[BREAKDOWN] Naruto Is Not That Much Greater Than Sasuke.

Booker

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Jan 23, 2013
Messages
8,352
Reaction score
958
I'm sick of hearing of much greater Naruto is than Sasuke. Naruto is greater than Sasuke currently, but not by the huge margin most people think.

Sasuke has a multitude of methods and counters to Naruto.

The biggest, and most incorrect, argument I hear for Naruto is the "Naruto makes 5 BM clones GG Sasuke" argument. While clones certainly provide a few different directions of attack, this has time and again been shown to be inefficient. In fact, most times Naruto divides his chakra amongst huge multitudes of clones, they get fodderized quickly.

Naruto is only able to deal real, effective attacks when he has not made a multitude of clones. If you paid any attention, you would know the KCM clones really didn't deal any damage that required huge drainage of chakra.

So, if Naruto decides to form a few dozen clones as usual, they will get beaten accordingly.

Another argument I hear is that Naruto's speed is much too fast for Sasuke. This is also false.

Sasuke has two advanced versions of the Sharingan, the EMS.

Obito, who only is in possesion of a single MS (not even EMS) has been able to keep up with BM Naruto's movements and fight him accordingly. Sasuke, who has even more enhanced versions of the Sharingan (and two of them as opposed to one) should have an even easier time following Naruto.

A counter I've heard for this is that Naruto wasn't using his full speed when fighting Obito because he wasn't skilled with it, so the MS/EMS argument doesn't work. What they don't realize is, they are contradicting themselves.

If Naruto wasn't using his extreme speed against Obito, who's to say he'd use it against Sasuke? Does fighting Sasuke magically give him perfect control over his speed? Obviously not.

The third argument I hear is that Naruto just posses too much raw power to contend with Sasuke. But is this even true?

Sure, I won't deny Naruto's TBB is the second most powerful we've seen, and at most Sasuke could tank maybe one. But there's something people overlook:

Sasuke is one of the most analytical characters in the Manga. He can pick up on a technique after seeing it briefly. As we know, full powered TBB's take a while to form. We also know that the balance of chakra in each TBB has to be absolutely perfect, or else it won't work. Before Naruto even fires a TBB, who's to say Sasuke couldn't counter with an Ama Arrow? It would certainly throw the balance of chakra off, and actually blow up on Naruto. Sasuke's Ama Arrows have displayed speed enough to not only counter TBB's, but to intercept and destroy incoming ones.

Let's also not forget Sasuke's advantages against Naruto. Sasuke's Enton and Ama are a one-shot jutsu. Unless Naruto can shed parts of himself off, getting hit by an Enton or Ama means a loss.

Ama Arrow is actually the perfect technique for Sasuke and his Sharingan as well. With the sharingan's ability to predict movement, Sasuke can effectively fire Ama Arrows to where Naruto will head next and intercept him. Not to mention that Sasuke could Amateratsu the entire area around them, and prevent Naruto from zipping around hap-hazardly. Susano'o will effectively protect Sasuke from any taijutsu, and Enton Control Sword will solo Naruto's Bijuu Form if he goes into it.

And this was just my warm up thread. I'll be making another one later that will provide scans and additional information, as well as counters to any arguments.

Don't get me wrong, Naruto is still a greater threat than Sasuke, but the margin isn't as large as most think.
 

saw2097

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Jun 8, 2012
Messages
8,529
Reaction score
493
Show me Sasuke deflecting TBB, destroying mountains, and powering up thousands of ninja, then we will talk.

Edit: Or at least feats that rival that.
 

Anonn

Banned
Veteran
Joined
Jan 16, 2013
Messages
4,265
Reaction score
676
I'm sick of hearing of much greater Naruto is than Sasuke. Naruto is greater than Sasuke currently, but not by the huge margin most people think.

Sasuke has a multitude of methods and counters to Naruto.

The biggest, and most incorrect, argument I hear for Naruto is the "Naruto makes 5 BM clones GG Sasuke" argument. While clones certainly provide a few different directions of attack, this has time and again been shown to be inefficient. In fact, most times Naruto divides his chakra amongst huge multitudes of clones, they get fodderized quickly.

Naruto is only able to deal real, effective attacks when he has not made a multitude of clones. If you paid any attention, you would know the KCM clones really didn't deal any damage that required huge drainage of chakra.

So, if Naruto decides to form a few dozen clones as usual, they will get beaten accordingly.

Another argument I hear is that Naruto's speed is much too fast for Sasuke. This is also false.

Sasuke has two advanced versions of the Sharingan, the EMS.

Obito, who only is in possesion of a single MS (not even EMS) has been able to keep up with BM Naruto's movements and fight him accordingly. Sasuke, who has even more enhanced versions of the Sharingan (and two of them as opposed to one) should have an even easier time following Naruto.

A counter I've heard for this is that Naruto wasn't using his full speed when fighting Obito because he wasn't skilled with it, so the MS/EMS argument doesn't work. What they don't realize is, they are contradicting themselves.

If Naruto wasn't using his extreme speed against Obito, who's to say he'd use it against Sasuke? Does fighting Sasuke magically give him perfect control over his speed? Obviously not.

