Breaking down the "limits" of "unlimited" chakra

NinjutsuSeeker

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Sigh........

Ok, I guess some people still are confused about this whole "unlimited chakra mess" im going to"again" break it down so even a five year old can understand.

Lets start off by breaking down a few words. Kishi used the word "unlimited". That can have several meanings. Kishi did not use the word, "infinite". So people must understand the difference between the two.

When people use the word "infinite" it is usually associated with "God" or Space. Like Gods infinite mercy or forgiveness. Its boundless. And outter space, it is again as far as we know, infinite,it has no ending, no bounderies. Kishi was careful not to use that word for it has a greater meaning than "unlimited"

Now although Unlimited and infinite have similar meanings, again it is used in a different context. Edo summons do not fit the context of "infinite"

Edo's fit the context of "unlimited" because of their bodily limitations. Although they have unlimited chakra, they have a "threshold" to what they can release at once.

Back to my soda analogy. I may have unlimited refills, but i cannot ever have more then the cup can fill. Making the term "unlimited, "limited" in a sense.

That is why Madara is kabuto's secret weapon. He knew that the other Edo's could be defeated because their chakra threshold is only but so high, while madara's threshold is much much greater. Even though it is much much greater, still understand that he does have a threshold, just a much bigger one.

How and when he gets his chakra back no one knows. He could instantly get it back or he could get it back if his body is destroyed. No one knows, but what I do know is edo's do have limits to how much they can use at once.

Hope this clears up some confusion
 

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Actually, "outer space" is finite. It is expanding and therefore is not infinite. The universe also has a constant mass and energy and so again in this way is not infinite anyways.

Anyways...
 

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hmmm there are ways around it tho, like putting in a countuise supply of chakra in a jutsu that exsceeds your chakra compacity
 

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Actually, "outer space" is finite. It is expanding and therefore is not infinite. The universe also has a constant mass and energy and so again in this way is not infinite anyways.

Anyways...

ok but its expanding right??? after how many billion and billion of years??? so as far as we know....its pretty darn infinite

and did u carefully read what I said??? i said "as far as we know it is infinite" meaning I know good and darn well that it is explanding, but as far was we know, that mess hasn't ended yet. Therefore atm making outter space, infinite
 

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yeah,i get it,if madara had infinite chakra then he could create ten thousand planets but instead he can only create that meteor that he did,but his chakra never runs out and he can spawn techniques forever :)
 

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ok but its expanding right??? after how many billion and billion of years??? so as far as we know....its pretty darn infinite

and did u carefully read what I said??? i said "as far as we know it is infinite" meaning I know good and darn well that it is explanding, but as far was we know, that mess hasn't ended yet. Therefore atm making outter space, infinite

finite, since you admitted its expanding at the current moment it has a edge ad therefore is finite. also since its expanding there has to be "room" to expand in i use room very loosley since space doesnt exist outside of......well space
 

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yeah,i get it,if madara had infinite chakra then he could create ten thousand planets but instead he can only create that meteor that he did,but his chakra never runs out and he can spawn techniques forever :)


^^ this
 

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finite, since you admitted its expanding at the current moment it has a edge ad therefore is finite. also since its expanding there has to be "room" to expand in i use room very loosley since space doesnt exist outside of......well space


ok but let me ask you something..what if it never stops expanding? when can it ever be considered"infinite'? Or is using outter space a bad example of something infinite?
 

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ok but let me ask you something..what if it never stops expanding? when can it ever be considered"infinite'? Or is using outter space a bad example of something infinite?

if it never stopped then it is unlimited and is expanding in something that is infinite.....do yo usee where im going, the container is infinite and whats in it is unlimted. yes using space is a very bad example, also since we know so little about the known universe.

-infinite- all that ever will be and ever was (thre is no room to expand since its everything that can exist)

-unlimited- has limits that exist but anything below the limit can be used an INFINITE number of times

example: the speed limit is unlimeted but my car can only go 300/mph
 

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+ rep man!
*sigh* Maybe now I'll get a break from those unlimited chakra = god Madara threads. . .
Major pain in the a**. . .
 

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ok but let me ask you something..what if it never stops expanding? when can it ever be considered"infinite'? Or is using outter space a bad example of something infinite?

It has a constant mass and energy, so that remains finite. While the universe expands, that mass and energy is just distributed differently, still finite. For it to expand, it has an edge like the poster said above me, that makes it finite.

But enough about technicalities, your analysis on the chakra of the characters is definitely spot on in my eyes.
 

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+ rep man!
*sigh* Maybe now I'll get a break from those unlimited chakra = god Madara threads. . .
Major pain in the a**. . .

Man i just seen like back to back threads all with confused people trying to make sense of this unlimited chakra topic....it was driving me crazy.
 

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ok but its expanding right??? after how many billion and billion of years??? so as far as we know....its pretty darn infinite

and did u carefully read what I said??? i said "as far as we know it is infinite" meaning I know good and darn well that it is explanding, but as far was we know, that mess hasn't ended yet. Therefore atm making outter space, infinite

Not sure you have the right definition of infinite here. Space is not infinite. It has a boundaries, an end. It doesn't matter if these boundaries are always moving. If it has boundaries at all, it isn't infinite.

If you want an example of something infinite, turn to math.
 

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Oh well who cares....it's obvious......Madara is about to rape everyone and no one will stop him :3
 

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Man i just seen like back to back threads all with confused people trying to make sense of this unlimited chakra topic....it was driving me crazy.

It got way outta hand way too quick. They misunderstood the word in this case. Unlimited, not infinit.
 
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