BSM Naruto vs Rinnegan Sasuke (no Rikudo chakra)

[Lariatoo]

War Arc Sasuke
This Sasuke does not posess Rikudo chakra nor the enhancments that comes with it.

Intel: Manga
Restrictions: As stated, Rikudo Chakra. Neither of them have acess to Bijuu chakra (except obviously Kurama for Naruto)
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Scenario 1: War Arc BSM Naruto

Scenario 2: The Last BSM Naruto

 

[NarutoX28]

Quick question, does he possess Hashirama's Ashura Chakra?

 

[KidGamer65]

A Rinnegan not powered by Rikudo's Chakra is pretty much Nagato's Rinnegan, and Nagato's Rinnegan is inferior to Perfect Susanoo, and Naruto can match Sasuke's PS in BM, let alone BSM. He wins, mid diff.

-PS downscales to BM Avatar. BSM Avatar is superior in physical speed, strength and durability.
-Sasuke's PS takes moderate damage from a Bijuu Sized BD, and moderate to heavy damage from a Flash BD, assuming that they are direct hits. He can lessen the damage by a tier if he blocks with his wings, but it doesn't really matter.
-Even if he could use PS Chidori, it'd only stalemate a BD equal to what Full Kurama's standard was, and Naruto casually uses BD larger than that.
-Sword slashes are blocked with tail swipes like in canon.
-Naruto would react to Ameno the same way he did in canon.

Scenario 2 is a low diff since Naruto has 2x the chakra, thus 2x the firepower, and he has the 2 years of growth.

 

[Xlad]

A Rinnegan not powered by Rikudo's Chakra is pretty much Nagato's Rinnegan, and Nagato's Rinnegan is inferior to Perfect Susanoo, and Naruto can match Sasuke's PS in BM, let alone BSM. He wins, mid diff.

-PS downscales to BM Avatar. BSM Avatar is superior in physical speed, strength and durability.
-Sasuke's PS takes moderate damage from a Bijuu Sized BD, and moderate to heavy damage from a Flash BD, assuming that they are direct hits. He can lessen the damage by a tier if he blocks with his wings, but it doesn't really matter.
-Even if he could use PS Chidori, it'd only stalemate a BD equal to what Full Kurama's standard was, and Naruto casually uses BD larger than that.
-Sword slashes are blocked with tail swipes like in canon.
-Naruto would react to Ameno the same way he did in canon.

Scenario 2 is a low diff since Naruto has 2x the chakra, thus 2x the firepower, and he has the 2 years of growth.

Honestly, this. I can't see much of how Rinnegan makes a difference since it would be pretty like how Madara's EMS is superior to his Rinnegan techs.

 

[Omar19992010]

Can Sasuke summon the Gedo Mazo?

 

[Apêx1]

A Rinnegan not powered by Rikudo's Chakra is pretty much Nagato's Rinnegan, and Nagato's Rinnegan is inferior to Perfect Susanoo, and Naruto can match Sasuke's PS in BM, let alone BSM. He wins, mid diff.

-PS downscales to BM Avatar. BSM Avatar is superior in physical speed, strength and durability.
-Sasuke's PS takes moderate damage from a Bijuu Sized BD, and moderate to heavy damage from a Flash BD, assuming that they are direct hits. He can lessen the damage by a tier if he blocks with his wings, but it doesn't really matter.
-Even if he could use PS Chidori, it'd only stalemate a BD equal to what Full Kurama's standard was, and Naruto casually uses BD larger than that.
-Sword slashes are blocked with tail swipes like in canon.
-Naruto would react to Ameno the same way he did in canon.

Scenario 2 is a low diff since Naruto has 2x the chakra, thus 2x the firepower, and he has the 2 years of growth.

Do you not think that Naruto having

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would've contributed to his power at VOTE2? We don't know how much Sasuke took, so saying we know Naruto only took 'little' when the Bijuu's which lost some of their chakra to Sasuke don't look bony or skinny is fallacious. Not sure about this though.

OT: Canonically Rinnegan would be>>>SM boost, but I'm not sure that would be the case feats wise. He'd win with the Gedo though.

