[VS] BSM Naruto vs Double MS Obito .

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

By the way the Obito I'm referring to is healthy .

 

[Mr SwizZz]

Truth unless Double MS enhance also already Kamui abiltiy which Obito uses. I see (close , long)Kamui wrap being double speed and his itangibility activating even faster. However Naruto's sensing abiltiy would ultimately bring him to win, but he would have to stay on guard all time and fight smart, because if he launches too many TBB while Obito will be in ghost form then Naruto will be doomed. However with intel Naruto has he would most likely use smart instead of spamming raw power.

This is why i hate the argument "Obito can wrap himself twice as fast".(if thats what you mean)
He cant.
What happened was, Kakashi sniped Obito and in the same time Obito wrap himself and thats why it was faster.

He needs someone to snipe him into kamui-dimension, he cant snipe himself.
His right eye is to wrap himself, defense. the left eye to wrap other things, snipe, for attacking

And in order to snipe someone twice as fast(use right eye), he needs to touch them, otherwise he can only snipe with his left eye.

L.E.: Btw nice deviations just checked them out xD

 

[KCMNaruto]

This is why i hate the argument "Obito can wrap twice as fast".
He cant.
What happened was, Kakashi sniped Obito and in the same time Obito wrap himself and thats why it was faster.

He needs someone to snipe him into kamui-dimension, he cant snipe himself.
His right eye is to wrap himself, defense. the left eye to wrap other things, snipe, for attacking

ok, then Naruto wins wether he is against Double MS Obito with or wihtout Senjuu DNA with result being higher difficulty depending on Obito with Senjuu DNA or no. Of course Naruto need to act smart and don't make foolish moves as well to win.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Obito stomps. One MS Obito mas waking quick work of BM Naruto. This one snipes him right off the bat.

 

[Jimihendrix]

kamui snipe gg

 

[Jimihendrix]

double kamui obito is god level, he can solo Sasuke, Kaguya, Juubi Jin Madz, Juubi Jin Obito, etc

 

[KCMNaruto]

Obito stomps. One MS Obito mas waking quick work of BM Naruto. This one snipes him right off the bat.

Naruto was unexperienced then, also BM Naruto lack enhanced reaction time to counter Kamui in time.

BSM Naruto is another story but BSM Naruto with Current intel from the manga beats each version of Obito with double MS.

double kamui obito is god level, he can solo Sasuke, Kaguya, Juubi Jin Madz, Juubi Jin Obito, etc

Scans or you are just fooling around

 

[Mr SwizZz]

ok, then Naruto wins wether he is against Double MS Obito with or wihtout Senjuu DNA with result being higher difficulty depending on Obito with Senjuu DNA or no. Of course Naruto need to act smart and don't make foolish moves as well to win.

Yes thats what I believe.
Double MS Obito is a beast, but Naruto has SM + Yang Kurama which are more powerfull tools and can counter double kamui.

But he has to be smart, if he cant take advantage of those 2 weapons he will lose.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto wins this

--He has the sensing skills to sense the chakra built up for obitos long range kamui, and would have enough time to act prior to the warp ,along with his quick speed to evade the warp

--obito still has to manifest physically in-order to attack naruto and with the latter having intel on his kamui,, he can send out many KB (which obito cant decipher) which would outnumber obito and can disrupt his kamui based moveset

--obito is vastly outnumbered here, and the moment he becomes tangible to attack,, he would be attacked by the other KB

--naruto can also prep frog song,

Obito doesn't have to manifest to use long range Kamui while he's intangible because all you need is sight to use long range Kamui which he still has while he's intangible.

When Obito is intangible he cannot be sensed at all. Plus Kamui speed will be doubled. Your really underestimating Obito.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Lol, if he needs to turn tangible or not doesn't matter, Naruto doesn't have a counter to either close or long ranged Kamui.

 

[VongolaX]

1. Because that naruto was BM,, this iis BSM,, theres a big difference here,, seeing how naruto at that time hhad no sensing skills to act prior to the warp,, not to mention that obito as well failed to warp naruto,,

Naruto did have sensory skills, otherwise no one will be able to differentiate the white zetsu clones from the actual ninjas.

He's even shown use of bm with sagemode clones, so this statement here is invalid.

2. Naruto also had no intel on Obitos kamui throughout most of the battle so your point is already moot there and once they got intel, on his kamui, obito wouldve lost rather easily

Naruto did have intel during their first fight.

Yet he still lost...

The only knew intel the has in their last fight was the connection between his kamui with Kakashi, yet still wasn't able to land a hit without Kakashi despite all that intel.

Naruto would of died to a stake at the face rather easily.

3. having both MS doesnt help obito since he still has to become tangible in-order to attack naruto and with the latter now having intel as well as having the right diversions to attack him effectively, and the sensing skills/reflexes to evade the warps,,
obitos dual kamui is countered quite well,

Right eye uses intangibility, while the left eye sends his head into dimensions.

