Both Of Them Won

[Koha]

@The ones who replied to me about Naruto not holding back because hes in the same condition as Sasuke..

Well Hashirama was in the same condition as MAdara.. why didn't they tie in the end? Oh wait because in the end, Hashirama had a killing instinct , which led to him not holding back to kill Madara... And when Hashirama chose to kill ... he killed him quite easily.

VOTE 1: Naruto was not strong enough to counter /endure Sasuke in the fight to make it a "draw"... It was either he killed him.. or got himself killed. And he chose to lose that fight (Naruto changed the trajectory of the rasengan to the forehead protector on purpose, making Sasuke realize hes not above him, which reflected back to Sauske's remark on Naruto not being strong enough to even put a scratch on his forehead protector)

VOTE 2: Naruto became strong enough to endure.. and counter sasuke.. while being able to make a "draw".




Do you know what holding back is?

I can hold back against you in a fight.. and still arrive in the same physical conditions as you..


Nope it does matter.

You saying it doesn't matter , has nothing to do with the FACT of the matter.. which was you are the winner.. because you held back and still tied it with me.. You are the stronger one.. You held back and tied it, while also accomplished your goal during the fight.

Doesn't matter, your power has to be used to kill at that point to be able to counteract something that had full on capability of killing you... Only 4 outcomes: Either you counteract, you both die, one dies, or the other dies. They were still at the same level of power. And Naruto had to loosen up against holding back... Naruto had no qualms on dying by Sasuke's side.

 

[riley freeman]

@The ones who replied to me about Naruto not holding back because hes in the same condition as Sasuke..

Well Hashirama was in the same condition as MAdara.. why didn't they tie in the end? Oh wait because in the end, Hashirama had a killing instinct , which led to him not holding back to kill Madara... And when Hashirama chose to kill ... he killed him quite easily.

VOTE 1: Naruto was not strong enough to counter /endure Sasuke in the fight to make it a "draw"... It was either he killed him.. or got himself killed. And he chose to lose that fight (Naruto changed the trajectory of the rasengan to the forehead protector on purpose, making Sasuke realize hes not above him, which reflected back to Sauske's remark on Naruto not being strong enough to even put a scratch on his forehead protector)

VOTE 2: Naruto became strong enough to endure.. and counter sasuke.. while being able to make a "draw".




Do you know what holding back is?

I can hold back against you in a fight.. and still arrive in the same physical conditions as you..


Nope it does matter.

You saying it doesn't matter , has nothing to do with the FACT of the matter.. which was you are the winner.. because you held back and still tied it with me.. You are the stronger one.. You held back and tied it, while also accomplished your goal during the fight.

So if 2 boxers are fighting and one is only countering, how will the other boxer be injured or loss? it makes no sense

 

[riley freeman]

how was sasuke handicapped? I don't remember his fighting as much and as hard as Naruto.
My response was to you saying Naruto didn't held back, but manga speaks otherwise

He was really heldback, he had plenty of opportunities to kill naruto but kishi didn't let it happen

 

[Conspirator.]

Nice thread.

 

[KingHashirama]

Doesn't matter, your power has to be used to kill at that point to be able to counteract something that had full on capability of killing you... Only 4 outcomes: Either you counteract, you both die, one dies, or the other dies. They were still at the same level of power. And Naruto had to loosen up against holding back... Naruto had no qualms on dying by Sasuke's side.

Exactly it doesn't matter, if you 2 are in the same condition.


Physical condition =/= winner of a fight.

win : acquire or secure as a result of a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor.

Naruto is the winner mate.. lol. He changed Sasuke without killing him.. rofl it doesn't take a genius to say who won the fight after that. And Sasuke himself acknowledges it.. If you are a Sasuke fan you should acknowledge it also.

And sure you can bring up the " Naruto said no winners".. because he didn't even think of it as a fight.. rofl.

Just like against Oro vs Hiruzen, Hiruzen was the winner of the fight.

So if 2 boxers are fighting and one is only countering, how will the other boxer be injured or loss? it makes no sense

Boxers is a bad example, thats related to Shinobi kamute. If we were talking about shinobi kamute.. you would be reasonable to bring it up.

1. Madara and Hashirama = Equal the entire fight

2. Hashirama didn't want to kill Madara, untill he implied he doesn't give a f*ck about MAdara's death.

3. When Hashirama realized that he HAS to kill Madara.. He did it quite easily.


4. Naruto and Sasuke = equal the entire fight (NOTICE NARUTO TIED SASUKE + all tailed beasts..)

5. Openly said he doesn't want to kill Sasuke.

6. His whole PURPOSE in the entire fight was to change Sasuke.... WHICH HE DID.. HE ACHIEVED HIS GOAL.. SASUKE DID NOT.



Idk why people have a problem with accepting Naruto won the fight.. when Sasuke himself acknowledges it.. wtf...

 

[riley freeman]

Sorry for the double post

 

[Lord Tywin]

He was really heldback, he had plenty of opportunities to kill naruto but kishi didn't let it happen

what opportunities?

