauto's mother was a member of said clan. which we have no info to support.

 

[motherfury]

I merely meant that from Hanzou's clan we can see that there are pools still around in that area since many still try to assasinate Pain way after the civil war there. And whirlpools happen in pools of water.

I am thinking of trying to make a list of possible refugees that settled in Konoha from making a list of those that we can see that have a swirl on their body or clothing. It's a swirl and not of fire. So they must of over the years came from the land of rain and in the land of rain there should have been the whirlpool country. Since pools were there prior to Pain since we see Hanzou with a snorkel mask on his salamander with pools of water around long before there was a war with Pain.
It makes sense that those from the whirlpool country would migrate there to Konoha since I suspect the Senju may also be linked to be from there.

And as for the seal being performed by the third and the swirl on it, his teacher was none other than the Second's. A member of the Senju clan.
And together it was said that both the brothers defeated the Uchihas.

I have always thought that while they founded the leaf village in that the leaf symbolized the First's wood abilities, the swirl in the leaf may be a symbol from where they came from since it is said they settled in the Fire country. So they had a home prior to making Konoha.

 

[hatake randall]

ok i was slightly confused because i was getting the two theory's mixed up. so i'll try to be more focused on naruto being apart of the senju clan. i would say that the swirl on the back of his cloths has more credit to him being apart of the clan than the swirl on the seal. the actual jutsu for sealing was devoloped by the fourth. so the fact that the third was the the seconds student doesn't have anything to do with it.

also the make up of a seal doesn't imply clan involvment. such as five pronged seal, and cursed seal

also i don't know that just because a clan symbol is of water means that they come from the rain village.

 

[Cash]

Re: Naruto of the Senju Clan Theory

Ok, take in account the thread that has the theory of Dan and Tsunade as Minato's parents thus making Naruto a Senju member and therefore ultimately having the power to control the Demon Fox which Madara may or may not have known.

Still take note in that thread and add it to what I have for my theory.

Now keep in mind that while Tsunade is the granddaughter of the first.
The third was not part of the Senju clan but merely followed in their beliefs and teachings as he was a student of one. And their beliefs were passed down through all the Hokages. As well as to Jirayah and to Minato (and to Kakashi). So we have here the passed down beliefs and teachings as well as possible bloodline connection. Madara did state that the title of Hokage as always been of the Senju clan.

Now here comes my theory. I have searched to see if anyone thought of this and can't find one post about it but if there indeed does exist one then by all means reply with it. I would very much like to read on it.

My theory is the possibility that the keyscroll could be Kushina as the container of the seal.

1. We know she didn't die in giving birth like Gaara because Naruto was given the demon fox after he was already born.

2. And Minato chose to entrusted J-man with the keyscroll to protect it.

3. Look how the keyscroll frog says that "leaving power behind for one's child may be the very definition of parental love".

4. The keyscroll frog also makes a "?" over how Jiraiyah says he was Minato's master and so he "knew him quite well." Well,who but his own wife could know him better?

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supports reason 3. and 4.

5. Apparently, Jirayah wasn't there to see the sacrifice of the 4th. Which means he may not even know that the keyscroll is Kushina.

6. We know the Jirayah can turn anyone into a toad.

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and since Minato was a student of J-man then more likely he knew how to use that jutsu as well to turn Kushina into a toad to disguise her and hide the key and yet become the container of the seal as being the key itself to the seal on Naruto.

7. Naruto's symbol on his belly is the whirlpool.

And if Kushina is the keyscroll then perhaps her and/or Minato's power (whatever Kushina's was; though it is said Naruto's style was like hers) may be passed on to him. [Refer to number 3.]

If my theory is correct that the keyscroll is Kushina and Jirayah wasn't there to see the fourth make the sealing of he nine tails then it's possible that Itachi was there about the age of 5 and saw it. He was a genius after all and graduated the academy by age 7. I think this was largely due to the fact that he saw so much during the war that it triggered his sharigan early and so may indeed know the sealing jutsu that the 4th did.

And maybe that is the gift he gave Naruto.

