[Theory] Byakugan ▣ A True Power

[WalksInShadows]

The Byakugan is so much more than that.

The Byakugan allows one to see chakra on the whole - it allows one to see the cycle of yin and yang within the mundane world.

Of course, the true ability of the Byakugan doesn't really 'work' until it is paired with the understanding of a true Sage. That is when the Byakugan becomes the ultimate tool for the sage as it allows one to govern destiny and control the forces of nature, themselves.

you just made up a whole lot of stuff that is nowhere to even be found in the story lel

Well, except for the fact that "God" has it - and all other eye techniques spawn from the Holy Tree.

and she still hasn't been seen doing anything with those Byakugan that any other fodder Hyuuga wasn't already capable of doing.

Further, the fact that Kaguya had the Byakugan seems to have been a relatively little known factoid that perhaps only Orochimaru knew.

She doesn't have the power of the fruit as it is - and she's pretty kick-ass.

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Really?

She was insanely powerful even before consuming the fruit. That is precisely why she consumed the fruit.

*buzzer wrong*

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She ate the fruit because she lacked power. If she was supposedly insanely powerful before eating the fruit, then she wouldn't have needed the power it afforded to someone to singlehandedly end a war.

 

[Dreke]

The Byakugan is so much more than that.

The Byakugan allows one to see chakra on the whole - it allows one to see the cycle of yin and yang within the mundane world.

Of course, the true ability of the Byakugan doesn't really 'work' until it is paired with the understanding of a true Sage. That is when the Byakugan becomes the ultimate tool for the sage as it allows one to govern destiny and control the forces of nature, themselves.



Well, except for the fact that "God" has it - and all other eye techniques spawn from the Holy Tree.



Because the Hyuuga seal made it next to impossible to get one.

Further, the fact that Kaguya had the Byakugan seems to have been a relatively little known factoid that perhaps only Orochimaru knew.

And he sent Kabuto to heal Hinata during the Chuunin exams.



She doesn't have the power of the fruit as it is - and she's pretty kick-ass. Though Kishimoto has played fast and loose with the idea of chakra (it is necessary to absorb it like some kind of finite resource or property, yet things function perfectly fine for the bad guys and the heroes without the amounts they are supposed to have) - so it's kind of hard to tell what the hell is really going on.

She was insanely powerful even before consuming the fruit. That is precisely why she consumed the fruit.

Ask yourself a simple question.

Have you -ever- seen a Hyuuga utilize a ninjutsu?

Even the most basic of them - like a substitution or clone - something immensely useful for a close combat fighter?

They do not use ninjutsu. There is a reason why, be it that they can't or be it that they have a conviction not to.

There is about to be a series of monologues explaining things, as well as a flashback to Hinata's mother, I suspect.

The wank is real

 

[Aim64C]

you just made up a whole lot of stuff that is nowhere to even be found in the story lel

I see you're new to the concept of stories.

One of the things that they tend to do is introduce 'new' things.

If you would happen to bother to understand where the story comes from and the elements it draws from - then you would begin to get an idea of where the story is going.

But it's okay. You'll just assume kishimoto has gone insane when the story does much as I predict.

and she still hasn't been seen doing anything with those Byakugan that any other fodder Hyuuga wasn't already capable of doing.

Really, she hasn't?

Have you been paying any attention to the series, at all?

You really aren't paying attention, are you?

Madara only knew -of- Kaguya. He knew absolutely nothing about her.

Really?

You're actually trying to be retarded.

*buzzer wrong*

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She ate the fruit because she lacked power. If she was supposedly insanely powerful before eating the fruit, then she wouldn't have needed the power it afforded to someone to singlehandedly end a war.

*sigh*

Let's go back to the basics, since you need to have your hand held:

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So, after Kaguya attained the power of the holy fruit - she gave it up, yielding it to her sons.

Since Naruto and Sasuke are still alive - it means 'her power is not maximum.' Which was reinforced by the statements in the current chapter.

So, obviously - she was pretty ****ing powerful even before consuming the chakra fruit.

Since we're on the topic of Kaguya and fruit:

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What, pray tell, could she require an army for? These are zetsu we are talking about - compared to Kaguya.