 

[A Perfect Orgasm]

Sasuke is now a Naruto fan

 

[riley freeman]

what opportunities?

like when they clashed at the beginning, or even this chapter, kishi could have made sasuke used genjutsu instead of enton chidori but didn't because it's all part of the plot so saying naruto was held back isn't an argument because it's all part of the plot

 

[Koha]

Exactly it doesn't matter, if you 2 are in the same condition.


Physical condition =/= winner of a fight.

win : acquire or secure as a result of a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor.

Naruto is the winner mate.. lol. He changed Sasuke without killing him.. rofl it doesn't take a genius to say who won the fight after that. And Sasuke himself acknowledges it.. If you are a Sasuke fan you should acknowledge it also.

And sure you can bring up the " Naruto said no winners".. because he didn't even think of it as a fight.. rofl.

Just like against Oro vs Hiruzen, Hiruzen was the winner of the fight.



Boxers is a bad example, thats related to Shinobi kamute. If we were talking about shinobi kamute.. you would be reasonable to bring it up.

1. Madara and Hashirama = Equal the entire fight

2. Hashirama didn't want to kill Madara, untill he implied he doesn't give a f*ck about MAdara's death.

3. When Hashirama realized that he HAS to kill Madara.. He did it quite easily.



Idk why people have a problem with accepting Naruto won the fight.. when Sasuke himself acknowledges it.. wtf...

Sasuke declared himself to take a moral loss... He lost his ambition, while Naruto kept his alive... That's what determined the winner, their battle prowess was on equal level. Not every moment of accepting loss has to deal with accepting loss physically because that's nothing close to what we saw here.

Don't compare Hashirama & Madara to Naruto & Sasuke, because in the end, it was a battle to end the cycle. Plus both of their power scaling & techniques are entirely different.. Both with capabilities that could counter and kill each other, while both nearly did so. In a moral standpoint, I totally agree with you that Naruto won, but battle-wise... It's a draw.. No matter how you cut it.

 

[Lord Tywin]

like when they clashed at the beginning, or even this chapter, kishi could have made sasuke used genjutsu instead of enton chidori but didn't because it's all part of the plot so saying naruto was held back isn't an argument because it's all part of the plot

He couldn't even open his left eye. His best genjutsu feats are from his rinnegan eye. Even if he had used genjutsu he would have ran out of chakra, without dealing a decisive finishing blow

 

[KingHashirama]

Sasuke declared himself to take a moral loss... He lost his ambition, while Naruto kept his alive... That's what determined the winner, their battle prowess was on equal level. Not every moment of accepting loss has to deal with accepting loss physically because that's nothing close to what we saw here.

Don't compare Hashirama & Madara to Naruto & Sasuke, because in the end, it was a battle to end the cycle. Plus both of their power scaling & techniques are entirely different.. Both with capabilities that could counter and kill each other, while both nearly did so. In a moral standpoint, I totally agree with you that Naruto won, but battle-wise... It's a draw.. No matter how you cut it.

What moral loss? Rofl... You can't say their battle prowess is equal.. when one someone with a killing intent was made to draw with someone who didn't even to kill....

HE LOST THE FIGHT........ rofl.

He reffered directly to the physical battle they had. Rofl NAruto uzumaki was the winner of the fight.

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like when they clashed at the beginning, or even this chapter, kishi could have made sasuke used genjutsu instead of enton chidori but didn't because it's all part of the plot so saying naruto was held back isn't an argument because it's all part of the plot

If its all part of the plot, why the hell are *****ing and moaning about Naruto winning the fight?

If its part of the plot.. then accept the plot.. and move on.

And hopefully, you have the ability to realize Genjutsu is pointless against Naruto uzumaki now.. Just like Madara's genjutsu is pointless against Hashirama...

Its funny even Sasuke acknowledged Naruto holding back. XD

 

[riley freeman]

He couldn't even open his left eye. His best genjutsu feats are from his rinnegan eye. Even if he had used genjutsu he would have ran out of chakra, without dealing a decisive finishing blow

He only needs a regular genjutsu to do the job :| and even if he was out of chakra, he could use a weapon to end it

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I would like to offer my sincerest apology to the Sasuke fandom, I know I've been a naughty derp with all the teasing and all, but now that the story has come full circle, both Naruto and Sasuke are, in equal measure, great characters.

 

[ShiroShonen]

That's the way I see it too

 

[WalksInShadows]

He only needs a regular genjutsu to do the job :| and even if he was out of chakra, he could use a weapon to end it

you forgot one minor detail: Naruto is a perfect jin :|

 

[riley freeman]

you forgot one minor detail: Naruto is a perfect jin :|

u forgot one major detail: Kurama wasn't conscious

 

[Zealous Sparks]

It was a nice way for the fight to end with both Naruto and Sasuke being able to finally reconcile.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It was a nice way for the fight to end with both Naruto and Sasuke being able to finally reconcile.

Indeed, 'twas beautiful.

 

[A Perfect Orgasm]

like when they clashed at the beginning, or even this chapter, kishi could have made sasuke used genjutsu instead of enton chidori but didn't because it's all part of the plot so saying naruto was held back isn't an argument because it's all part of the plot

Naruto beat Sasuke
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