"But Gaara killed people yet he was forgiven" - Going ham

[Despair]

Yubel, its so sad that you spent so much time writing such an interesting thread yet missed something so obvious.
I applaud you for this thread, its good. However.

Sasuke was controlled by the Uchiha Fate. The brain problem the Uchiha have. Having too much Emotion, it was shown a few chapters ago.

Sasuke could not control his actions, his life was destined to be this way.
However, I will not completely disagree with you.
IF Naruto and the others don't know this yet, that Sasuke was being controlled by Fate. Then why are they accepting him? This is where I agree with you Yubel.

 

[saw2097]

I agree with you.

But I do believe that eventually there will be consequences for what Sasuke has done, but that will come up later.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Wow, you're being biased. Leaving out Sasuke's side? I'll show you the full truth. Corrected.

Gaara:
>Felt alone

>Wanted acceptance

>Can't feel physical pain cuz sand shields him(straight from his mothers coochie)

>Mom's brother let him feel he is not alone

>Mom's brother tried to kill him

>He kills mom's brother unknowingly

>Mom's brother tell him he's a monster before dying

>Loses it

>Need a purpose

>Alone and hated

>Called a monster

>Finds answer: Lives to kill Kills people that had nothing to do with him, at all. People who didn't even know he was jinchuriki.

>Becomes a weapon for his village

>Later found he was not alone

>Put in work(like a baws)

>Became accepted

>Became Kazekage

>Became a hero

And note that the only time he never did something unacceptable and him being "forgiven" was simply the peace treaty between both villages because Orochimaru was the one pulling the strings by killing their Kazekage and acting as him.

Sasuke:
>Brother kills clan

>Forces Sasuke to watch it for 72 hours in tsukyomi world, twice.

>Becomes a missing nin(kaput 1)

>Joins the man who killed a kazekage, hokage, konoha and is a missing nin himself(kaput 2)

>Lives for revenge Due to the fact his whole family was wiped out.

>Defeats 5 s-rank criminals; Deidara, Orochimaru (Though he brought him back), Itachi, helped defeat Kabuto, and killed white zetsu

>Kills his brother A missing ninja that was wanted by Konoha for the genocide of their strongest clan.

>Finds he was ordered

>Joins a criminal organization(kaput 3)

>Tries to capture a jinchuriki and gets spotted, sets off what could trigger a war between konoha and kumo(kaput 4) Gaara was going to kill anyone he could in the chunin exams. If he could kill HIruzen, he would've. That could start a war too.

>Kage summit happens as a counter measure to akatsuki

>Shows up, kills many samurai and the hokage, takes an arm of the raikage, refuse an offer from Gaara pleading it's not too late yet, says his only goal is in darkness and gets labeled an international criminal(kaput 5) To be fair, yes. That's bad. But let's be honest here, Raikage was trying to kill Sasuke because he thought Sasuke killed his brother. Sasuke tried to kill Danzo because he ordered his brother to destroy his whole family. HM?

>Tries to kill his teammates(kaput 6) Gaara has threatened to kill his teammates a lot.

Also, Sasuke vs Naruto, yes Sasuke tried to kill him.

When Sasuke was first shown in shippuden, Team Yamato was trying to capture and kidnap him to go back to a place he didn't want to be. You honestly think Sasuke wouldn't fight back?

And don't get me started on when he tried to kill Sakura. She tried to kill him too, so did Kakashi. The only one who didn't try to kill him was Naruto.

>His same organization starts a world war where the leader of the group wants world domination(kaput 7) Yeah, he also saved it by:
1. Helping defeat Kabuto and stop edo tensei; which, btw, Ohnoki said, "Whoever stopped edo tensei is a hero!" So he and Itachi are heroes.

2. Came with The four edo kages to save the alliance's ass. He and Oro are heroes here.

>Comes to warfield claiming to be on their side, says he gonna become hokage.(I thought I was reading a parody Lol, me too a bit. XD)

So is Sasuke like Gaara? Yes.

Amaterasuice, out.