If there was no chakra amongst humans to begin with... then ... what good would IT do, and how did anyone know that it was necessary to produce a new fruit (and where did the first fruit come from - what processes created it)?

And... if IT was used before... who stopped it? How?

Why would Kaguya share the chakra fruit between her two sons - then go ape shit trying to get it back? Why the change of heart?

Why does Black Zetsu - a being created when Hagoromo sealed Kaguya (and who was suspiciously aware of and not surprised by the fact that Hagoromo was sight-seeing in the future) - seem to be calling the shots for said goddess obsessed with power and control?

To understand what is going on - you have to look at what inspired the author to include the symbols he does, their meaning, and the connection they have with the story.

For example - the square in Japanese lore is the symbol for the waking state and for the sun goddess, Amaterasu.

The square is the symbol used for the Hyuuga seal over the third eye. The third eye - notated by a circle - is the symbol for the human mind and faculty - ruled by the moon god, Tsukuyomi.

The interaction of sun and moon create the shifting tides - the tempest - Susano'o, Lord of the Stars, notated by the triangle. The stars are navigational aids - reminding one of the need to be awake - to be present.

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It actually took me a long while to decipher the key.

At first - it was obviously an arrangement of the bagua (eight trigrams) about the symbol for yin and yang (indicated by the spiral). Bluntly a Hyuuga reference. It is worth noting that according to the Later Heaven arrangement of the bagua - the 'missing' element (the one with all the text/symbols drawn out in its place) is that of thunder/lightning - the element of division - hence the purpose of the key to alter the division of Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakra.

It is a strong hint that the Uzumaki and the Hyuuga were working together, at one point - since this is an Uzumaki Seal with many Hyuuga/Taoist overtones.

But the 'key to the key' is the square.

Amaterasu. The sun - shines upon the moon - yin - which produces the phases of the moon, Tsukuyomi (the spiral). This creates the Four Movements that interact to create the Eight Trigrams - which cycle amongst themselves to create the mundane world (the triangles - susano'o).

This is why Susano'o blocks Infinite Tsukuyomi - the stars are the guide back to the waking present.

The Hyuuga seal was created to block the development of the third eye - of Tsukuyomi. Of course - it could also be argued that it is a symbol for simply being 'awake' - but it would seem unlikely.

The key implies that whoever created it (the Uzumaki - and seemingly the Hyuuga) had an advanced understanding of the physical naruto-verse and likely the mechanics of Tsukuyomi, as well (or at least, they had enough knowledge to guess very accurately).

"But what does that have to do with the Byakugan?"

Well - if you would find it within yourself to desire to learn something, for once - you could set about researching Taoism. Since, you know, that's where the whole "Eight Trigrams" thing comes from.

Look at the philosophy it teaches, at the legends involved, and at how the mechanics explained in Taoism rest at the very core of the Naruto universe. Even the gods work according to Taoism.

Then we can begin to apply simple "anime logic."

The things which are least explained yet so fundamental tend to come to a head very late in the story. The challenges and the characters involved tend to get progressively more powerful as their abilities jump orders of magnitude with each new challenge.

The rinnegan has been explained.

The sharingan has been explained.

The Senju have been explained.

As have the Uchiha.

The Uzumaki remain ambiguous.

The Hyuuga remain ambiguous.

The Byakugan has yet to be explained.

Uzumaki sealing techniques have yet to be explained.

Obviously, the 'big baddie' is going to involve a Byakugan and therefor be obscenely powerful because the abilities relate to the manipulation of the core world of the series. Which is precisely what we're seeing.

But, it's okay. Kishimoto just lost his mind and doesn't know what he's doing, making random shit up. I understand.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Spoiler

I see you're new to the concept of stories.

One of the things that they tend to do is introduce 'new' things.

If you would happen to bother to understand where the story comes from and the elements it draws from - then you would begin to get an idea of where the story is going.

But it's okay. You'll just assume kishimoto has gone insane when the story does much as I predict.



Really, she hasn't?

Have you been paying any attention to the series, at all?



You really aren't paying attention, are you?

Madara only knew -of- Kaguya. He knew absolutely nothing about her.



