[VS] BSM Naruto vs Double MS Obito .

[ARGUS]

lol what?

Did you just deny KCM/BM naruto of sensing skills?

Do you realize that naruto's sensory skills was the key to the war?

He didn't use sm you know...?

KCM/BM sensing is based on emotions, its different to SM sensing where they can sense chakrra,,, the reason why only naruto was able to depict the zetsus from the humans was because he could sense the negative EMOTIONS,

another explanation as why KCM Naruto couldnt sense properly is against nagato when he got against the chameleon and couldnt locate it at all

In sensing?

No that was jus in terms of power

And there is no such thing as sensing pressure from kamui, that's just fan fic bull that people come up with.

Yes, there is a chakra built up from the long range kamui, it requires charge up time, similar to amaterasu but the time span isnt that long, furthermore, since there is a chakra built up for the long range kamui, naruto would be able to sense the warp and would have more than enough time to counter it,,,

as for ur statement, here are some scans as to why kakashis long range kamui requires charge up time,,

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Kakashi explicitly stated that his kamui wont make it in time, now we all know that kamui is much faster than TBB, however the fact that kakashi needed to charge up his long range kamui is why it requires some chakra built up,,

another time is when kakashi ripped the GM arm off,,
here is the are the scans:

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in the first scan, kakashi cllearly had to concentrate his chakra, and had built it effectively in-order to set the void up,, as the void was set up after the chakra concentration,,,


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from these 4 scans, we can cllearly see that kakashi not only needed to concentrate his chakra to accuurately aim the kamui but during that built up, the void of the kamui also needed to be said,
despite his lack of aim during this time,, his kamui would still operate the same way as obito, where the chakra built up is needed to set the void up, and from then the jutsu is near instant,

so in concllusion, NO, i am not cllaiming ''fanfic bullshit'' by stating that LONG range kamui requires chakra built up

Kcm naruto didn't sense Obito until he was completely out of dimensions and same with minato.

Obitos kamui is different from kakashi, so i dont know what you are trying to state here, when i have explicity stated only for the long range

During their first fight it was k11 vs. Obito and they all got the info from that last fight.

Even with this knowledge he got from Kakashi and Sakura, he still couldn't touch him without Kakashi.

they didnt know shit about obitos kamui when K11 fought him during the itachi pursuit arc,
kakashi and sakura didnt manage to find anythinng at all,,
besides that naruto is different from BSM,, its llike comparing kid obito to juubito,

Which he was right on, so what is BSM naruto going to do?

It's the Sam as BM naruto, just that this one has sagemode chakra.

That will only help against Obito's Inyouton or kamui stakes.


Uhm....because they are virtually the same? 0_o

No they are not,
is Base Naruto the same as SM naruto to you,,,
now add the SM amplifiication to BM naruto, and we have a naruto who has much better sensing skills, and reflexes, along with his offense and durability being buffed up by SM,
so NO, they are not the same,

This is double mangekyo, keep that in mind.

Except that double kamui increases his speed, as revealed against Madara's fastes move.

So all of Obito's kamui variants are faster than BSM naruto.

Obito already deciphered and destroy naruto's clones in his second fight (rinnegan Obito)

So that's not going to help...

@Bold - loll Obito didnt decipher any clones,, he doesnt have that ability,, and here is a scan where he couldnt,

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madara never used any of his fastest moves such as Limbo or RH against obito since he needed his rinnegan which obito possessed at that time,, so ur point is moott,,
he also stated tht llimbo is faster than kamui

Bm naruto would get his @ss kicked by Tobirama and Minato.

Minato has fought a full yin yang kyuubi, he subdued it fairly well at that too.

Bm naruto nearly got killed by a kamui stake, BSM naruto will be no different.

Ms Obito kicks BSM naruto's @ss too.

Madara and Sasuke don't have s/t, and double mangekyo Obito is way faster than Madara.

RSM naruto wouldn't even come close to double mangekyo's speed.

Get real, there's a reason why he needed Obito's help.