 

[HadouKage]

Wow, you're being biased. Leaving out Sasuke's side? I'll show you the full truth. Corrected.

Gaara:
>Felt alone

>Wanted acceptance

>Can't feel physical pain cuz sand shields him(straight from his mothers coochie)

>Mom's brother let him feel he is not alone

>Mom's brother tried to kill him

>He kills mom's brother unknowingly

>Mom's brother tell him he's a monster before dying

>Loses it

>Need a purpose

>Alone and hated

>Called a monster

>Finds answer: Lives to kill Kills people that had nothing to do with him, at all. People who didn't even know he was jinchuriki.

>Becomes a weapon for his village

>Later found he was not alone

>Put in work(like a baws)

>Became accepted

>Became Kazekage

>Became a hero

And note that the only time he never did something unacceptable and him being "forgiven" was simply the peace treaty between both villages because Orochimaru was the one pulling the strings by killing their Kazekage and acting as him.

Sasuke:
>Brother kills clan

>Forces Sasuke to watch it for 72 hours in tsukyomi world, twice.

>Becomes a missing nin(kaput 1)

>Joins the man who killed a kazekage, hokage, konoha and is a missing nin himself(kaput 2)

>Lives for revenge Due to the fact his whole family was wiped out.

>Defeats 5 s-rank criminals; Deidara, Orochimaru (Though he brought him back), Itachi, helped defeat Kabuto, and killed white zetsu

>Kills his brother A missing ninja that was wanted by Konoha for the genocide of their strongest clan.

>Finds he was ordered

>Joins a criminal organization(kaput 3)

>Tries to capture a jinchuriki and gets spotted, sets off what could trigger a war between konoha and kumo(kaput 4) Gaara was going to kill anyone he could in the chunin exams. If he could kill HIruzen, he would've. That could start a war too.

>Kage summit happens as a counter measure to akatsuki

>Shows up, kills many samurai and the hokage, takes an arm of the raikage, refuse an offer from Gaara pleading it's not too late yet, says his only goal is in darkness and gets labeled an international criminal(kaput 5) To be fair, yes. That's bad. But let's be honest here, Raikage was trying to kill Sasuke because he thought Sasuke killed his brother. Sasuke tried to kill Danzo because he ordered his brother to destroy his whole family. HM?

>Tries to kill his teammates(kaput 6) Gaara has threatened to kill his teammates a lot.

Also, Sasuke vs Naruto, yes Sasuke tried to kill him.

When Sasuke was first shown in shippuden, Team Yamato was trying to capture and kidnap him to go back to a place he didn't want to be. You honestly think Sasuke wouldn't fight back?

And don't get me started on when he tried to kill Sakura. She tried to kill him too, so did Kakashi. The only one who didn't try to kill him was Naruto.

>His same organization starts a world war where the leader of the group wants world domination(kaput 7) Yeah, he also saved it by:
1. Helping defeat Kabuto and stop edo tensei; which, btw, Ohnoki said, "Whoever stopped edo tensei is a hero!" So he and Itachi are heroes.

2. Came with The four edo kages to save the alliance's ass. He and Oro are heroes here.

>Comes to warfield claiming to be on their side, says he gonna become hokage.(I thought I was reading a parody Lol, me too a bit. XD)

So is Sasuke like Gaara? Yes.

Amaterasuice, out.

No... Itachi stopped Edo, Sasuke doesn't have Izanami.
And I thought Gaara was raised to be a killing machine, kinda different when a demon beast inside of you is controlling your actions. Also Gaara was told he wasn't loved by his mom after her death. I don't think they are the same

 

[Johndoesknowall]

No... Itachi stopped Edo, Sasuke doesn't have Izanami.
And I thought Gaara was raised to be a killing machine, kinda different when a demon beast inside of you is controlling your actions. Also Gaara was told he wasn't loved by his mom after her death. I don't think they are the same

Dude Itachi couldn't do it without Sasuke. Itachi needed time to activate it, If Sasuke wasn't there Kabuto would of put Itachi back under his control. Both Sasuke and Itachi helped to stop kabuto. So both stopped edo. Don't just say Itachi did everything.