You're actually trying to be retarded.



*sigh*

Let's go back to the basics, since you need to have your hand held:

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So, after Kaguya attained the power of the holy fruit - she gave it up, yielding it to her sons.

Since Naruto and Sasuke are still alive - it means 'her power is not maximum.' Which was reinforced by the statements in the current chapter.

So, obviously - she was pretty ****ing powerful even before consuming the chakra fruit.

Since we're on the topic of Kaguya and fruit:

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What, pray tell, could she require an army for? These are zetsu we are talking about - compared to Kaguya.

If there was no chakra amongst humans to begin with... then ... what good would IT do, and how did anyone know that it was necessary to produce a new fruit (and where did the first fruit come from - what processes created it)?

And... if IT was used before... who stopped it? How?

Why would Kaguya share the chakra fruit between her two sons - then go ape shit trying to get it back? Why the change of heart?

Why does Black Zetsu - a being created when Hagoromo sealed Kaguya (and who was suspiciously aware of and not surprised by the fact that Hagoromo was sight-seeing in the future) - seem to be calling the shots for said goddess obsessed with power and control?

To understand what is going on - you have to look at what inspired the author to include the symbols he does, their meaning, and the connection they have with the story.

For example - the square in Japanese lore is the symbol for the waking state and for the sun goddess, Amaterasu.

The square is the symbol used for the Hyuuga seal over the third eye. The third eye - notated by a circle - is the symbol for the human mind and faculty - ruled by the moon god, Tsukuyomi.

The interaction of sun and moon create the shifting tides - the tempest - Susano'o, Lord of the Stars, notated by the triangle. The stars are navigational aids - reminding one of the need to be awake - to be present.

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It actually took me a long while to decipher the key.

At first - it was obviously an arrangement of the bagua (eight trigrams) about the symbol for yin and yang (indicated by the spiral). Bluntly a Hyuuga reference. It is worth noting that according to the Later Heaven arrangement of the bagua - the 'missing' element (the one with all the text/symbols drawn out in its place) is that of thunder/lightning - the element of division - hence the purpose of the key to alter the division of Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakra.

It is a strong hint that the Uzumaki and the Hyuuga were working together, at one point - since this is an Uzumaki Seal with many Hyuuga/Taoist overtones.

But the 'key to the key' is the square.

Amaterasu. The sun - shines upon the moon - yin - which produces the phases of the moon, Tsukuyomi (the spiral). This creates the Four Movements that interact to create the Eight Trigrams - which cycle amongst themselves to create the mundane world (the triangles - susano'o).

This is why Susano'o blocks Infinite Tsukuyomi - the stars are the guide back to the waking present.

The Hyuuga seal was created to block the development of the third eye - of Tsukuyomi. Of course - it could also be argued that it is a symbol for simply being 'awake' - but it would seem unlikely.

The key implies that whoever created it (the Uzumaki - and seemingly the Hyuuga) had an advanced understanding of the physical naruto-verse and likely the mechanics of Tsukuyomi, as well (or at least, they had enough knowledge to guess very accurately).

"But what does that have to do with the Byakugan?"

Well - if you would find it within yourself to desire to learn something, for once - you could set about researching Taoism. Since, you know, that's where the whole "Eight Trigrams" thing comes from.

Look at the philosophy it teaches, at the legends involved, and at how the mechanics explained in Taoism rest at the very core of the Naruto universe. Even the gods work according to Taoism.

Then we can begin to apply simple "anime logic."

The things which are least explained yet so fundamental tend to come to a head very late in the story. The challenges and the characters involved tend to get progressively more powerful as their abilities jump orders of magnitude with each new challenge.

The rinnegan has been explained.

The sharingan has been explained.

The Senju have been explained.

As have the Uchiha.

The Uzumaki remain ambiguous.

The Hyuuga remain ambiguous.

The Byakugan has yet to be explained.

Uzumaki sealing techniques have yet to be explained.

Obviously, the 'big baddie' is going to involve a Byakugan and therefor be obscenely powerful because the abilities relate to the manipulation of the core world of the series. Which is precisely what we're seeing.