--@Bold - neither minato nor tobirama have any way of hurting narutos kurama avatar,, and they would be constantly gang raped by his KB with fast enough speeds to begin with, who are firing off several FRS/COFRS aannd rasegan barrages, along with naruto firing TBBs with AOE that will shit on their FTG,,,

--Kushina subdued the kyuubi not minato, and minato died after sealing it,,

--Bm naruto getting killed by kamui stake,, scans please

--Base Naruto managed to evade Limbo,, RSM Naruto would poop on Double Mangekyo,

 

[lucario14]

Kamui snipe

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[TRE MERCER]

No he does have to become tangible and appear in the real dimension,, in-order to connnect the warp with naruto, if he proceeds to attack naruto, whilst he is intangible then he and his attacks will simply phase through, similar to how many attacks phased through obito, due to both entities being in the different dimensions

and yes, i am well aware that obito cant be ssenssed if his whole body is intangible and sent to the kamui dimension, however his kamui warps are sensed, due to their chakra built up


No he didnt, only in SM he had any sensing skills against Obito,


BSM >>> SM, and BSM =/= SM, ur statment is invalid here,
besides i have only stated the sensing part for the long range kamui since the requires chakra built up



No he didnt, throughout their battle, it was kakashi who was trying to figure out the exact mechanics of obitos kamui,


Their battle never ended, since iit got interrupted, however the moment they figured out intel on obitos kamui, obitoo wouldve most likkely lost


I dont know why you are bringing BM naruto here when i/and the thread are talking about BSM naruto


No.


Only the fact is that obito needs to become tangible in-order to connect his attacks to naruto, he would also need to have his eye in the real dimension,, since both the entiities need to be in the same dimension in-order to attack each other,,
furthermore, the manga has made it clear that obito needs to manifest physically in-order to attack naruto through kamui,


Only his phasing speed surpassses naruto, his attacking speed is countered since naruto can sense the chakra built up and act prior to the attack, as well as send his KB (which obito cant decipher) to outnumber obito and attack him the moment he becomes tangible to attack,

and NO. Obito cant stay intangible and attack naruto, since the attak needs to connect, and both of the bodies need to be in the same dimension for that to happen


BM Naruto alone would wreck Minato/Tobirama,
BSM Naruto defeats MS Obito
RSM Naruto would laugh at all S/T users bar Madara/Sasuke

Did you forget Kamui is one jutsu? That is why he can't warp people while he's intangible with one eye. It's would be like someone trying to use Susanoo while already inside there susanoo. He can see people while he intangible therefore he can snipe. Why because Kamui warps space and time it's self. That is the entire point of saying dual Kamui. How is he going to avoid a long-range Kamui that is twice as fast anyways? Naruto speed in BSM is so inconsistent.

 

[silmarill]

Double MS Obito is above anyone bar Kaguya, Juubi Jins and currents Naru/Sas

 

[Kagustuchi]

Obito wank is definitely going through the roof.

Naruto takes this Mid Diff.​

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[VongolaX]

ok, then

Ms Obito with senju DNA -> BM Naruto has chance to win as Obito fought Naruto as Rinnegan Obito not MS Obito. Yet only as KCM Naruto he was almost caought by Obito, then Kakashi and Gai entered

uhm well no, he just used his kamui during that whole enter battle.

Even the chapter was titled was called One justu:

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Not a single rinnegan technique was wasted on BM naruto, Gai, Kakashi, and bee all together.

He dominated them with Kamui alone:

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Rinnegan Obito with senju DNA -> BSM Naruto has same chance as Rinnegan Obito. Nature energy mixed in his chakra nulify Rinnegan of Obito, then alone one-eyed MS Obito is not enough

Seems like you like to make up some justus, so I'll just show you whant MS and Rinnegan Obito can do to end all bijuus in a fight:

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If not for bee shielding him, he would of been one-shotted in BM mode

If it wasn't for kakashi, he would of been one shot here:

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Now if Obito decides to fight seriously and use other techniques, he would destroy BSM naruto with these:

chakra absorption:

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chakra/bijuu removal:

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Something that Rikudou Madara couldn't stop himself, so BSM naruto wouldn't stand a chance.