 

[apsri]

I completely agree. THANK YOU FOR THIS POST.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Gaara killed bcos thats all he knew,literarily. Once he saw naruto,he changed.

Sasuke on the other hand,had several shots and messed them up

Sasuke and Gaara's situation is different. Gaara didn't change when he seen Naruto. Naruto had to defeat him in order for him to listen. I believe it will be the same with Sasuke. Until Naruto beats Sasuke, Sasuke won't acknowledge him. Plus Gaara didn't kill because that's all he knew, he choose to kill cause he went psycho and need a purpose to live. Gaara knew the love of the person who cared for him in the village, once he killed him then he went haywire.

 

[HadouKage]

Dude Itachi couldn't do it without Sasuke. Itachi needed time to activate it, If Sasuke wasn't there Kabuto would of put Itachi back under his control. Both Sasuke and Itachi helped to stop kabuto. So both stopped edo. Don't just say Itachi did everything.

No Itachi = No Izanami
And consider the major plot no jutsu's that's been happening, who knows if Itachi needed Sasuke anyway

 

[Johndoesknowall]

I agree with you.

But I do believe that eventually there will be consequences for what Sasuke has done, but that will come up later.

Where is Garaa's consequences? All I see is he was good for 3 years and poof, He's ****ing Kazekage. After all those years of killing other ninja form different villages and almost annihilating konoha. He's Kazekage. Tell me where is his consequences?

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Where's Shelke? I want to see what he has to say about this

OT: Good thread, I hope Sasuke fan(boys) understand the severity of his crimes now

What about Gaara's crimes. It seemed Gaara wasn't even punished by other villages by what he done. Instead he was given Kazekage.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

No Itachi = No Izanami
And consider the major plot no jutsu's that's been happening, who knows if Itachi needed Sasuke anyway

No Sasuke = Controlled Itachi again

Honestly we don't know. but you can't base Itachi stopping edo by himself. Yes he knew Izanami. But Sasuke was there whether ya'll like it or not to help and he did. Both of them helped in there own way. Sasuke held Kabuto off and Itachi released the Jutsu.

 

[apsri]

Where is Garaa's consequences? All I see is he was good for 3 years and poof, He's ****ing Kazekage. After all those years of killing other ninja form different villages and almost annihilating konoha. He's Kazekage. Tell me where is his consequences?

He never betrayed the village. He was a loyal Sand shinobi despite the fact that his own father tried to assassinate him 6 (or whatever) times. And, unlike Sasuke, he has a damn demon in him telling him to kill everyone.

What ninja did he kill? He killed only Sand shinobi that I recall, and the ones he killed during the Chuunin exams were fair game. Not that it was right, but it was nothing illegal.

Attacking Konoha was an order from the "Kazekage". It's like saying that Minato should have been executed because he killed Iwa ninjas. No, just no.

Gaara did a lot of shit, and he had to make up for it. His shit, however, pales in comparison to Sasuke's shit. Gaara never betrayed Suna, did as he was told most of the time, and was, on the whole, a loyal Suna shinobi.

Sasuke willingly joined an S-Rank missing-nin who assassinated the Hokage, the Kazekage, and was a former member of the Akatsuki. He betrayed Konoha, and refused the numerous attempts to bring him back. He joined Akatsuki, an international terrorist organisation, kidnapped B, the Raikage's brother, and almost triggered a war between Konoha and Kumo. This on top of the fact that he pretty much assassinated the Hokage (Danzo).

Yeah. Gaara's crimes pale in comparison to Sasuke's.

 

[genii96]

Sasuke and Gaara's situation is different. Gaara didn't change when he seen Naruto. Naruto had to defeat him in order for him to listen. I believe it will be the same with Sasuke. Until Naruto beats Sasuke, Sasuke won't acknowledge him. Plus Gaara didn't kill because that's all he knew, he choose to kill cause he went psycho and need a purpose to live. Gaara knew the love of the person who cared for him in the village, once he killed him then he went haywire.

naruto's victory over gaara didnt change him,he saw how naruto fought for his friends despite being a jin hust like himself,which caused him to rethink his actions.