The third argument I hear is that Naruto just posses too much raw power to contend with Sasuke. But is this even true?

Sure, I won't deny Naruto's TBB is the second most powerful we've seen, and at most Sasuke could tank maybe one. But there's something people overlook:

Sasuke is one of the most analytical characters in the Manga. He can pick up on a technique after seeing it briefly. As we know, full powered TBB's take a while to form. We also know that the balance of chakra in each TBB has to be absolutely perfect, or else it won't work. Before Naruto even fires a TBB, who's to say Sasuke couldn't counter with an Ama Arrow? It would certainly throw the balance of chakra off, and actually blow up on Naruto. Sasuke's Ama Arrows have displayed speed enough to not only counter TBB's, but to intercept and destroy incoming ones.

Let's also not forget Sasuke's advantages against Naruto. Sasuke's Enton and Ama are a one-shot jutsu. Unless Naruto can shed parts of himself off, getting hit by an Enton or Ama means a loss.

Ama Arrow is actually the perfect technique for Sasuke and his Sharingan as well. With the sharingan's ability to predict movement, Sasuke can effectively fire Ama Arrows to where Naruto will head next and intercept him. Not to mention that Sasuke could Amateratsu the entire area around them, and prevent Naruto from zipping around hap-hazardly. Susano'o will effectively protect Sasuke from any taijutsu, and Enton Control Sword will solo Naruto's Bijuu Form if he goes into it.

And this was just my warm up thread. I'll be making another one later that will provide scans and additional information, as well as counters to any arguments.

Don't get me wrong, Naruto is still a greater threat than Sasuke, but the margin isn't as large as most think.

This goes completely against your wank against sasuke.
 

AlphaScythian

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Mar 19, 2013
Messages
14,389
Reaction score
1,023
Show me Sasuke deflecting TBB, destroying mountains, and powering up thousands of ninja, then we will talk.
Edit: Or at least feats that rival that.

Show me naruto's tbb killing people...
 

iNotorious

Sage of Six Posts ๐Ÿ”ฎ
Immortal
Joined
Dec 6, 2012
Messages
80,546
Reaction score
4,116
Uchiha macho #2 has arrived.
 

ReZ

Member
Joined
Dec 9, 2012
Messages
1,255
Reaction score
127
There's only one counter that you brought up in this thread.Sasuke's arrow to TBB,the other arguments are merely your oppinion and assumptions.
 

Gerkak

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Apr 11, 2012
Messages
16,382
Reaction score
1,192
Fanboy alert! Have you forgotten about this.

or are you delibetately exclusing it. What do you mean amaterasu are one shot jutsus. Raikage dodged a close range amaterasu and we all know that BM>>>>>>KCM>>> raikage in terms of speed. I know naruto won't oneshot sasuke but atleast make your comparisons sensible and even.
 

sasukexx13

Banned
Veteran
Joined
Mar 5, 2011
Messages
4,342
Reaction score
562
I have to agree with you Man.....Sasuke = Naruto
 

Made in Heaven

Legendary Shinobi ๐Ÿธ
Supreme
Joined
May 30, 2013
Messages
31,444
Reaction score
2,201
I agree, naruto is stronger, but not by z whole lot..... I think. I dunno, its beem so,e time since we've seen sasuke go all out
 

AlphaScythian

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Mar 19, 2013
Messages
14,389
Reaction score
1,023
oh yeah show me juubis TBB killing people. Just because it wasn't shown dosen't mean it won't kill.
I was under impression juubi>>>>>>>>>>>naruto. Only juubi's tbb actually killed shit, naruto didnt.
 

Champ

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Dec 18, 2011
Messages
11,143
Reaction score
661
Already know this, and once Sasuke reveals more of the Eternals power he'll show us why he always owned Naruto
 

xcoyote

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Jun 19, 2013
Messages
8,576
Reaction score
753
I was under impression juubi>>>>>>>>>>>naruto. Only juubi's tbb actually killed shit, naruto didnt.

Tsukuyomi didnt kill shit,yet we both know it can.See what i am doin there mate?
 

Gerkak

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Apr 11, 2012
Messages
16,382
Reaction score
1,192
I was under impression juubi>>>>>>>>>>>naruto. Only juubi's tbb actually killed shit, naruto didnt.

you are delibrately avoiding the point show me where juubis TBB killed someone. The answer is no where. Juubis TBB is obviously stronger than narutos but that doesn't make narutos any less potent.
 

AlphaScythian

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Mar 19, 2013
Messages
14,389
Reaction score
1,023
Tsukuyomi didnt kill shit,yet we both know it can.See what i am doin there mate?
First it was never used with intend to kill by itachi.
Second it was used what? up to 10 total? how many TBBs we've seen? How many were tanked avoided or W/E, who actually died aside fodders?
you are delibrately avoiding the point show me where juubis TBB killed someone. The answer is no where. Juubis TBB is obviously stronger than narutos but that doesn't make narutos any less potent.

Same would apply to bee but suigetsu survived :p
 

YellowFang

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Sep 16, 2010
Messages
9,806
Reaction score
704
Plot shield works more effectively for Sasuke than Naruto...
So, you maybe right... But technically, Naruto is miles ahead as of now...
 
Top