 

[Unorthodox]

Tired of Kidgamer weak azz polluting these threads with his nonsense

Sasuke stomps here him at 17 with a v3 susanoo was shown equal to BSM avatar As an adult with Perfect susanoo and rinnegan he gets plastered

A Rinnegan not powered by Rikudo's Chakra is pretty much Nagato's Rinnegan, and Nagato's Rinnegan is inferior to Perfect Susanoo, and Naruto can match Sasuke's PS in BM, let alone BSM. He wins, mid diff.

-PS downscales to BM Avatar. BSM Avatar is superior in physical speed, strength and durability.

So after 17 more years Sasuke perfect susanoo grew no stronger despite his other jutsu like chidori jumping to new scales? this is why you should not debate against this version of Sasuke your to damn dumb.

A rinnegan equal to Nagato's what? Sasuke literally has Hagoromo's rinnegan just without his power meaning its fully mastered has things like ameno Focused Chou shira tensei ends this anyways

 

[KidGamer65]

Do you not think that Naruto having

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would've contributed to his power at VOTE2? We don't know how much Sasuke took, so saying we know Naruto only took 'little' when the Bijuu's which lost some of their chakra to Sasuke don't look bony or skinny is fallacious. Not sure about this though.

OT: Canonically Rinnegan would be>>>SM boost, but I'm not sure that would be the case feats wise. He'd win with the Gedo though.

Nope. First of all, Naruto's mode is Hagoromo's Senjutsu and Kurama. The Bijuu's abilities are supplementary abilities that aren't active until he decides to get some chakra from them. If he doesn't get chakra from them, it's just Kurama and Rikudo Senjutsu powering him up. Not to mention downscaling shows that his Avatar would match Sasuke's before the boost, and that wouldn't be possible if Naruto was getting a boost from the Bijuu too. Second of all,

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, meaning that Sasuke took far more than Naruto received.

Sasuke stomps here him at 17 with a v3 susanoo was shown equal to BSM avatar As an adult with Perfect susanoo and rinnegan he gets plastered

Lmao. Tired of unorthodox wanking off to Sasuke so hard that he forgets to read the OP. Tired of unorthodox not being able to form a real argument even if his life had depended on it.

War Arc Sasuke

OP. Read it. This whole post of yours has even been addressed in past debates. Smh. Keep fighting the good fight though pal.

A rinnegan equal to Nagato's what? Sasuke literally has Hagoromo's rinnegan just without his power meaning its fully mastered has things like ameno Focused Chou shira tensei ends this anyways

Who gives a damn? Lol. Nagato had Madara's Rinnegan, yet Madara's usage of it shits on Nagato's. Piss poor logic sonny boy.

 

[Apêx1]

Nope. First of all, Naruto's mode is Hagoromo's Senjutsu and Kurama. The Bijuu's abilities are supplementary abilities that aren't active until he decides to get some chakra from them. If he doesn't get chakra from them, it's just Kurama and Rikudo Senjutsu powering him up. Not to mention downscaling shows that his Avatar would match Sasuke's before the boost, and that wouldn't be possible if Naruto was getting a boost from the Bijuu too. Second of all,

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, meaning that Sasuke took far more than Naruto received.

Makes sense. Sasuke loses then without Gedo.

 

[Apêx1]

Nope. First of all, Naruto's mode is Hagoromo's Senjutsu and Kurama. The Bijuu's abilities are supplementary abilities that aren't active until he decides to get some chakra from them. If he doesn't get chakra from them, it's just Kurama and Rikudo Senjutsu powering him up. Not to mention downscaling shows that his Avatar would match Sasuke's before the boost, and that wouldn't be possible if Naruto was getting a boost from the Bijuu too. Second of all,

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, meaning that Sasuke took far more than Naruto received.

Makes sense. Sasuke probably loses then, even though the Rinnegan would be much more effective at this level imo.

 

[Lariatoo]

Quick question, does he possess Hashirama's Ashura Chakra?

Nope.

 

[NarutoX28]

Nope.

Then he doesn't have the Rinnegan.

In which case, I do think BSM Naruto holds the advantage due to at least being capable of using one clone with Kurama Avatar as shown against Obito and the Juubi.

