BSM Naruto (pre rikudou amp) vs SM living Hashirama

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All nine Bijuu minus full Kurama are around the same general size, some slightly taller, some slightly smaller.

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Uuuuhhh wrong. It's inconsistent drawing. Because even here kurama was the smallest.
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A full kurama was pinned down by Gamabunta which were the same size if not close to each other (not counting the tails).
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But prior to that Gamabunta was shown to be close in size with shukaku.
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So the size consistency is not accurate and we seen Bm naruto's cloak to be even smaller. Even Rsm naruto's kurama cloak is the same size as Bm and Bsm naruto. Size aside, in power it's the same if not Bm naruto being stronger. Look at his Tailed beast bomb and compare it to the times tobi and madara used it. Naruto comes out on top.
 

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lol how is naruto blitzing hashirama when even edo madara casually reacted to it despite the edo tensei nerfing his true reflexes.
You need to consider how much chakra naruto had there, as well as how much chakra edo madara had, as well as how much weaker edo made madara. When edo madara reacted to BM Naruto, naruto was very low on chakra, naruto even said it himself. Edo madara had all his chakra when he reacted to BM Naruto.
 
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Uuuuhhh wrong. It's inconsistent drawing. Because even here kurama was the smallest.
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A full kurama was pinned down by Gamabunta which were the same size if not close to each other (not counting the tails).
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But prior to that Gamabunta was shown to be close in size with shukaku.
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So the size consistency is not accurate and we seen Bm naruto's cloak to be even smaller. Even Rsm naruto's kurama cloak is the same size as Bm and Bsm naruto. Size aside, in power it's the same if not Bm naruto being stronger. Look at his Tailed beast bomb and compare it to the times tobi and madara used it. Naruto comes out on top.
Size inconsistencies are almost a staple of the series, though only the Gamabunta one is really major there, but most of the manga portrayed Yin Kurama as the size of the other Bijuu and full Kurama from the page I already posted was proven to be a lot bigger. You can't use exceptions and inconsistencies to disprove that.

And...no he doesn't. Admitting that is admitting Naruto with half Kurama and Sage Mode is weaker than a full Kurama covered in Perfect Susanoo armor, which is just stupid to think
 

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Anyone who has read the Manga knows that Hashirama wins with little difficulty.

-Base Hashirama wins. Mokuryu and Mokujin rape him in close combat, and his BD that are above standard size are redirected at him in mid-long range combat. The rest of his arsenal is tanked by Hobi.

-SM Hashirama shits without SS. Myojinmon pins him, then Kakuan Nitten Suishu suppresses the Kyuubi and Naruto gets swatted like a fly. If he puts down his Avatar to escape the binding then he gets crushed by Mokujin. Or Mokujin just beats him till he dies. SM Mokujin=PS>>Naruto's Avatar.

-SS one shots.
 

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Size inconsistencies are almost a staple of the series, though only the Gamabunta one is really major there, but most of the manga portrayed Yin Kurama as the size of the other Bijuu and full Kurama from the page I already posted was proven to be a lot bigger. You can't use exceptions and inconsistencies to disprove that.
I was strictly talking about the kurama cloaks which I already proven to not be accurate in size.
For the Yin kurama and Full kurama, that's just a speculation. Especially when the size of each biju is not finite. We don't know what kishi was thinking.
And...no he doesn't. Admitting that is admitting Naruto with half Kurama and Sage Mode is weaker than a full Kurama covered in Perfect Susanoo armor, which is just stupid to think
No. It's stupid to compare half of kurama + with senjutsu at the same level of a full kurama that can't conrol its powers. And last time I checked Madara never used a perfect susano'o armour against Hashirama. Don't act like one of those members that call magic garb susano'o a perfect susano'o, because that's dumb.
Madara himself said that anyone who sees perfect susano'o dies(pre edotensei), yet Hashirama didn't. Which is another reason why Madara didn't use perfect susano'o off panel too if that happens to be another excuse.

The whole deal here is that full kurama shot a mountain blast tailed beast bomb and so did Bm naruto, so the size difference and variations doesn't change their tailed beast bomb output. It's the same.
 

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You need to consider how much chakra naruto had there, as well as how much chakra edo madara had, as well as how much weaker edo made madara. When edo madara reacted to BM Naruto, naruto was very low on chakra, naruto even said it himself. Edo madara had all his chakra when he reacted to BM Naruto.
lmao no. if he continues in bm he remains the same speed no matter what as long as he has chakra which the mode in itself is otherwise it would disperse naruto back to either a weaker form or base. also obito had no problem either reacting to bm naruto. living hashi and madara have zero difficulty reacting to naruto especially when hashi's weaker brother had good enough reflexes to counter juubito.
 
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lmao no. if he continues in bm he remains the same speed no matter what as long as he has chakra which the mode in itself is otherwise it would disperse naruto back to either a weaker form or base. also obito had no problem either reacting to bm naruto. living hashi and madara have zero difficulty reacting to obito especially when hashi's weaker brother had good enough reflexes to counter juubito.
Wrong. BM burns chakra just to stay active, on top of that, theres actually using the chakra. Why would BM stay the same speed? The less chakra you have, the slower you get. Thats just a fact.

Obito himself is actually very strong, so him reacting to BM isnt a total shocker. Also, when obito reacted to BM naruto, naruto was pretty low on his own base chakra. So BM naruto was nowhere near as fast as he would be if he had all his chakra when obito reacted to him. And again, obito isnt weak at all. Half his body is made of hashis cells/chakra, and his base chakra is already huge, as a kid he could casually use fireball jutsu, which is a jutsu that even the average shinobi could only use 1 time before running low on chakra, from kid to adult he trained a good few years, i think 17 years.
 