Let's be real here, Obito's speed surpasses BSM naruto's by a mile.

Only RSM naruto can go toe to toe with s/t users

 

[VongolaX]

Double ms Obito wins

Speed and genjustu will be the huge factor in this match up.

Possibly mokuton...

 

[KCMNaruto]

Double ms Obito wins

Speed and genjustu will be the huge factor in this match up.

Possibly mokuton...

Double MS Obito as Current Obito with Senjuu DNA and at full chakra from get go - Yes
else - He looses, BSM Naruto wins

 

[VongolaX]

Double MS Obito as Current Obito with Senjuu DNA and at full chakra from get go - Yes
else - He looses, BSM Naruto wins

So your implying/stating that he doesn't have full chakra and senju DNA?

 

[KCMNaruto]

So your implying/stating that he doesn't have full chakra and senju DNA?

I mean OP didn't specify it, so it can be any version of Obito.

and it is as I said:

Double MS Obito as Current Obito with Senjuu DNA and at full chakra from get go - Yes
else - He looses, BSM Naruto wins

Take away Senjuu DNA from Obito -> Obito looses
Consider Obito as Current but with small amount of chakra(exhausted)-> Obito looses

Of course it would be med or high diff, but still.

However Double MS Obito as Current Obito with Senjuu DNA and at full chakra from get go wins.

 

[VongolaX]

I mean OP didn't specify it, so it can be any version of Obito.

and it is as I said:

Double MS Obito as Current Obito with Senjuu DNA and at full chakra from get go - Yes
else - He looses, BSM Naruto wins

Take away Senjuu DNA from Obito -> Obito looses
Consider Obito as Current but with small amount of chakra(exhausted)-> Obito looses

Of course it would be med or high diff, but still.

However Double MS Obito as Current Obito with Senjuu DNA and at full chakra from get go wins.

OP specified double MS Obito

There isn't any other incarnation of Obito that doesn't have Senju DNA except for 3 tomoe Obito.

With that in mind

Ms Obito with senju DNA
Rinnegan Obito with senju DNA
Rikudou Obito with senju DNA
Double ms Obito with senju DNA

All beat BSM naruto with their respected difficulties.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Only a Narutotard would think he wins in this scenario.

 

[ARGUS]

Obito doesn't have to manifest to use long range Kamui while he's intangible because all you need is sight to use long range Kamui which he still has while he's intangible.

When Obito is intangible he cannot be sensed at all. Plus Kamui speed will be doubled. Your really underestimating Obito.

No he does have to become tangible and appear in the real dimension,, in-order to connnect the warp with naruto, if he proceeds to attack naruto, whilst he is intangible then he and his attacks will simply phase through, similar to how many attacks phased through obito, due to both entities being in the different dimensions

and yes, i am well aware that obito cant be ssenssed if his whole body is intangible and sent to the kamui dimension, however his kamui warps are sensed, due to their chakra built up

Naruto did have sensory skills, otherwise no one will be able to differentiate the white zetsu clones from the actual ninjas.

No he didnt, only in SM he had any sensing skills against Obito,

He's even shown use of bm with sagemode clones, so this statement here is invalid.

BSM >>> SM, and BSM =/= SM, ur statment is invalid here,
besides i have only stated the sensing part for the long range kamui since the requires chakra built up

Naruto did have intel during their first fight.

No he didnt, throughout their battle, it was kakashi who was trying to figure out the exact mechanics of obitos kamui,

Yet he still lost...

Their battle never ended, since iit got interrupted, however the moment they figured out intel on obitos kamui, obitoo wouldve most likkely lost

The only knew intel the has in their last fight was the connection between his kamui with Kakashi, yet still wasn't able to land a hit without Kakashi despite all that intel.

I dont know why you are bringing BM naruto here when i/and the thread are talking about BSM naruto

Naruto would of died to a stake at the face rather easily.

No.

Right eye uses intangibility, while the left eye sends his head into dimensions.

Only the fact is that obito needs to become tangible in-order to connect his attacks to naruto, he would also need to have his eye in the real dimension,, since both the entiities need to be in the same dimension in-order to attack each other,,
furthermore, the manga has made it clear that obito needs to manifest physically in-order to attack naruto through kamui,

Let's be real here, Obito's speed surpasses BSM naruto's by a mile.

Only his phasing speed surpassses naruto, his attacking speed is countered since naruto can sense the chakra built up and act prior to the attack, as well as send his KB (which obito cant decipher) to outnumber obito and attack him the moment he becomes tangible to attack,

and NO. Obito cant stay intangible and attack naruto, since the attak needs to connect, and both of the bodies need to be in the same dimension for that to happen

Only RSM naruto can go toe to toe with s/t users

BM Naruto alone would wreck Minato/Tobirama,
BSM Naruto defeats MS Obito
RSM Naruto would laugh at all S/T users bar Madara/Sasuke

 

[VongolaX]

No he does have to become tangible and appear in the real dimension,, in-order to connnect the warp with naruto, if he proceeds to attack naruto, whilst he is intangible then he and his attacks will simply phase through, similar to how many attacks phased through obito, due to both entities being in the different dimensions

and yes, i am well aware that obito cant be ssenssed if his whole body is intangible and sent to the kamui dimension, however his kamui warps are sensed, due to their chakra built up

No he didnt, only in SM he had any sensing skills against Obito,

lol what?