Rikudou Obito with senju DNA -> Obito wins unless RSM Naruto(Current)
Double ms Obito with senju DNA -> Obito and BSM Naruto has equal chance of win.

fixed for you

Rikudou Obito beats BSM naruto low diff you know that

Rikudou Obito also beats RSM naruto too with high diff

He only has rikudo sennin mode, while Rikudou Obito has rikudou sennin mode, rinnegan, Infinite Tsukyomi, and the mokuton gensis tree.

Double MS Obito is yet to accomplish something, so no legit conclusions can be made.

 

[VongolaX]

KCM/BM sensing is based on emotions, its different to SM sensing where they can sense chakrra,,, the reason why only naruto was able to depict the zetsus from the humans was because he could sense the negative EMOTIONS,

His sensing abilities are so advance that they can sense hostility in opponents:

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Even Kisame noted that it is the most advance form of sensing:

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another explanation as why KCM Naruto couldnt sense properly is against nagato when he got against the chameleon and couldnt locate it at all

He didn't need to change into a sensor type, since nagato was right there.

He didn't even have time to react to anything, so that statment is invalid.

No that was jus in terms of power

???

Yes, there is a chakra built up from the long range kamui, it requires charge up time, similar to amaterasu but the time span isnt that long, furthermore, since there is a chakra built up for the long range kamui, naruto would be able to sense the warp and would have more than enough time to counter it,,,

Again with your consistant bull

I request a scan, because I'm yet to see this chakra build up. because it failed to work here:

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as for ur statement, here are some scans as to why kakashis long range kamui requires charge up time,,

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Kakashi explicitly stated that his kamui wont make it in time, now we all know that kamui is much faster than TBB, however the fact that kakashi needed to charge up his long range kamui is why it requires some chakra built up,,

Kakashi needed to chgarge up chakra to use his strongest attack

That scan says nothing about pressure building up in the eyes

another time is when kakashi ripped the GM arm off,,
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in the first scan, kakashi cllearly had to concentrate his chakra, and had built it effectively in-order to set the void up,, as the void was set up after the chakra concentration,,,

He said he need to concentrate to accurately kamui gedo mazou

again, nothing states that pressure building up in the eyes.

It's just kakashi charging use his chakra to use a justu, he was out of chakra

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from these 4 scans, we can cllearly see that kakashi not only needed to concentrate his chakra to accuurately aim the kamui but during that built up, the void of the kamui also needed to be said,
despite his lack of aim during this time,, his kamui would still operate the same way as obito, where the chakra built up is needed to set the void up, and from then the jutsu is near instant,

Where does it state he needs chakra to aim?

I'm yet to see where this is stated...

so in concllusion, NO, i am not cllaiming ''fanfic bullshit'' by stating that LONG range kamui requires chakra built up

Obitos kamui is different from kakashi, so i dont know what you are trying to state here, when i have explicity stated only for the long range

Still didn't prove anything, charging chakra to do an attack is completely different from what you're implying:

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they didnt know shit about obitos kamui when K11 fought him during the itachi pursuit arc,
kakashi and sakura didnt manage to find anythinng at all,,
besides that naruto is different from BSM,, its llike comparing kid obito to juubito,

Haha, ya right:

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Intel is Intel, I have no idea what you're going on about.

All I know is that BM naruto went in there with intel (that i provided from above) and still couldn't do anything about it

Read the manga

No they are not,
is Base Naruto the same as SM naruto to you,,,
now add the SM amplifiication to BM naruto, and we have a naruto who has much better sensing skills, and reflexes, along with his offense and durability being buffed up by SM,
so NO, they are not the same,

better reflexes and buffed up?

You're just making them up as you go aren't you?

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Even kcm naruto admitted he was better than he was in sagemode...