Which would explain why he told Naruto that he hopes he never has to use it.

Can anyone help with the theory by way of further support or proof that it's not?
I think this is most interesting.

I am also trying to gather supported proof to the possibility that Kushina may be a Senju member or have a connection to the Senju's as from being a refugee from the Whirlpool country.
1. Remember when J-man and Tsunade drank sake together he said the village of hidden rain was where he was headed as the Akatsuki Leader was there. And how Tsunade said it was surrounded by the land of Fire, Wind, and Earth.
2. And that there had been a lot of refugees over the years from there.
3. Apparently due to the civil war going on in the land of Rain. Well, take in account Pain overtook Hanzou the Salamander sage.
4. Salamander sage Hanzou and his clan/villagers had snorkel masks. Therefore there were pools around.

That would explain where Kushina came from and why her village no longer existed. And why she came to the hidden leaf village and met Minato.

Somehow there is a connection between Kushina and the Senju's clan's beginnings. Since the Uchiha's were from fire country and they lost to the Senju's clan. It makes sense that before the Land of Rain is where the Senju clan would have came from. But since they decided to make a truce even though they defeated Madara, the brothers Senju and Madara AND the Land of Fire's Lord agreed and he hired both clans to stabilize the country's borders and so settled there with the birth of Konoha.

Perhaps in leaving the country they had they mark tribute to their old home with the whirl design. And that's why there were many ninja's that came from whirlpool country as refugees since they knew the Senju's beforehand. Such like Choji's family. With the design of the swirl on his cheeks. And that's why Kushina came to Konoha.

If you have any other ideas to add. Please list.

And if this is true. Perhaps through one of these theories therein lies The Bringer Of Darkness Jutsu.

Certainly this jutsu would be the key to Madara's, Nagato's, or even Sasuke's downfall. Since it makes the target think they are surrounded in darkness. It basically negates sight. And if somehow Naruto is a Senju in either his mother Kushina or Tsunade then he would have the ability to use it since Senju's are master of all three jutsu types. Which would make it powerful indeed.

Though keep in mind that I believe Sasuke is picking up Itachi's role in being a double agent. And is merely acting the part his brother did to thwart Madara and Pain.

Nice theory. I am not sure what you mean that the key could be inside Kushina... I am pretty sure that she is dead... but I could be wrong...

To add to your theory... another way of connecting Naruto to the First Hokage.

The forbidden jutsu scroll that Naruto learned Shadow Clone from... was in fact the First Hokage's scroll. The scroll has a name... which is... the "Sealing Scroll" ... Meaning seals for techniques, as well as seals such as the 5-Point sealing technique. Minato probably learned how to make Naruto's seal from there, or at least improved on it. It makes sense because the 3rd Hokage used a variation of the technique to seal Orochimaru's arms. So the Hokages have access to it. I also believe that variations of this technique are know to the other hidden villages because Senju gave them the tailed beasts he collected. So if Kushina is from the Senju clan.

 

[motherfury]

Re: Naruto of the Senju Clan Theory

Nice theory. I am not sure what you mean that the key could be inside Kushina... I am pretty sure that she is dead... but I could be wrong...

To add to your theory... another way of connecting Naruto to the First Hokage.

The forbidden jutsu scroll that Naruto learned Shadow Clone from... was in fact the First Hokage's scroll. The scroll has a name... which is... the "Sealing Scroll" ... Meaning seals for techniques, as well as seals such as the 5-Point sealing technique. Minato probably learned how to make Naruto's seal from there, or at least improved on it. It makes sense because the 3rd Hokage used a variation of the technique to seal Orochimaru's arms. So the Hokages have access to it. I also believe that variations of this technique are know to the other hidden villages because Senju gave them the tailed beasts he collected. So if Kushina is from the Senju clan.

I believe that Kushina may very well be the keyscroll frog. That as the container of the seal.
Both parents sacrifice themselves. One sacrificial life needed which was Minato's. But Kushina may be alive but hidden in the form of the keyscroll frog that Minato used to change her into it to hold the seal. I have a thread on here about it.

But cool thanks for your post!