But, it's okay. Kishimoto just lost his mind and doesn't know what he's doing, making random shit up. I understand.

Well, I have notice you are trying bit hard to make some people understand the awesomeness of Kishi. Unfortunately, they will not hear you because they have resolved themselves to believe that the manga is about Uchiha vs Senju, and thus Naruto vs Sasuke. They used to reading shallow story, and starring at pictures without trying to understand the content.

As you said in the last part of your post, we already know almost everything about Senju, and Uchiha. The mystery that remains is mostly Huygas and Uzumakis. After making so many theory trying to understand the story, sometimes we get confused by new facts. This was the case when I saw Hamura being Kaguya's son and having Byakugan. I began to think that Hamura was the ancestor of the Huyaga clan.

However, many questions arise here. The most important of these question is this one:

How did people know that the fruit of the Holy tree was not to be eaten? Who told them this? How did that person know such intel?​

In my opinion, they have to be some wise people who knew the truth. There were guardians of these secrets, and were protecting it. My best guest of such people are the Uzumaki clan. Despite all the conflicting theories, the Uzumaki clan remains much more of pre-Rikudo clan than post-Rikudo clan. In the end, the best theory may be that Hagoromo's father was actually Uzumaki, or at least that the Uzumaki were around before Hagoromo.


Another interesting issue is that of the sealing of the Byakugan. If the seal prevent from using the third eyes, why the main family does not also seal its eyes? Could it be that the strongest person is actually the one who become the branch family? I mean, just like Neiji? Seriously, this one does not make any sense. Surely, I think Kaguya had Byakgugan before she ate the fruit, and that her Byakugan allowed her to see the power that was in the fruit, but I doubt Kaguya could awaken a third eye on her own. Thus, I doubt the Huyaga members can awaken the third eye on their own.

There is another significant question concerning other dojutsus. Specifically, the Rinnegan.

What is the true Origin of Rinnegan - I mean Hagoromo's Rinnegan?​

Yeah, since Juubi was revealed, and Kaguya was revealed, we have been thinking that everything came from Juubi, but I doubt it. There is a major difference between Rinnegan and all the other dojutsus. Sepecifically, Rinnegan is connected to actually serious dimensions. When Kakashi died, he went in the world where his father was - a true world where you could find dead people. Nagato could actually take people soul, etc. These are power of true god as we know.

On the other end, Kaguya's dimension are more of her own creation, mostly empty. And so far, she has shown zero Hagoromo's Rinnegan abilities. This tells me that the Rinnegan Hagoromo had, and his power are more related to a true god just like those people who knew that one should not eat the fruit of the Holy tree.

Finally,

Who Is Giving Prophecy to the Toads?​

 

[Jowy Atreides]

Kaguya was nothing special in till she got the tree fruit power, she just happened to be a Hyuga....

common misconception. so6p is not a uchiha with rinnegan. kaguya is not a hyuga with byakugan.

 

[WalksInShadows]

I see you're new to the concept of stories.

One of the things that they tend to do is introduce 'new' things.

If you would happen to bother to understand where the story comes from and the elements it draws from - then you would begin to get an idea of where the story is going.

But it's okay. You'll just assume kishimoto has gone insane when the story does much as I predict.

is what you initially posted anywhere to be found in the story? No. I don't give a monkey's left nut about your K-grade attempts at insulting me or even your garbage predictions. If it's not in the story, whether confirmed or suggested, it doesn't exist. Rabbling on about some garbage in the hopes of it coming true doesn't make you right when it comes to discussing the material that can presently be found in the story. I'm not new to the concept of stories, i'm just refusing to be a subscriber to your garbage.

Really, she hasn't?

Have you been paying any attention to the series, at all?

yeah i have, and i stand by what i said. Before you go trying to attribute her ability to rewrite the environment to those Byakugan, she's doing it with that forehead eye of hers. And it is most certainly not a Byakugan. Show/tell me something she has done with a Byakugan what a fodder Hyuuga can't and i will gladly drop it.

You really aren't paying attention, are you?