 

[Lariatoo]

To be honest, I would prefer if Sasuke lost his Indra chakra and Naruto lost his RSM...
They are just too OP with it and it just get boring after a while with no real threat.

 

[Lariatoo]

Then he doesn't have the Rinnegan.

In which case, I do think BSM Naruto holds the advantage due to at least being capable of using one clone with Kurama Avatar as shown against Obito and the Juubi.

Couldn't the Senju DNA itself in combination with his Uchiha body give him the Rinnegan? Either way this is just an hypothetical situation with a Rinnegan Sasuke whitout Ootsuki chakra...

 

[Seventh Sama]

Naruto wins both.

 

[NarutoX28]

Couldn't the Senju DNA itself in combination with his Uchiha body give him the Rinnegan? Either way this is just an hypothetical situation with a Rinnegan Sasuke whitout Ootsuki chakra...

Well yeah considering the Senju DNA contains Hashirama's Ashura Chakra and Sasuke's Uchiha DNA contains Indra's Chakra.

In which case, I'd give it to Sasuke based on him gaining a higher quality of Chakra thanks to the awakening of Sage Chakra. It wouldn't be a massive boost, but I'd figure it'd be enough to Sasuke the edge in the fight.

 

[Unorthodox]

Nope. First of all, Naruto's mode is Hagoromo's Senjutsu and Kurama. The Bijuu's abilities are supplementary abilities that aren't active until he decides to get some chakra from them. If he doesn't get chakra from them, it's just Kurama and Rikudo Senjutsu powering him up. Not to mention downscaling shows that his Avatar would match Sasuke's before the boost, and that wouldn't be possible if Naruto was getting a boost from the Bijuu too. Second of all,

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, meaning that Sasuke took far more than Naruto received.



Lmao. Tired of unorthodox wanking off to Sasuke so hard that he forgets to read the OP. Tired of unorthodox not being able to form a real argument even if his life had depended on it.



OP. Read it. This whole post of yours has even been addressed in past debates. Smh. Keep fighting the good fight though pal.



Who gives a damn? Lol. Nagato had Madara's Rinnegan, yet Madara's usage of it shits on Nagato's. Piss poor logic sonny boy.

o war arc Sasuke lucky man even then Sasuke still wins though

 

[KidGamer65]

o war arc Sasuke lucky man even then Sasuke still wins though

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[ARGUS]

BM naruto would mid/high diff this sasuke
BSM naruto low diffs.

PS slashes were pathetic to the BM avatar, let alone BSM, meaning sasuke has no chance of hurting naruto apart from PS chidori which not only needs direct contact with the avatar but its only on par with a standard TBB from BM avatar, which does jack shit
and coming right on narutos face means that sasukes PS gets manhandled by the senjutsu avatar, so its getting him nowhere

SM powered flash TBB heavily damages sasukes PS, and naruto can spam his TBB throughout the battle,
2 TBB from regular kurama peeled off the left side of sasukes PS, now we have much stronger TBB, which naruto can make much larger. and its obvious sasukes PS gets shat on

Ameno gets reacted to BM naruto through down scaling, BSM naruto does it with piss ease, every other rinnegan tech is useless
CT gets eradicated, or broken through, whilst CST is tanked by little damage

sasuke stands no chance

 

[Unorthodox]

BM naruto would mid/high diff this sasuke
BSM naruto low diffs.
PS slashes were pathetic to the BM avatar, let alone BSM, meaning sasuke has no chance of hurting naruto apart from PS chidori which not only needs direct contact with the avatar but its only on par with a standard TBB from BM avatar, which does jack shit
and coming right on narutos face means that sasukes PS gets manhandled by the senjutsu avatar, so its getting him nowhere
SM powered flash TBB heavily damages sasukes PS, and naruto can spam his TBB throughout the battle,
2 TBB from regular kurama peeled off the left side of sasukes PS, now we have much stronger TBB, which naruto can make much larger. and its obvious sasukes PS gets shat on
Ameno gets reacted to BM naruto through down scaling, BSM naruto does it with piss ease, every other rinnegan tech is useless
CT gets eradicated, or broken through, whilst CST is tanked by little damage
sasuke stands no chance

Fixed..........