BvS Robin outfit NOT Jason Todd?!??!

[chopstickchakra]

I'm fairly certain the outfit shown in the trailer is not Jason Todd. Now I won't say for sure it's not but it shouldn't be. Now like any good Batman and Robin fan I did a little detectiving.

Look at this pic and ignore Letto(the pic was from another thread that does sort of tie in but is not relevant for this discussion really)

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The buckles go straight across and the gloves have the guards on them.

These two clues tell us some things.

Jason's own outfit had arrowed buckles not straight lines almost always

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Di.ck's outfit rarely had the arm guards but had straight buckles

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Tim's outfit(Red Robin mostly) though had straight buckles and arm guards

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I think there's a good chance that the Robin outfit seen in the BvS trailer is Tim's not Jason's like we all expected at first sight. Admittedly it would be weird getting any of Tim before any of Jason or Di.ck really for that matter but they're already jumping to the point of BvS which means all of the Robins should have been active and retired by that point.

 

[LordRaikage]

that may make the movie more entertaining.

 

[-Punk-]

The movie is from a already progressed universe, I believe is Jason's suit. And is rumor that the female robin might be in this movie, So Tim should be already Nightwing ir retired, Jason's dead and female robin is next, specially if they are sticking with the dark knight returns as much as possible.

 

[RedRobin]

The Robin Suits have all become more modern over time. But Jason Todd is the only Robin Joker killed so it shouldnt be anyone else.

 

[chopstickchakra]

The Robin Suits have all become more modern over time. But Jason Todd is the only Robin Joker killed so it shouldnt be anyone else.

As we know movies take advantages with and mix stories. There's the Batman Beyond movie Return of The Joker where he kidnaps and tortures Tim Drake and makes him into The Joker.

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This movie could just as easily be going off that story and using the "common" knowledge of Jason to misdirect leading into the movie. It could be Jason but I feel an argument can be made that it's Tim's suit.

The movie is from a already progressed universe, I believe is Jason's suit. And is rumor that the female robin might be in this movie, So Tim should be already Nightwing ir retired, Jason's dead and female robin is next, specially if they are sticking with the dark knight returns as much as possible.

From what I understand Nolan's Batman films aren't in the DCCU because it was something they decided on after the first Nolan film had already released. Also, Tim wasn't Nightwing, that was Di.ck. Kelly being in the movie adds to my point that Tim would have already been Robin and reached the point where in Batman Beyond The Joker has kidnapped and changed him. In this new DCCU the suit we're seeing will be Tim's not Jason's and the Joker we see in SS will turn out to be Tim after The Joker got him. That will all be revealed later in later films and we'll see The Joker in a brief clip at the end of SS or in the next movie. According to how the theory is laid out mind you

 

[-Punk-]

As we know movies take advantages with and mix stories. There's the Batman Beyond movie Return of The Joker where he kidnaps and tortures Tim Drake and makes him into The Joker.

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This movie could just as easily be going off that story and using the "common" knowledge of Jason to misdirect leading into the movie. It could be Jason but I feel an argument can be made that it's Tim's suit.



From what I understand Nolan's Batman films aren't in the DCCU because it was something they decided on after the first Nolan film had already released. Also, Tim wasn't Nightwing, that was Di.ck. Kelly being in the movie adds to my point that Tim would have already been Robin and reached the point where in Batman Beyond The Joker has kidnapped and changed him. In this new DCCU the suit we're seeing will be Tim's not Jason's and the Joker we see in SS will turn out to be Tim after The Joker got him. That will all be revealed later in later films and we'll see The Joker in a brief clip at the end of SS or in the next movie. According to how the theory is laid out mind you

When I say progress I mean Batflecks universe, he has been Batman for years, that's what I meant and sorry, I get confuse with the robins but you get the point.

They already confimred Affleck will play Batman in a trilogy so I don't know about this beyond stuff being possible. As for the Joker being a robin I dislike the theory.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ah yes, the comics and movie obviously have indentical designs. Because, that's how Joker looks in the comics too, right?

 

[chopstickchakra]

When I say progress I mean Batflecks universe, he has been Batman for years, that's what I meant and sorry, I get confuse with the robins but you get the point.

They already confimred Affleck will play Batman in a trilogy so I don't know about this beyond stuff being possible. As for the Joker being a robin I dislike the theory.

I agree the Robin/Joker theory isn't my favorite idea but it has precedent and I do like it a lot more than Jared Letto's look being the look of the DCCU Joker. The Batman Beyond stuff probably won't happen in the sense of Terry McGuiness being Batman, it'll still be Bruce in the DCCU but I think they might incorporate some of the stories for Terry(like this story with Tim and The Joker).

As for the Robins it's
Di.ck Grayson who becomes Nightwing, then Batman, then back to Nightwing when Bruce returns.
Jason Todd who is "killed" by Joker and comes back as Red Hood
Tim Drake who becomes Red Robin
Stephanie Brown who stepped in for Tim for a period and became the Spoiler
Damien Wayne who is Bruce's kid
Carrie Kelley who is in The Dark Kniht Returns which BvS is supposed to be based off of(lightly as no movie ever sticks to the story)

If they were to mix the two TDKR and BB:RotJ the timelines would still work out fine for it to be Tim

 

[chopstickchakra]

Ah yes, the comics and movie obviously have indentical designs. Because, that's how Joker looks in the comics too, right?

Actually, I guess this thread does link back to the other more than I thought. There's a theory around(that I've since found out I'm late about finding out) that says Jared Letto's Joker in SS may actually be the same person who was in the Robin suit that shows up in BvS. And as disappointing to some as it may be it's not that far off actually. There's a Batman Beyond story where Joker tortures and changes Tim into The Joker, and as you said movies and comics don't always have to match, which means they can mix and match some stories freely, like say TDKR and BB:RotJ into this new DCCU. Honestly it's unlikely they'd go that route so early in, but I'd like it slightly more than Letto's design be THE Joker of DCCU. Even if/likely when his performance is great the appearance is still off putting, I'd rather deal with this roundabout story of Letto's Joker being Drake and The Joker pulling his strings from behind the scenes.

 

[RedRobin]

As we know movies take advantages with and mix stories. There's the Batman Beyond movie Return of The Joker where he kidnaps and tortures Tim Drake and makes him into The Joker.

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This movie could just as easily be going off that story and using the "common" knowledge of Jason to misdirect leading into the movie. It could be Jason but I feel an argument can be made that it's Tim's suit.



From what I understand Nolan's Batman films aren't in the DCCU because it was something they decided on after the first Nolan film had already released. Also, Tim wasn't Nightwing, that was Di.ck. Kelly being in the movie adds to my point that Tim would have already been Robin and reached the point where in Batman Beyond The Joker has kidnapped and changed him. In this new DCCU the suit we're seeing will be Tim's not Jason's and the Joker we see in SS will

Yeah true but I just don't see them going in that direction over Jason Todd. Its just iconic and everyone has been waiting for this story in live action.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yeah true but I just don't see them going in that direction over Jason Todd. Its just iconic and everyone has been waiting for this story in live action.

Don't get me wrong I'd love for the Death in the Family story to get a movie over the Batman Beyond/Tim Drake story but even if it turns out to be Jason's suit we're still not getting to see that story on film since it's after the fact and all. If we want to see Death in the Family in film we're still gonna have to wait regardless of whose suit it ends up being(I'm pretty sure)

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

IMO Tim Drake just isn't as interesting as Jason.....i rather see them doing red hood(jason of course) with joker and a cameo from ra's as one the batman stand alone movie.....