Madara only knew -of- Kaguya. He knew absolutely nothing about her.

and none of this has absolutely nothing to do with your claim about Orochimaru knowing of her. It's obvious Madara didn't, because the only ones who would've or could've known within much reason was her own children *facepalm*

You're actually trying to be retarded.

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*sigh*

Let's go back to the basics, since you need to have your hand held:

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So, after Kaguya attained the power of the holy fruit - she gave it up, yielding it to her sons.

Since Naruto and Sasuke are still alive - it means 'her power is not maximum.' Which was reinforced by the statements in the current chapter.

So, obviously - she was pretty ****ing powerful even before consuming the chakra fruit.

Since we're on the topic of Kaguya and fruit:

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What, pray tell, could she require an army for? These are zetsu we are talking about - compared to Kaguya.

If there was no chakra amongst humans to begin with... then ... what good would IT do, and how did anyone know that it was necessary to produce a new fruit (and where did the first fruit come from - what processes created it)?

And... if IT was used before... who stopped it? How?

Why would Kaguya share the chakra fruit between her two sons - then go ape shit trying to get it back? Why the change of heart?

Why does Black Zetsu - a being created when Hagoromo sealed Kaguya (and who was suspiciously aware of and not surprised by the fact that Hagoromo was sight-seeing in the future) - seem to be calling the shots for said goddess obsessed with power and control?

To understand what is going on - you have to look at what inspired the author to include the symbols he does, their meaning, and the connection they have with the story.

For example - the square in Japanese lore is the symbol for the waking state and for the sun goddess, Amaterasu.

The square is the symbol used for the Hyuuga seal over the third eye. The third eye - notated by a circle - is the symbol for the human mind and faculty - ruled by the moon god, Tsukuyomi.

The interaction of sun and moon create the shifting tides - the tempest - Susano'o, Lord of the Stars, notated by the triangle. The stars are navigational aids - reminding one of the need to be awake - to be present.

You must be registered for see images

It actually took me a long while to decipher the key.

At first - it was obviously an arrangement of the bagua (eight trigrams) about the symbol for yin and yang (indicated by the spiral). Bluntly a Hyuuga reference. It is worth noting that according to the Later Heaven arrangement of the bagua - the 'missing' element (the one with all the text/symbols drawn out in its place) is that of thunder/lightning - the element of division - hence the purpose of the key to alter the division of Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakra.

It is a strong hint that the Uzumaki and the Hyuuga were working together, at one point - since this is an Uzumaki Seal with many Hyuuga/Taoist overtones.

But the 'key to the key' is the square.

Amaterasu. The sun - shines upon the moon - yin - which produces the phases of the moon, Tsukuyomi (the spiral). This creates the Four Movements that interact to create the Eight Trigrams - which cycle amongst themselves to create the mundane world (the triangles - susano'o).

This is why Susano'o blocks Infinite Tsukuyomi - the stars are the guide back to the waking present.

The Hyuuga seal was created to block the development of the third eye - of Tsukuyomi. Of course - it could also be argued that it is a symbol for simply being 'awake' - but it would seem unlikely.

The key implies that whoever created it (the Uzumaki - and seemingly the Hyuuga) had an advanced understanding of the physical naruto-verse and likely the mechanics of Tsukuyomi, as well (or at least, they had enough knowledge to guess very accurately).

"But what does that have to do with the Byakugan?"

Well - if you would find it within yourself to desire to learn something, for once - you could set about researching Taoism. Since, you know, that's where the whole "Eight Trigrams" thing comes from.

Look at the philosophy it teaches, at the legends involved, and at how the mechanics explained in Taoism rest at the very core of the Naruto universe. Even the gods work according to Taoism.

Then we can begin to apply simple "anime logic."

The things which are least explained yet so fundamental tend to come to a head very late in the story. The challenges and the characters involved tend to get progressively more powerful as their abilities jump orders of magnitude with each new challenge.

The rinnegan has been explained.

The sharingan has been explained.

The Senju have been explained.

As have the Uchiha.

The Uzumaki remain ambiguous.

The Hyuuga remain ambiguous.

The Byakugan has yet to be explained.

Uzumaki sealing techniques have yet to be explained.