@Bold - loll Obito didnt decipher any clones,, he doesnt have that ability,, and here is a scan where he couldnt,

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No...

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madara never used any of his fastest moves such as Limbo or RH against obito since he needed his rinnegan which obito possessed at that time,, so ur point is moott,,
he also stated tht llimbo is faster than kamui

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Oh boy...

--@Bold - neither minato nor tobirama have any way of hurting narutos kurama avatar,, and they would be constantly gang raped by his KB with fast enough speeds to begin with, who are firing off several FRS/COFRS aannd rasegan barrages, along with naruto firing TBBs with AOE that will shit on their FTG,,,

Naruto and Tobirama are faster than RSM naruto, nothing stated that they were stronger.

try to stay on point here

--Kushina subdued the kyuubi not minato, and minato died after sealing it,,

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Like I stated, he subdued the kyuubi pretty well.

--Bm naruto getting killed by kamui stake,, scans please

He would of died here:

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please read carefully

--Base Naruto managed to evade Limbo,, RSM Naruto would poop on Double Mangekyo,

More fan fics?

Last time i checked, based naruto doesn't have corrosion style rasenshuuriken

Now about that limbo....

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Hahaha double mangekyo rapes

 

[lanakui8]

BM Naruto w/ intent to kill would murder Obito.

clone + shunshin + rasengan variant spam is something obito can't deal with. He can try to kamui snipe, but when he does he'll get ended by an oodama/chou oodama/rasengan planet/FRS/bijuurasengan shunshined into him. Plus, he has no way of telling a clone apart from the original, and if he snipes a clone, it's pretty much over for him since the clone will end him when he goes intangible. Attack from afar, kamui snipe, close quarter combat, it doesn't matter, a naruto who actually wants to kill obito instead of

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[Made in Heaven]

Obito would win! I think...

 

[ARGUS]

Did you forget Kamui is one jutsu? That is why he can't warp people while he's intangible with one eye. It's would be like someone trying to use Susanoo while already inside there susanoo. He can see people while he intangible therefore he can snipe. Why because Kamui warps space and time it's self. That is the entire point of saying dual Kamui. How is he going to avoid a long-range Kamui that is twice as fast anyways? Naruto speed in BSM is so inconsistent.

gives me more reason as to why Obito would have to become tangible, in-order to warp since he has to do so in-order to warp from his right eye,
you claimed that kamui is one jutsu, this means that the right eye would share similar properties to left eye, therefore obito has to solidify himself otherwise the void connecting the two dimensions wont happen

 

[KCMNaruto]

uhm well no, he just used his kamui during that whole enter battle.

Even the chapter was titled was called One justu:

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Not a single rinnegan technique was wasted on BM naruto, Gai, Kakashi, and bee all together.

He dominated them with Kamui alone:

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Seems like you like to make up some justus, so I'll just show you whant MS and Rinnegan Obito can do to end all bijuus in a fight:

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If not for bee shielding him, he would of been one-shotted in BM mode

If it wasn't for kakashi, he would of been one shot here:

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Now if Obito decides to fight seriously and use other techniques, he would destroy BSM naruto with these:

chakra absorption:

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chakra/bijuu removal:

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Something that Rikudou Madara couldn't stop himself, so BSM naruto wouldn't stand a chance.




Rikudou Obito beats BSM naruto low diff you know that

Rikudou Obito also beats RSM naruto too with high diff

He only has rikudo sennin mode, while Rikudou Obito has rikudou sennin mode, rinnegan, Infinite Tsukyomi, and the mokuton gensis tree.

Double MS Obito is yet to accomplish something, so no legit conclusions can be made.

