Byakugan

[Troi]

Where is ur proof it automatically see's network at first 'attempt' of activation?..The byakugan does not automatically see the chakra network/ points as neji showed us when he saw the chakra build up of deidara, not actually viewin the network itself but the chakra build.

Ur basically sayin a immature byakugan can automatically see the same distances as neji/hiashi since it starts with all its capabilities unlocked which means neji should never had been able to increase the range or effectiveness of his byakugan from part1 or even in his earlier years Lol

I don't believe any of us have seen someone activating Byakugan for a Hyuuga's first time and where's your proof Byakugan isn't developed over time? Okay then let's not go there and keep this on track and not play the petty proof card that none of us have or else this thread would not be here.

You're actually further proving my point of Byakugan being developed over time and usage and not training it. So I don't have to say much else. Thanks.

By the way, never, ever said all Byakugans were on the same level as someone who used their Byakugan for longer. I've been saying they develop over usage and time literally the entire time I've been in this thread.

 

[neosmith500]

I don't believe any of us have seen someone activating Byakugan for a Hyuuga's first time and where's your proof Byakugan isn't developed over time? Okay then let's not go there and keep this on track

By the way, never, ever said all Byakugans start on the same level. I've been saying they develop over usage and time literally the entire time I've been in this thread.

Then we are literally on the same boat unable to prove a thing Lol.
Im sayin it would probably take some degree of focus/skill for a novice user to perfectly see the network as it would be the case for the chakra points an long range vision.

If it matures over time then it stands to reason that a novice who never activated or used it would not be able to 'accurately" see the network much less chakra points.

 

[Troi]

Then we are literally on the same boat unable to prove a thing Lol.
Im sayin it would probably take some degree of focus/skill for a novice user to perfectly see the network as it would be the case for the chakra points an long range vision.

If it matures over time then it stands to reason that a novice who never activated or used it would not be able to 'accurately" see the network much less chakra points.

At your last statement, maybe not the actual chakra points but point blank, they are most definitely able to see chakra flow. It would make no sense for them not be able to see chakra flow upon activating their Byakugan. If anything, 360 field of vision is what you have to train to get used to but I digress and agree with most of your points.

 

[neosmith500]

At your last statement, maybe not the actual chakra points but point blank, they are most definitely able to see chakra flow. It would make no sense for them not be able to see chakra flow upon activating their Byakugan. If anything, 360 field of vision is what you have to train to get used to but I digress and agree with most of your points.

Yes they most likely could see chakra flow at first try but most likely not the detail of the chakra network itself, it would most likely be akin to the sharingan's vision of chakra flow which matures into the perfect perception of the chakra network, then finally the tenketsu which equals to exp/focus/control an skill in the end. Lol

 

[Troi]

Yes they most likely could see chakra flow at first try but most likely not the detail of the chakra network itself, it would most likely be akin to the sharingan's vision of chakra flow which matures into the perfect perception of the chakra network, then finally the tenketsu which equals to exp/control/skill in the end.

To whoever said Byakugan cannot be used from birth (forgot who):

It also appears that unlike the other two great dōjutsu, all members of the clan possess, and can use this kekkei genkai from birth, as opposed to needing to awaken, or else not inheriting it at all.

And according to wiki (good source or not, this is nice information) Byakugan starts with a certain field of vision and being able to see chakra. Main abilities. Can't simply have something like that without its main abilities. It would be primarily useless.

 

[neosmith500]

To whoever said Byakugan cannot be used from birth (forgot who):

Yep, they are not born with the knowledge, skill, control or exp to use activate it off the bat Lol.

 

[Troi]

Yep, they are not born with the knowledge, skill, control or exp to use activate it off the bat Lol.

If you're not born with the ability to activate it, how does one activate it then? Through miracle no jutsu? -.-' Come on now... lol... Think about what you are saying.

 

[neosmith500]

If you're not born with the ability to activate it, how does one activate it then? Through miracle no jutsu? -.-' Come on now... lol.

With focus an control presumably taught by a more experienced hyuga, they obviously have the ability to awaken it but lack the exp/control or knowledge to activate it off the bat without any guidance or instructions on chakra control which is still needed to activate the eye. This will result in a underdeveloped byakugan as the hyuga are all about precise an accurate chakra control,
Its like a nara bein born with the ability to use shadow possession but lacking the necessary knowledge/control on how to use or maintain it.

Tho since we have never seen a hyuga activate it for the very first time it really means we're pulling a argument void of substance but at the very least we both agree the byakugan matures to the point of seeing the tenketsu which probably means the hyuga has to mature to the point of bein able to activate a full fledged byakuga

 

[Koshej]

Is the ability to see tenketsu a common thing all byakugan users can see or is it something only ones with a"strong" byakugan can see?

I'm kinda confused about this info.
I do remember something about P1 Hinata "not being able to see tenketsu", but I'm not sure as to what exactly this meant.

 

[Uzumaki Bolt]

About Byakugan from birth. Every user is born with white eyes. The awakening part must be trained or 'discovered' as normally happens with abilities (like talking, coordination, etc.)

And Training: Part 1 Neji has many flashbacks of 'counting birds', and often missing by decreasing percentages (6/7 to 9/10 to 13/14, etc.) The tenketsu-closing attacks are also trained/learned as shown with hinata learning them. Once you discover the ability to see the points, it's only a matter of hitting them fast enough.

Hinata in part 2 can handle up to 32 near-simultaneous targeted hits (different from untargeted ones where she could do up to 128). This "Targeted Hits" also require training the eyes, while normal gentle fist hits only need physical training. In the War Arc, hinata finally does 64 near-simultaneous targeted hits, which is theoretically enough to completely close the chakra flow/usage. Neji did this during the Chunin Exam.

Part 2 Hinata also shows increased viewing distance, focusing distance, and even the ability to on a real figure among mirrors (which should theoretically be enough to drive a normal byakugan user crazy).

Gentle Fist is different, and so is the training.

Ao, who has a byakugan has not been shown to use Gentle fist - only the perceptive abilities of the byakugan. He hasn't mastered it as well as Hinata or Neji, this should show that the ability to release Chakra from different tenketsu in the body is a different ability that may also be part of the Hyuga bloodline (which borrowed byakugans didn't have).

just my $0.02

 

[LuckyMan]

All of you are ill-informed. Only Nejis Byakugan can see that. He was OP.

 

[Koshej]

All of you are ill-informed. Only Nejis Byakugan can see that. He was OP.

Funny.
But still a troll-post.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Very common, dear.