Obviously, the 'big baddie' is going to involve a Byakugan and therefor be obscenely powerful because the abilities relate to the manipulation of the core world of the series. Which is precisely what we're seeing.

But, it's okay. Kishimoto just lost his mind and doesn't know what he's doing, making random shit up. I understand.

you wasted a lot of time digging up all of that stuff and posting long winded remarks for nothing, even when it was stated that she got that power by eating the fruit. Trying to pass your wishful thinking off as facts will get you nowhere in this debate. Until such info is shown, it doesn't exist, and therefore means nothing to me. And learn how to use spoiler tags ffs.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

is what you initially posted anywhere to be found in the story? No. I don't give a monkey's left nut about your K-grade attempts at insulting me or even your garbage predictions. If it's not in the story, whether confirmed or suggested, it doesn't exist. Rabbling on about some garbage in the hopes of it coming true doesn't make you right when it comes to discussing the material that can presently be found in the story. I'm not new to the concept of stories, i'm just refusing to be a subscriber to your garbage.



yeah i have, and i stand by what i said. Before you go trying to attribute her ability to rewrite the environment to those Byakugan, she's doing it with that forehead eye of hers. And it is most certainly not a Byakugan. Show/tell me something she has done with a Byakugan what a fodder Hyuuga can't and i will gladly drop it.


and none of this has absolutely nothing to do with your claim about Orochimaru knowing of her. It's obvious Madara didn't, because the only ones who would've or could've known within much reason was her own children *facepalm*

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you wasted a lot of time digging up all of that stuff and posting long winded remarks for nothing, even when it was stated that she got that power by eating the fruit. Trying to pass your wishful thinking off as facts will get you nowhere in this debate. Until such info is shown, it doesn't exist, and therefore means nothing to me. And learn how to use spoiler tags ffs.

I won't say that you are not familiar with stories, and I won't try to insult your intelligence because I overdue it in general. However, you definitely are not considering all the possibilities about Kaguya's current powers. What I mean is that it is difficult to attribute current Kaguya's feat to a single factor.

That is, with the current silence around Kaguya, you will not be able to tell if her Jutsu are either from Byakugan, her third eye, or just using mere ninjutsus. The reason is simple. Kaguya has the juubi+Shinju+chakra she stole from human+BZ. With all these chakra, her byakugan can skyrocket in power as well as any regular jutsus she has.

Also, since we have not seen a single power of the third eye besides casting the IT, aren't you blabbering yourself by claiming that she is using that third eye. Can't you prove it with something from the manga?

We could say as well, that you are making up your own stuff with the hope that they will be revealed true. From the manga, we know that Kabuto transform a cave into living cave that could chase Itachi and Sasuke. This is same as what Kaguya did with Ice again Naruto, and suggest that no dojutsus was involved. And now, we know she was not creating any landscape, but that the landscape are actually existing dimension. So the only thing she doing is to open portal and close them. Interestingly, BZ has stated that the portal can be opened from the rock dimension, narrowing the possibility that she is even using dojutsus to open them.

 

[WalksInShadows]

I won't say that you are not familiar with stories, and I won't try to insult your intelligence because I overdue it in general. However, you definitely are not considering all the possibilities about Kaguya's current powers. What I mean is that it is difficult to attribute current Kaguya's feat to a single factor.

actually,

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. The source of her powers that aren't Byakugan related

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.

That is, with the current silence around Kaguya, you will not be able to tell if her Jutsu are either from Byakugan, her third eye, or just using mere ninjutsus. The reason is simple. Kaguya has the juubi+Shinju+chakra she stole from human+BZ. With all these chakra, her byakugan can skyrocket in power as well as any regular jutsus she has.

Do you even realize what you are saying? Any reader with basic visual and reading comprehension has been able to tell. Idk what that says about you though since you apparently cannot. The worse part is that the intentional close ups couldn't possibly make it clearer.

Also, since we have not seen a single power of the third eye besides casting the IT, aren't you blabbering yourself by claiming that she is using that third eye. Can't you prove it with something from the manga?

Here's the proof that everyone who has been paying actual attention knows

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by now.