Gaara didnt intentionally hurt anyone prior to yashamaru attacking him,the shukaku was too much and unstable for gaara to control and so his powers fluctuated thus resulting n him accudentally killing people,yashamaru was the only one who cared for him,and then tried to kill him,that finally broke him and he turned into psyco gaara.

Sasuke had naruto throughout,they had missions together and even at their fight at VoTE,naruto made it clear his feelibngs of friendship and bringing back sasuke,again afrter their clash in part 2 when sasuke got the ms.

 

[KingHashirama]

The point is that OVER NARUTO?????? HELL NO

Plus, why are you comparing a person who was loyal to his country no matter how he was.. to someone who betrayed his country?

 

[Frikid]

Gaara kills countless chunnins , then says he wants to become kazekage, he become kazekage within 3 years

Sasuke. who has never killed anyone, stops edo tensei, brings back hokages to help in war, killed countless zetsu and even the main one but he doesn't gets to be hokage candidate ??

Your logic = flawed.

 

[KingHashirama]

Gaara kills countless chunnins , then says he wants to become kazekage, he become kazekage within 3 years

Sasuke. who has never killed anyone, stops edo tensei, brings back hokages to help in war, killed countless zetsu and even the main one but he doesn't gets to be hokage candidate ??

Your logic = flawed.

Gaara no matter how much he was hated , stays loyal to Suna


Sasuke with all that love shown to him by his comrades, betrays Konoha.

He killed Zetsu and etc for his own purpose. The purpose of him doing things is whats important.

 

[apsri]

Gaara kills countless chunnins , then says he wants to become kazekage, he become kazekage within 3 years

Sasuke. who has never killed anyone, stops edo tensei, brings back hokages to help in war, killed countless zetsu and even the main one but he doesn't gets to be hokage candidate ??

Your logic = flawed.

You like breaking windows, don't you?

Sasuke has killed many people. He's killed samurai at the Kage Summit, he's kidnapped B, the Raikage's brother. Oh, and just as an aside, he's killed the goddamn Hokage!

He didn't kill the Zetsus to help the Shinobi Alliance. He killed them for the lolz to try out his new EMS powers. Itachi stopped the Edo Tensei, not Sasuke. Sasuke didn't even care about it, he just wanted to chat with Itachi, and only helped him out because Itachi told him he'd talk after beating Kabuto.

The window. It's broken.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

He never betrayed the village. He was a loyal Sand shinobi despite the fact that his own father tried to assassinate him 6 (or whatever) times. And, unlike Sasuke, he has a damn demon in him telling him to kill everyone.

What ninja did he kill? He killed only Sand shinobi that I recall, and the ones he killed during the Chuunin exams were fair game. Not that it was right, but it was nothing illegal.

Attacking Konoha was an order from the "Kazekage". It's like saying that Minato should have been executed because he killed Iwa ninjas. No, just no.

Gaara did a lot of shit, and he had to make up for it. His shit, however, pales in comparison to Sasuke's shit. Gaara never betrayed Suna, did as he was told most of the time, and was, on the whole, a loyal Suna shinobi.

Sasuke willingly joined an S-Rank missing-nin who assassinated the Hokage, the Kazekage, and was a former member of the Akatsuki. He betrayed Konoha, and refused the numerous attempts to bring him back. He joined Akatsuki, an international terrorist organisation, kidnapped B, the Raikage's brother, and almost triggered a war between Konoha and Kumo. This on top of the fact that he pretty much assassinated the Hokage (Danzo).

Yeah. Gaara's crimes pale in comparison to Sasuke's.

Sasuke might not have a demon inside of him but he does have the hate of the Uchiha. Are you an idiot to only think Gaara only killed sand shinobi. It's been said the village put Gaara on many missions, he was used as a killing machine. Tell me where it says he hasn't killed ninja from other villages outside of the chunnin exams.

Gaara has been killing since he was young. He was directly involved with the plot to destroy konoha he has killed his own ninja and others in different villages.