Did you just deny KCM/BM naruto of sensing skills?

Do you realize that naruto's sensory skills was the key to the war?

He didn't use sm you know...?

BSM >>> SM, and BSM =/= SM, ur statment is invalid here,
besides i have only stated the sensing part for the long range kamui since the requires chakra built up

In sensing?

It's hardly any different, but in strength it is completely obvious.

My point was the sensory, and sm clone naruto used his sensing capabilities during the fight against Obito.

And there is no such thing as sensing pressure from kamui, that's just fan fic bull that people come up with.

Kcm naruto didn't sense Obito until he was completely out of dimensions and same with minato.

No he didnt, throughout their battle, it was kakashi who was trying to figure out the exact mechanics of obitos kamui,

During their first fight it was k11 vs. Obito and they all got the info from that last fight.

Even with this knowledge he got from Kakashi and Sakura, he still couldn't touch him without Kakashi.

Their battle never ended, since iit got interrupted, however the moment they figured out intel on obitos kamui, obitoo wouldve most likkely lost

They did and it failed...

In the first fight against K11 and the second fight against bijuu mode naruto.

In the end, naruto needed kakashi's help from Kakashi.

Even in BM, Obito stated it would be foolish to take him on alone.

Which he was right on, so what is BSM naruto going to do?

It's the Sam as BM naruto, just that this one has sagemode chakra.

That will only help against Obito's Inyouton or kamui stakes.

I dont know why you are bringing BM naruto here when i/and the thread are talking about BSM naruto

Uhm....because they are virtually the same? 0_o

No.

Yes

Only the fact is that obito needs to become tangible in-order to connect his attacks to naruto, he would also need to have his eye in the real dimension,, since both the entiities need to be in the same dimension in-order to attack each other,,
furthermore, the manga has made it clear that obito needs to manifest physically in-order to attack naruto through kamui,

Ya, for one MS only...

This is double mangekyo, keep that in mind.

Only his phasing speed surpassses naruto, his attacking speed is countered since naruto can sense the chakra built up and act prior to the attack, as well as send his KB (which obito cant decipher) to outnumber obito and attack him the moment he becomes tangible to attack,

Except that double kamui increases his speed, as revealed against Madara's fastes move.

So all of Obito's kamui variants are faster than BSM naruto.

Obito already deciphered and destroy naruto's clones in his second fight (rinnegan Obito)

So that's not going to help...

and NO. Obito cant stay intangible and attack naruto, since the attak needs to connect, and both of the bodies need to be in the same dimension for that to happen

Again double mangekyo

He can still kamui people from in dimensions (like he did Sakura).

BM Naruto alone would wreck Minato/Tobirama,
BSM Naruto defeats MS Obito
RSM Naruto would laugh at all S/T users bar Madara/Sasuke

Bm naruto would get his @ss kicked by Tobirama and Minato.

Minato has fought a full yin yang kyuubi, he subdued it fairly well at that too.

Bm naruto nearly got killed by a kamui stake, BSM naruto will be no different.

Ms Obito kicks BSM naruto's @ss too.

Obito has beaten two perfect jinchuuriki, so naruto will definetly be no different.

Madara and Sasuke don't have s/t, and double mangekyo Obito is way faster than Madara.

RSM naruto wouldn't even come close to double mangekyo's speed.

Get real, there's a reason why he needed Obito's help.

 

[KCMNaruto]

OP specified double MS Obito

There isn't any other incarnation of Obito that doesn't have Senju DNA except for 3 tomoe Obito.

With that in mind

Ms Obito with senju DNA
Rinnegan Obito with senju DNA
Rikudou Obito with senju DNA
Double ms Obito with senju DNA

All beat BSM naruto with their respected difficulties.

ok, then

Ms Obito with senju DNA -> BM Naruto has chance to win as Obito fought Naruto as Rinnegan Obito not MS Obito. Yet only as KCM Naruto he was almost caought by Obito, then Kakashi and Gai entered.

Rinnegan Obito with senju DNA -> BSM Naruto has same chance as Rinnegan Obito. Nature energy mixed in his chakra nulify Rinnegan of Obito, then alone one-eyed MS Obito is not enough

Rikudou Obito with senju DNA -> Obito wins unless RSM Naruto(Current)
Double ms Obito with senju DNA -> Obito and BSM Naruto has equal chance of win.

fixed for you