We could say as well, that you are making up your own stuff with the hope that they will be revealed true.

you can say it all you want, but the truth is that i am providing material that is presently, i repeat, presently in the story. It actually exists and can be found, therefore i am not making stuff up with hopes that it turns out to be true. One would have to truly be lacking in intelligence to not understand that.

And now, we know she was not creating any landscape, but that the landscape are actually existing dimension.

*buzzer* wrong again chief.

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. It's been established that she was literally rewriting the environment.

From the manga, we know that Kabuto transform a cave into living cave that could chase Itachi and Sasuke. This is same as what Kaguya did with Ice again Naruto, and suggest that no dojutsus was involved.

So the only thing she doing is to open portal and close them. Interestingly, BZ has stated that the portal can be opened from the rock dimension, narrowing the possibility that she is even using dojutsus to open them.

who even said anything about her using a dojutsu to hop dimensions or use the environment as an offense?

 

[NaruSasuRival]

actually,

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. The source of her powers that aren't Byakugan related

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.

Do you even realize what you are saying? Any reader with basic visual and reading comprehension has been able to tell. Idk what that says about you though since you apparently cannot. The worse part is that the intentional close ups couldn't possibly make it clearer.

Here's the proof that everyone who has been paying actual attention knows

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by now.
you can say it all you want, but the truth is that i am providing material that is presently, i repeat, presently in the story. It actually exists and can be found, therefore i am not making stuff up with hopes that it turns out to be true. One would have to truly be lacking in intelligence to not understand that. *buzzer* wrong again chief.

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. It's been established that she was literally rewriting the environment. who even said anything about her using a dojutsu to hop dimensions or use the environment as an offense?

As I said before, these are your own interpretations:

(1) Zooming at an eye does not necessarily mean that the eye is doing anything. The only thing we are sure about from that is that she detected Naruto and Sasuke's movement with her third eyes. I can show you a lot of panels in the manga where someone eye has been zoomed in without showing any jutsus. This is why you cannot conclude on such a panel.

(2) None of Kakashi, nor Sakura know exactly what is going on. They are merely speculating about the techniques she is using and in the last chapter, we learn that she is not rewriting anything. She is taking them from one dimension to another. There was a lava dimension, then a ice dimension. Sasuke was taken to a dimension of sand (wind), and the place where Obito and Sakura were left lately was a rocky place. Thus, you are the one still making your own interpretation of the facts.

Basically, the only justus kaguya has used so far are:

(a) Byakugan powers - gentle fist
(b) Switching herself and her opponent between dimension
(c) The ice control in which she make the ice attack Naruto.

There is no explicit mention of her using any jutsus from her third eye, except vision field. If you are taking zooming upon a eye as evidence, then you should count the number of time Kishi has zoomed on her Byagkugan.

 

[WalksInShadows]

As I said before, these are your own interpretations:

(1) Zooming at an eye does not necessarily mean that the eye is doing anything. The only thing we are sure about from that is that she detected Naruto and Sasuke's movement with her third eyes. I can show you a lot of panels in the manga where someone eye has been zoomed in without showing any jutsus. This is why you cannot conclude on such a panel.

so you're saying that even though there are lines clearly indicating the eye was being used and right after that the environment changed again, one had nothing to do with the other? :vincent:

It's not just my own interpretations. Anybody who wasn't just skipping through the pages has seen it and figured it out. If that eye has Sharingan powers and there was a close up on that eye right as the genjutsu got cast(and it has been established by canon as a genjutsu), then it is literally the only possible takeaway from having seen that. What other eye has been capable of altering one's reality like that other than one with Sharingan powers?

(2) None of Kakashi, nor Sakura know exactly what is going on. They are merely speculating about the techniques she is using and in the last chapter, we learn that she is not rewriting anything. She is taking them from one dimension to another. There was a lava dimension, then a ice dimension. Sasuke was taken to a dimension of sand (wind), and the place where Obito and Sakura were left lately was a rocky place. Thus, you are the one still making your own interpretation of the facts.

wtf dude? I gave you a direct source of my argument, and you're still trying to dispute this? There wasn't a single question mark in what Kakashi said. There was only a period, meaning it was fact. Not hearsay, guesswork, or a hypothesis. Fact. And Kakashi has been keeping tabs on that technique since the very first time she was seen using it. It's a freaking genjutsu, which means there are no absolutely no portals involved. If there were, we would've been seeing them all get tossed into a black hole. And that hasn't even happened yet. Where are you even getting this stuff from? smh

Basically, the only justus kaguya has used so far are:

(a) Byakugan powers - gentle fist
(b) Switching herself and her opponent between dimension
(c) The ice control in which she make the ice attack Naruto.

idk what else to say other than either you haven't been paying enough attention or you're just to proud to stop while you're ahead.