Sasuke did join Orochimaru but in the end he absorbed him. He joined akatsuki but in the end he didn't help at all, matter of fact he fought 2 of them and he didn't kidnap B. Yes, he killed Danzo, a traitor to the leaf and a conspirator. The worst thing sasuke has done was fight his teammates and kill some samurai.

Sasuke might have done some bad but the good he has done out weighs that by alot. The good Sasuke has done not only benefited his village but also others aswell. Gaara's crimes are way worst. Now you say Gaara was being controlled by his tailed beast. but you're wrong. It wasn't all the beast. Coming up with his purpose to live was Gaara's on decision. Killing well that can't be blamed on the beast solely, for it was Gaara who let it and Gaara also participated in it.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

naruto's victory over gaara didnt change him,he saw how naruto fought for his friends despite being a jin hust like himself,which caused him to rethink his actions.

Gaara didnt intentionally hurt anyone prior to yashamaru attacking him,the shukaku was too much and unstable for gaara to control and so his powers fluctuated thus resulting n him accudentally killing people,yashamaru was the only one who cared for him,and then tried to kill him,that finally broke him and he turned into psyco gaara.

Sasuke had naruto throughout,they had missions together and even at their fight at VoTE,naruto made it clear his feelibngs of friendship and bringing back sasuke,again afrter their clash in part 2 when sasuke got the ms.

Dude we're basically saying the same thing about how Gaara changed when he met naruto. Just in different words.

Sasuke did have Naruto but it was different to him. But Sasuke's hate that he was caring wasn't only his own. Naruto couldn't deal with that like Gaara. That's why their different. Naruto didn't understand Sasuke like he understood Gaara and that's why Naruto couldn't bring him back.

 

[apsri]

Sasuke might not have a demon inside of him but he does have the hate of the Uchiha. Are you an idiot to only think Gaara only killed sand shinobi. It's been said the village put Gaara on many missions, he was used as a killing machine. Tell me where it says he hasn't killed ninja from other villages outside of the chunnin exams.

Gaara has been killing since he was young. He was directly involved with the plot to destroy konoha he has killed his own ninja and others in different villages.

Sasuke did join Orochimaru but in the end he absorbed him. He joined akatsuki but in the end he didn't help at all, matter of fact he fought 2 of them and he didn't kidnap B. Yes, he killed Danzo, a traitor to the leaf and a conspirator. The worst thing sasuke has done was fight his teammates and kill some samurai.

Sasuke might have done some bad but the good he has done out weighs that by alot. The good Sasuke has done not only benefited his village but also others aswell. Gaara's crimes are way worst. Now you say Gaara was being controlled by his tailed beast. but you're wrong. It wasn't all the beast. Coming up with his purpose to live was Gaara's on decision. Killing well that can't be blamed on the beast solely, for it was Gaara who let it and Gaara also participated in it.

You do realice that the one making a positive claim is you, not me, right? The burden of proof is on you, not me, to prove that Gaara killed shinobi from other villages illegally.

His killings during his childhood were Shukaku not him. It's specifically shown in the manga how he would be horrified when he gained control again. He was involved in the plot. Yes, he was. He was obeying orders from the Kazekage. EVERYBODY FROM SUNA WAS INVOLVED. It was a war, a direct order from the Kazekage.

He absorbed him to save his own skin. Again, broken window. And he brought him back as well.

He didn't help? His express mission was to destroy Konoha. You know, his home village? He fought Black Zetsu, yes. Not really something to be proud of, since it wasn't for the purpose of helping the Shinobi Alliance. Itachi, well, we found out the truth later on, so killing him is nothing to be proud of. Kabuto, again, broken window. He didn't want to help the Shinobi Alliance. He just wanted to talk with Itachi, who told him he would after he'd beaten Kabuto.

And, like I admitted, Gaara's crimes amount to killing a few Suna shinobi and a few other shinobi during the Chuunin exams. Both are morally wrong, but they're not illegal. He gained Suna's trust, and the shinobi he killed during the Chuunin exams were fair game.