Byakugan and Chidori

[JaphethCrenshaw]

A lot of people are misunderstanding tunnel vision and precognition, especially how they intertwine with one another.

When you're moving at incredibly high speeds, it's not that your vision is literally a dark tunnel with one thing showing in the center, it's that because you're moving so fast, the only thing you can see clearly is what's ahead of you dead and center.

With the Byakugan, you can see everything up to 360 degrees but you're not seeing things in slow motion, your'e just seeing everything. This is where the Sharingan comes in, due to it's precognition and slowing of everything, you can react to the enemies movements which cancels out the chidori's downside.

When you're moving at full speed with the Byakugan, you're still unable to see everything clearly besides the front and back of you, dead in the center. Your peripheral vision is nothing more than a blur and you won't be able to respond due to not being able to see things in slow motion. The Sharingan's precognition and reading of movements is what makes it the more advantageous dojutsu out of the two when it comes to the Chidori.

What I find ridiculous is the conjecture coming from Byakugan fans, if the Byakugan isn't said to have precognition then please stop saying it does just because Kakashi said it has better 'insight'. The Byakugan has better insight in the sense that it sees more not that it reads everything to it's smallest details and can predict things.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Agreed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

A lot of people are misunderstanding tunnel vision and precognition, especially how they intertwine with one another.

When you're moving at incredibly high speeds, it's not that your vision is literally a dark tunnel with one thing showing in the center, it's that because you're moving so fast, the only thing you can see clearly is what's ahead of you dead and center.

With the Byakugan, you can see everything up to 360 degrees but you're not seeing things in slow motion, your'e just seeing everything. This is where the Sharingan comes in, due to it's precognition and slowing of everything, you can react to the enemies movements which cancels out the chidori's downside.

When you're moving at full speed with the Byakugan, you're still unable to see everything clearly besides the front and back of you, dead in the center. Your peripheral vision is nothing more than a blur and you won't be able to respond due to not being able to see things in slow motion. The Sharingan's precognition and reading of movements is what makes it the more advantageous dojutsu out of the two when it comes to the Chidori.

What I find ridiculous is the conjecture coming from Byakugan fans, if the Byakugan isn't said to have precognition then please stop saying it does just because Kakashi said it has better 'insight'. The Byakugan has better insight in the sense that it sees more not that it reads everything to it's smallest details and can predict things.

like literally all of point have already been addressed in the other thread.

 

[lndra]

You realize that the person with the Byakugan can focus on just one thing right?

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

You realize that the person with the Byakugan can focus on just one thing right?

They can see up to 360 degrees. Anyone can focus on one single thing, it doesn't mean you can read that things movements.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

They can see up to 360 degrees. Anyone can focus on one single thing, it doesn't mean you can read that things movements.

seriously fam, delete this and go to the other thread.

 

[lndra]

They can see up to 360 degrees. Anyone can focus on one single thing, it doesn't mean you can read that things movements.

Well I'll try my best to argue for it, because that's what I believe anyway.

When Neji was fighting Kidomaru, he stated that

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> To me this sounds like a form of perception, precognition, etc. Obviously not at the level of the third tomoe.

On the offhand, Neji and Kakashi used their Dojutsu when Lee used his Fifth Gate, while not everyone could decipher what was going on (and actually claimed they were moving too fast), Kakashi, Neji, and Gai were the only one's really paying attention. I think the lack of Byakugan is really the problem, but it should necessarily give the user the ability to move past the tunnel vision problem Kakashi had.

 

[Sagebee]

You realize that the person with the Byakugan can focus on just one thing right?

What do you mean focus on one thing

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

What do you mean focus on one thing

Zooming in and focusing.

 

[Sagebee]

Zooming in and focusing.

But since it has 360 vision isn't it always aware even if it's focusing?

 

[lndra]

But since it has 360 vision isn't it always aware even if it's focusing?

Basically. From what I understand, the Byakugan has 360 vision, but you can also focus onto what you want to perceive.

They don't always have to be perceiving everything, basically. For instance,

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[Sagebee]

Basically. From what I understand, the Byakugan has 360 vision, but you can also focus onto what you want to perceive.

They don't always have to be perceiving everything, basically. For instance,

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Wait so your saying when it's focusing there's momentary blindness or tunnel vision?

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

But since it has 360 vision isn't it always aware even if it's focusing?

No. Vision doesn't work that way. Just because I'm seeing something doesn't mean I can stop it from hitting me. Everyone's been hit with something that was coming dead on.

 

[Sagebee]

No. Vision doesn't work that way. Just because I'm seeing something doesn't mean I can stop it from hitting me. Everyone's been hit with something that was coming dead on.

So your arguing against precog?so your basically saying just because you can see something doesn't mean you can react to it? But the fight against kidomaru shows he has the reaction capability

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wait so your saying when it's focusing there's momentary blindness or tunnel vision?

no, he's saying the user can choose what they want to focus on, humans have near 180 degree vision but you're not paying attention to your peripherals unless you make a conscious decision to, thats what i got at least.

No. Vision doesn't work that way. Just because I'm seeing something doesn't mean I can stop it from hitting me. Everyone's been hit with something that was coming dead on.

use a better analogy. that's bodily reaction, it has nothing to do with the eyes.

 

[Sagebee]

no, he's saying the user can choose what they want to focus on, humans have near 180 degree vision but you're not paying attention to your peripherals unless you make a conscious decision to, thats what i got at least.




use a better analogy. that's bodily reaction, it has nothing to do with the eyes.

Okay I know the byakugan has zooming capabilities but I thought as long as something is in its in its range of vision it has 360 vision seeing everything's going on?

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

So your arguing against precog?so your basically saying just because you can see something doesn't mean you can react to it? But the fight against kidomaru shows he has the reaction capability

Unless I have precognition, I don't have enough time to react. Even if I can see up to 360 degrees, without precognition, there's no promising that I'll be able to react to an attack in time.

 

[Sagebee]

Unless I have precognition, I don't have enough time to react. Even if I can see up to 360 degrees, without precognition, there's no promising that I'll be able to react to an attack in time.

But neji was able to react ahead time with kidomaru

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Okay I know the byakugan has zooming capabilities but I thought as long as something is in its in its range of vision it has 360 vision seeing everything's going on?

it's up to the user. You as a human see 180 degrees at all times, if you want to pay attention to all 180 you can. But if you want to focus you can.

But neji was able to react ahead time with kidomaru

he predicted it sure. but that's not precognition. I can predict a train will hit me if i see it coming that doesn't mean i have precognition.

 

[Sagebee]

it's up to the user. You as a human see 180 degrees at all times, if you want to pay attention to all 180 you can. But if you want to focus you can.

I'm not sure what it has to do with precog tho