BSM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke
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Sasuke wins. His Complete Susanoo grew to be around the same level his Perfect Susanoo would normally be at with the Yin Yang Kurama Cloak. If his PS was boosted that much, plus Senjutsu, there is no way is BSM Naruto is taking him down, especially when they'd be physical equals w/ just Jugo's Senjutsu boost.
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What if Naruto collected Natural Energy /w his Kurama avatar? (I dunno if he was able to do it at that time)
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Only Rikudo Naruto can do that. BSM is limited to the amount of Senjutsu we've always seen him use.
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No way in hell is Naruto taking out PS x6 (at the very least) in power. Not a chance.
BSM Naruto >>> EMS Sasuke w/ Juugo's senjutsu boost, they are not equals at all
Before I explain my opinion mind showing me the scan that supports that Yin Yang Kurama cloak would boost Sasuke's PS x6?
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Never said they were equals, only physical equals, and that is a fact. Sasuke's V3 Susanoo after getting Naruto's boost is around the same level as his PS, and it shown equal speed and durability (Bodily) with the Sage Kurama Avatar.
RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke's Avatars showed to be equal in speed, strength, and durability at VoTE. Take Rikudo's powers away, and Sasuke's PS is either physical equals with the BM Avatar or the BSM Avatar, it all depends on whether or not Naruto's RSM reverts to BM or normal BSM if you were to take Hagoromo's power away on the spot....either it way it proves my main point.
Even if PS=BM Avatar in physical ability, give Sasuke a Senjutsu Boost, and he's bumped up to BSM level. (In physical ability)
Nor is the gap anywhere as large as what you are implying even if we talk about overall strength.
-Kakashi got a boost from Kurama's chakra. 3x boost.
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-Kurama and Naruto's cloak is stated to be much stronger in the above scan.
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-Yin Yang Cloak>>Yang Cloak.
-Complete Susanoo went from the level we normally see it at, to a level where it can match Naruto's Avatar in physical ability, and only Sasuke's regular PS can do that.
Naruto w/ Kurama's chakra has way more chakra than Sasuke does, chakra with which Naruto can use to balance a huge amount of senjutsu. Sasuke doesn't have that amount of chakra which he can use to balance senjutsu with, so Naruto can infuse his attacks with way more senjutsu than Sasuke has in his PS. Which tips the balance in Naruto's favor seeing that massive bijuudamas with lots of senjutsu chakra would bust through PS infused with less senjutsu.
You're right that PS and Kurama avatar are equals in terms of physical durability and speed but Naruto's offense is too much for PS to handle with only Juugo's added boost (will talk about Yin-yang boost later on in this post so bear with me). Multiple, massive, senjutsu enhanced bijuudama explosions would plow through Sasuke's PS even if it's infused with Juugo's senjutsu. But I'm sure you already know this.
If you think the bolded is true then why did you say BSM Naruto beats EMS Sasuke and Bee fusion even with Juugo's senjutsu giving PS a senjutsu boost and bijuudamas above normal size being restricted?
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Kakashi's chakra being boosted about 3x its original level doesn't equate to everyone receiving a kyubi cloak getting their chakra powered up x3. Correct me if I'm wrong but kyubi cloaks don't multiply chakra level, they add to it. Think of it in numbers, let's say Kakashi's chakra = 5, Sasuke's chakra = 20. If Kyubi cloak boosts Kakashi's chakra to the point where it is 3x as strong (that would be a 15), that means only 10 chakra was added. So if Sasuke gets the same boost (+10 chakra) that would make his boosted chakra 30, not 60. Yin Yang claok is obviously > Yang cloak but it clearly won't multiply Sasuke's power x6.
@Bold, sorry can you show me where that happened? I skimmed through certain parts of the war arc so I don't remember exactly when that happened.
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When we were taking about this awhile back you agreed with me that this Sasuke would practically be equal to BM Naruto with the exception of Flash Bijudama.
Either way, the boost isn't big enough to get through tails that negated V1 Juubi's Bijudama. Even if you want to debate that, after getting the tails get a Senjutsu boost is out of the question. The same scenario goes for Flash Bijudama v PS durability.
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Naruto having more chakra than Sasuke isn't going to make his Senjutsu attacks stronger, nor does the logic of Bijuu Dama having more Senjutsu than PS mean that PS isn't strong enough to tank. Naruto having more chakra also doesn't mean that his attacks automatically have more Senjutsu than Susanoo, considering Susanoo is made up of MUCH more chakra than any of Naruto's Bijuu Dama. Nothing short of a Flash Bijuu Dama is even worth mentioning here after all these boost, and then there's the fact that Sasuke's Susanoo should be fast enough to evade considering it'll have the overwhelming speed and strength advantage after the boost.
Naturally. Only Flash Bijuu Dama though.
There is a gap. Never denied that, it's just not large enough for Naruto to be able to take Sasuke out after getting another massive power up on top of Senjutsu. Not to mention B doesn't add enough.
So no, my opinions aren't conflicting.
Except it didn't boost his chakra to 3x it's original level. It boosted the strength of his
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by 3x it's original strength, so jutsu are boosted by 3x. Same goes for Susanoo. Kyuubi cloaks massively boost the power of the wielder's Ninjutsu, they don't do so by adding chakra to their reserves, not sure where that came from, but more chakra=/=Stronger Jutsu, so that invalidates your numerical comparison. So yes, the boost is going to multiply his Susanoo's power by at least 6x, which shouldn't be surprising given the jump in power from his Legged Susanoo. Not to mention your numerical comparison doesn't make sense if you take the difference in his Susanoo's power before and after the boost.
I explained it above. BM Avatar and PS are physical equals if you scale down from VoTE 2 Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke's amped Senjutsu Susanoo and the BSM Avatar were shown to be physical equals, meaning a normal amped Susanoo should be around Sasuke's PS's level.
That was before I realized that his V3 Susanoo was practically PS leveled after the boost, and that was before I saw PS go up against the Kurama Avatar. Applying that same boost to an actual PS and then adding Senjutsu on top of it completely changes things.
PS already cuts Mountains. Take that power, give it a boost of a cloak that'd multiply it's power well over 6x and then add Senjutsu on top, which does more than just double the power of Ninjutsu. Naruto's cloak took that laser, but lost 6 tails in the process. Sasuke not being able to take it out with enough hits is highly unlikely, with or without it's Senjutsu.
Doesn't help Naruto that Sasuke has the overwhelming speed, durability and strength advantage due to the boost, so if they fought in CQC, he'd smack him around. Not to mention he'd probably be fast enough to evade Bijuu Dama. (DB also says PS can fly, which only helps his mobility here)
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explosion isn't too much smaller (if at all) than half of the
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All you need to do is compare the explosion to the Mountains and the sea below, and based on that, the former explosion seems bigger, unless I'm doing something wrong. There's no way Sasuke's PS, after getting an over 6x boost, is going to be one shotted by a Flash Bijuu Dama, not when the gap between VoTe Madara and Hashirama's clash and Flash Bijuu Dama is much smaller than the gap between Madara's PS, and Sasuke's enhanced PS.Not to mention the Juubi's Laser couldn't obliterate Naruto's cloak in one shot. With a 6x, at least, chakra cloak boost and a Senjutsu boost on top of that, Sasuke's Susanoo's durability is FAR above Naruto's Kurama Avatars even if we take the tails into account, and there is no way that Naruto can obliterate his own Avatar w/ his Flash Bijuu Dama if the Juubi's Laser failed to do so let alone a much more durable construct.
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