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Wrong. BM burns chakra just to stay active, on top of that, theres actually using the chakra. Why would BM stay the same speed? The less chakra you have, the slower you get. Thats just a fact.

Obito himself is actually very strong, so him reacting to BM isnt a total shocker. Also, when obito reacted to BM naruto, naruto was pretty low on his own base chakra. So BM naruto was nowhere near as fast as he would be if he had all his chakra when obito reacted to him. And again, obito isnt weak at all. Half his body is made of hashis cells/chakra, and his base chakra is already huge, as a kid he could casually use fireball jutsu, which is a jutsu that even the average shinobi could only use 1 time before running low on chakra, from kid to adult he trained a good few years, i think 17 years.

No. as long as it's active the speed remains the same. yes chakra amount dictates their speed, but only if it's released outward for shunshin and by that I mean the overall body (feet technically). example: the raikage always had bijuu level amount of chakra but he had to expel/release it outward to access his new mode to accomplish a higher speed but as long as he's in that mode his speed remains the same no matter what. same w/ naruto bm. I've read this whole manga and never ever seen a character dip in speed in the same mode, not gaara. not kimimaro and not 5Glee. kaguya did but she's literally the only character who doesn't use shinobi techniques and oddly her strength of attacks decrease over the course of the battle due to overusing her chakra. that doesn't happen to ninjas, when they get tired either 1. they drop to a weaker mode. or 2. not be able to use that said technique at all. there is no such thing as accelerate/deccelerate speeds from the same chakra source that was sustained

Obito himself is actually very strong
lol please, he was about the same level as kakashi in H2H combat.

naruto was pretty low on his own base chakra.
lol has nothing to do with his speed when in kurama mode, man. don't think naruto officially runs low of chakra in base and kurama chakra until later in the manga when neji died which takes place far after the madara and obito examples I've gave.
 

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Hashi win low diff just like madara did...hashi wood suppresses chakra so how does naruto win when narutos cloak makes his wood stronger? Hashis wood golem is too much for him. Ss is a stomp.
 

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Wrong. BM burns chakra just to stay active, on top of that, theres actually using the chakra. Why would BM stay the same speed? The less chakra you have, the slower you get. Thats just a fact.

Obito himself is actually very strong, so him reacting to BM isnt a total shocker. Also, when obito reacted to BM naruto, naruto was pretty low on his own base chakra. So BM naruto was nowhere near as fast as he would be if he had all his chakra when obito reacted to him. And again, obito isnt weak at all. Half his body is made of hashis cells/chakra, and his base chakra is already huge, as a kid he could casually use fireball jutsu, which is a jutsu that even the average shinobi could only use 1 time before running low on chakra, from kid to adult he trained a good few years, i think 17 years.
All I see here are excuses. :lol Or rather the same excuse used repeatedly. :lol
 

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No. as long as it's active the speed remains the same. yes chakra amount dictates their speed, but only if it's released outward for shunshin and by that I mean the overall body (feet technically). example: the raikage always had bijuu level amount of chakra but he had to expel/release it outward to access his new mode to accomplish a higher speed but as long as he's in that mode his speed remains the same no matter what. same w/ naruto bm. I've read this whole manga and never ever seen a character dip in speed in the same mode, not gaara. not kimimaro and not 5Glee. kaguya did but she's literally the only character who doesn't use shinobi techniques and oddly her strength of attacks decrease over the course of the battle due to overusing her chakra. that doesn't happen to ninjas, when they get tired either 1. they drop to a weaker mode. or 2. not be able to use that said technique at all. there is no such thing as accelerate/deccelerate speeds from the same chakra source that was sustained

Obito himself is actually very strong
lol please, he was about the same level as kakashi in H2H combat.

naruto was pretty low on his own base chakra.
lol has nothing to do with his speed when in kurama mode, man. don't think naruto officially runs low of chakra in base and kurama chakra until later in the manga when neji died which takes place far after the madara and obito examples I've gave.
Raikage had a special technique called the lightning cloak which was using lightning nature to increase his normal top speed. His lightning cloak doesnt burn through chakra to stay active though.

Bm combines narutos chakra and kuramas chakra into one. The more chakra used, the slower they get. Especially since it burns chakra just to stay in the mode.

I mean its hard to explain. Look, in BM, naruto only needed to use a certain amount of chakra to keep up with people who were much slower than him, so it appeared that naruto never got slower. Like, if BM naruto fought base kid sasuke, it would take very little of BM narutos chakra to outspeed sasuke, so BM naruto would be able to keep up the same speed that would outspeed sasuke for a long time. It depends who BM naruto faces, as well as how much chakra BM naruto has at the time he faces them. Usually when naruto faced ppl in BM, kurama had all his chakra, but naruto didnt. Naruto ran low on his own base chakra a few times throughout the war.

War arc kakashi wasnt weak at all, so lets get that out of the way. Although when he fought obito, he was very injured, tired, and didnt have much chakra compared to his full reserves, due to all the fighting he just did in the war. And you do know obito was holding back against kakashi, right? It was literally stated that he was. You can find it, you should already know this anyways.
 
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Can naruto use the respective kekkei genkai of bijuus with his rasenshuriken?His bijuu cloak can stop the attacks of buddha god though he will suffer severe damage. Instead of firing the bijuudama like a ball, why not fire it like a laser like gyuki does? The buddha statue has never been defeated and he damage tremendously but naruto has the speed with which he can outpace hashirama and blast him with rasenshuriken. I would give this to naruto extremely high diff :hmm:
 
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