If you are taking zooming upon a eye as evidence, then you should count the number of time Kishi has zoomed on her Byagkugan.

Literally everybody else knows she used that forehead eye to do what she did. Kishimoto shouldn't be made to explain every last thing that is being done in a sequence because certain readers fail to have the wherewithal to put things together themselves. Especially when he has a character explaining for canon purposes what has happened.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

so you're saying that even though there are lines clearly indicating the eye was being used and right after that the environment changed again, one had nothing to do with the other? :vincent:

It's not just my own interpretations. Anybody who wasn't just skipping through the pages has seen it and figured it out. If that eye has Sharingan powers and there was a close up on that eye right as the genjutsu got cast(and it has been established by canon as a genjutsu), then it is literally the only possible takeaway from having seen that. What other eye has been capable of altering one's reality like that other than one with Sharingan powers?
wtf dude? I gave you a direct source of my argument, and you're still trying to dispute this? There wasn't a single question mark in what Kakashi said. There was only a period, meaning it was fact. Not hearsay, guesswork, or a hypothesis. Fact. And Kakashi has been keeping tabs on that technique since the very first time she was seen using it. It's a freaking genjutsu, which means there are no absolutely no portals involved. If there were, we would've been seeing them all get tossed into a black hole. And that hasn't even happened yet. Where are you even getting this stuff from? smh

idk what else to say other than either you haven't been paying enough attention or you're just to proud to stop while you're ahead.Literally everybody else knows she used that forehead eye to do what she did. Kishimoto shouldn't be made to explain every last thing that is being done in a sequence because certain readers fail to have the wherewithal to put things together themselves. Especially when he has a character explaining for canon purposes what has happened.

(1) As I said, zooming on eyes does not always mean someone is using a justsu from the eyes. In a fast movement panel where the opponent is trying to surprised a character, Kishi always zoomed to show either sensing or detection. I could show you countless panel where character that does not even have dojutsus have emphasis on their eyes with lines, but I will show you one recent involving Naruto - a dojutsuless character.

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As you can see, Kishi emphasized on Naruto's eyes along with lines, yet Naruto does not pull any hutus from his eyes.

(2) Kaguya is not rewriting any reality, and you better deal with it. Saying that she does is plain absurd.

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She is controlling up to six dimensions that Naruto and Sakura are referring to as world. Even at this point, they were drawing conclusion based on switching from narutoverse to lava and then to ice. You can even see Sasuke being in another dimension, and Obito being revived to go get him. Below, Kaguya herself is saying that Naruto's clone must have disappeared from the ice world.

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See, there are lava, ice, wind (sand), and rocky worlds so far. We have to see two more world that she considers as her dimension, and is controlling. She is not rewriting anything. She is simply moving from one world to another. I may have omitted the late bone jutsu she used in 684, but apart from these jutsus, There is no intel that she is actually using a jutsu from her third eyes.

Deal with it, and I mean read entirely the pages I gave you so that you can see how bad you are at reading. Besides, stop thinking you are right and others are wrong when you are the one being wrong. Do you even think she can achieve any of her feat without all the power from Juubi, Shinju, and the chakra of the humans. Are you being blind to see that she can pull any KKG from her ass. Stop focusing on her third eye so that you can see the rest of her power. She cancelled Sasuke's PS just with a chakra release, and I bet you think it is her third eye. I wonder why Sasuke is not doing the same?

 

[MAN OF SIN]

^Kaguya did not teleport them into another world. The castle is still there...

Kaguya was nothing special in till she got the tree fruit power, she just happened to be a Hyuga....

Kaguya is not a Hyuga.