RSM Naruto -> Current Naruto
1) BSM Naruto has enhanced reaction time in opposite to BM Naruto.
2) Obito's Kamui wouldn't do anything against BM Naruto unless he tried to get close using itangibility...
3) Naruto was only afraid of Rinnegan binding stakes which could restrain him allowing Obito to warp him.
3) BSM Naruto will wait until the very last second then dodge and attack. Only perfect timming can allow him to land hit on Obito. If Obito try to get close to him using itangibility then Naruto always can use multiple chakra arms slamming area, one second of Obito's mistake would be enough to finish him.
4) RSM Naruto beats Rikudou Obito as he was given half of power from Hagoromo himself.

that it

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

RSM Naruto -> Current Naruto
1) BSM Naruto has enhanced reaction time in opposite to BM Naruto.
2) Obito's Kamui wouldn't do anything against BM Naruto unless he tried to get close using itangibility...
3) Naruto was only afraid of Rinnegan binding stakes which could restrain him allowing Obito to warp him.
3) BSM Naruto will wait until the very last second then dodge and attack. Only perfect timming can allow him to land hit on Obito. If Obito try to get close to him using itangibility then Naruto always can use multiple chakra arms slamming area, one second of Obito's mistake would be enough to finish him.
4) RSM Naruto beats Rikudou Obito as he was given half of power from Hagoromo himself.

that it

I prefer your opinion as it's simple and very accurate . I think people overlook the fact that this is BSM Naruto , not BM or don't understand what this power up grants Naruto. IMO he soloes everybody beside demi gods etc . I'm not sure about RSM Naruto beating Juubito though .

 

[MadaraReturns]

Obito makes naruto want to go to another dimention himself

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto, mid diff.

 

[kakashi ms]

to me double ms obito can beat current naruto himself

 

[VongolaX]

RSM Naruto -> Current Naruto
1) BSM Naruto has enhanced reaction time in opposite to BM Naruto.
2) Obito's Kamui wouldn't do anything against BM Naruto unless he tried to get close using itangibility...
3) Naruto was only afraid of Rinnegan binding stakes which could restrain him allowing Obito to warp him.
3) BSM Naruto will wait until the very last second then dodge and attack. Only perfect timming can allow him to land hit on Obito. If Obito try to get close to him using itangibility then Naruto always can use multiple chakra arms slamming area, one second of Obito's mistake would be enough to finish him.
4) RSM Naruto beats Rikudou Obito as he was given half of power from Hagoromo himself.

that it

All I see is biased opinions with no scans to back up your claim.

1) Alright, what is good is his reaction speed?

All we seen him do is use it to evade attacks coming at the last second.

That means dashing face to face stand off, and given the fact that Obito's kamui stakes are fired in every direction.

What good would it do him to evade?

Nothing, he would dodge and get hit by another stake.

Transforming will be the worst for him because he is a lot slower and a bigger target.

2. It one shot bee, and naruto requested help being covered by Kakashi and bee.

Those stakes would of finished him, other wise he wouldn't need help.

3. Really now?

Okay, here is a more reasonable senerio.

If BSM naruto gets any closer to intangible Obito, he will drive his hand into his chest and absorb his chakra or remove it.
(Just like he did to RIkudou Madara)

See it's reasonable because that actually did it in the manga, not that fan fic smashing arms around hoping to get Obito.

He will just fail like Danzo's bodyguards.

In case you haven't notice, when Kakashi wasn't available to fight Obito, guess who he needed help from to attack him?

A ftg user that already marked him...

BSM naruto needed a ftg user to touch Obito, and he didn't have kamui available.

4. Get out here Rikudou Obito smashes him

Obito has rikudou Sennin mode that is even more than naruto's

He has a full sun rikudou staff and 9 Gudodamas, while naruto only has 6-7 with a incomplete staff.

Both have healing powers but Obito can regenerate too.

Has the rinnegan but naruto doesn't....

Has Infinte Tsukyomi which naruto has no counter towards

Has mokuton Gensis tree which naruto will absorb the sh*t out of naruto just as fast as he did in BSM.

Has the sharingan, so he'll read him like a book

He has basically all but one ability (yang seal) from naruto and then so much more.

RSM naruto can't even seal a rikudou level person without the yin seal, so that yang seal is pointless.

 

[KCMNaruto]

All I see is biased opinions with no scans to back up your claim.

1) Alright, what is good is his reaction speed?

All we seen him do is use it to evade attacks coming at the last second.

That means dashing face to face stand off, and given the fact that Obito's kamui stakes are fired in every direction.

What good would it do him to evade?

Nothing, he would dodge and get hit by another stake.

Transforming will be the worst for him because he is a lot slower and a bigger target.

Well, your visibility is limited as you only caught my sentence and modify to your need. Of course BSM Naruto has enhanced reaction speed but it isn't just that BSM Naruto has also insane raw speed. It is all up to his right combination of insane reflex and instane foot speed to win.

BSM Naruto isn't just reflex but reflex and foot speed as well.

2. It one shot bee, and naruto requested help being covered by Kakashi and bee.

Those stakes would of finished him, other wise he wouldn't need help.

The **** ? I didn't even mention binding stakes in that point, sure I did anyway but in other point, so please be specific and answer to each point not in generaly.

Anyway as I said BM Naruto wasn't afraid by Obito's close warp Kamui but just Itangibility used to short distance to get to him and also Rinnegan binding stakes which were thrown by Obito using Kamui to bind Bijuu power inside Naruto and Killer bee.

3. Really now?

Okay, here is a more reasonable senerio.

If BSM naruto gets any closer to intangible Obito, he will drive his hand into his chest and absorb his chakra or remove it.
(Just like he did to RIkudou Madara)

See it's reasonable because that actually did it in the manga, not that fan fic smashing arms around hoping to get Obito.

He will just fail like Danzo's bodyguards.

In case you haven't notice, when Kakashi wasn't available to fight Obito, guess who he needed help from to attack him?

A ftg user that already marked him...

BSM naruto needed a ftg user to touch Obito, and he didn't have kamui available.

Ok, you have point, however take in consideration that:

1) Madara was caught off guard and allowed Obito to get close so he got opportunity to absorb tailed beasts from him
2) In opposite to Madara, Tailed beasts are friendly towards Naruto so they will work and do anything to stay within Naruto. Obito will have to not just overpower/fight in pulling contest with Naruto but also Kurama or other tailed beasts.

Easy counter: Creates chakra arm with TBB/small TBB and attack Obito forcing him to pass through Naruto and stop absorbing him.

@bold give me scan...

Anyway BSM Naruto has chance to win even without using clones, if he use clones well then he win more of time then loose.

4. Get out here Rikudou Obito smashes him

Obito has rikudou Sennin mode that is even more than naruto's

He has a full sun rikudou staff and 9 Gudodamas, while naruto only has 6-7 with a incomplete staff.

Both have healing powers but Obito can regenerate too.

Has the rinnegan but naruto doesn't....

Has Infinte Tsukyomi which naruto has no counter towards

Has mokuton Gensis tree which naruto will absorb the sh*t out of naruto just as fast as he did in BSM.

Has the sharingan, so he'll read him like a book

He has basically all but one ability (yang seal) from naruto and then so much more.

RSM naruto can't even seal a rikudou level person without the yin seal, so that yang seal is pointless.

You brought good points and give me good reasons to admit that you are right.

Hype wise it should be Rikudou Obito > Senjutsu Naruto/Rinnegan Sasuke

However due to feats: Senjutsu Naruto/Rinnegan Sasuke > Rikudou Obito.

Well show your rant to Kishimoto, he is author of Naruto manga not me

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^^ Obito who was unable to use Kamui , as Ten tails host was fast enough to anticipate attack involving use of FTG.

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Yet BSM Naruto was able to anticipate and hit Rikudou Obito who was able to anticipate FTG.

It was also BSM Naruto's TBB which made Obito reconsider his defence or how to act.

you understimate BSM Naruto

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Obito makes naruto want to go to another dimention himself

BSM Naruto takes this ^

 

[ARGUS]

to me double ms obito can beat current naruto himself

let the wank begin

 

[Dave Stevenson]

double ms can take bsm naruto high diff DMS Obito> BSM Naruto however rinnegan obito loses to bsm naruto