Bolt can't beat Sarada IF...

[Natsu Shazneel]

Yea I did. I like it it's badass imo don't see anything wrong with it other than her tilt lol.

Throws shurikens while having the Sakura style.

 

[Aznkidd]

Boruto's rasengan can't do nothing to Sarada. She knows how it works, she has good reaction speed feats and Sharingan pre-cog. She won't be getting hit by it even if she wanted to.

last time i check raikage hit Sasuke like a pup

 

[Styles]

Throws shurikens while having the Sakura style.

Yea but but it fits her imo just need some speed and longer combo's and no more "cha"

 

[King Of Pop]

bolt>sarada

=lndra;20219707]Already explained below, but speed feats don't even matter.

weve gone through this before but i see you still brought the same point so i guess ill counter same way

Sharingan Precog
> Shadow Clones are the viable counter. If you need a reverence point, read VoTE2 CQC fight. Mind you that Sasuke is faster than base Naruto, and Sasuke has a 3T Sharingan.

sarada has a way to combat clones that sasuke doesnt so bringing him up is irrelevant as speed is not the only way to deal with them. manga has also shown that a well timed CES shits all over clones as shown by sakura agianst juubi minions and sarada against shins and both are farr more in number than what bolt has displayed in canon. his clones comes towards her, she does

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and they are eradicated with utmost ease. considering his best feat in terms of amount is 3 or 4, she doesnt even need to jump to generate that power she used there.

Base on that alone she won't win shit. Keep that fan fic to yourself. Boruto doesn't even need the Vanishing Rasengan to beat Sarada, only Shikidai. He could just slam a Rasengan into her body and KO, or slice her neck with a kunai.

he absolutely does need vanishing rasengan because thats the only way his winning this. normal rasengan is nice and all but he has to actually land it and running up straight to her is suicide. so his best bet is to use clone feints and get close which is plausible but if she eradicates them as ive explained then not sure how he would achieve it. but yeah clone feints are the way to go.

Boruto's Rasengan will most likely hit Sarada, for these reasons:
> Intel or no intel doesn't decipher where the Rasengan will land when it becomes invisible. Movie made it clear that even with supposed sensing prowess, Momoshiki got hit because he put his guard down once it vanished, thinking it was gone.

i thought you said he doesnt need vanishing rasengan lol but yeah. although intel does help. knowing the rasengan would vanish once he throws it just means you can prepare yourself to quickly sidestep as boruto doesnt have any control over it once he releases it, if you are not in the way, it doesnt hit you.

> Boruto can use Clones to make the Rasengan more versatile in that category while fighting the opponent. For instance, fighting someone, while a clone prepares it in the background and throws it, the opponent won't notice it until it's too late.

agreed. a smart clone use of it can easily give him the win. strategy is the way to go

> Boruto's Rasengan can curve as shown the first time he showed it to Sasuke. So the movement of the Her 1T Sharingan precog ain't much.

it doesnt curve well enough to the point were she wont be able to get out its hit zones. and the curving is not consistent as it didnt do so against momoshiki. simply went straight towards him.

Shadow clones rape her in CQC, and Sarada doesn't even have CQC feats.

shadow clones absolutely does not rape her in cqc not when the superior shin clones didnt, not when when she can take them out in one hit and when his clones have no feats of defeating anyone, let alone rape them.

She one shot a fodder, while Boruto fought Yurui in CQC, whom is the Elitist from Kumogakure, and with Shikidai (another Prodigy) stood his ground and neither budged in the few seconds they fought in CQC before Shikidai used his shadow possession technique.

yurui or whatever is featless and displayed nothing notable so not sure why you are trying to hype the dude. hes a fodder as well and didnt boruto cheat to get by him? yeah, not helping your point. sarada taking out the shin army is her feat and that>>bolt against yurui. shikdai is a shadow user, not any cqc specialist and he defeated bolt so once again not helping your point.

But then you have people saying Sarada is faster. With what feats?

none and the same applies for bolt

OT: At this point I doubt Boruto would even need SM to beat Sarada's MS.

if not sm, he would require something equivalent or he dies against her is she gets ms.

OT. no. although i do like the idea of byakugou 3t.

 

[lndra]

bolt>sarada

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eve gone through this before but i see you still brought the same point so i guess ill counter same way

I remember something similar, but not the same exact words being used.

sarada has a way to combat clones that sasuke doesnt so bringing him up is irrelevant as speed is not the only way to deal with them. manga has also shown that a well timed CES shits all over clones as shown by sakura agianst juubi minions and sarada against shins and both are farr more in number than what bolt has displayed in canon. his clones comes towards her, she does

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and they are eradicated with utmost ease. considering his best feat in terms of amount is 3 or 4, she doesnt even need to jump to generate that power she used there.

That slam only works if the clones aren't capable. If Boruto can react to her movements, he isn't losing his clones.

he absolutely does need vanishing rasengan because thats the only way his winning this. normal rasengan is nice and all but he has to actually land it and running up straight to her is suicide. so his best bet is to use clone feints and get close which is plausible but if she eradicates them as ive explained then not sure how he would achieve it. but yeah clone feints are the way to go.

Nope. I actually said this last time in the other thread.

The Normal Rasengan and shadow clone combo is the finisher, or hell, a kunai. She can't combat his clones in CQC, and your argument of him losing his clones is awkward unless you can prove that he can't dodge the attack. Considering his use of shadow clones against Shikidai, it's useless.

That's like saying Sakura can take out any number of Naruto clones just because she did it with Juubi monsters. See the dumb logic? Sakura has no friggin CQC feats capable of doing that, meanwhile here you are doing the same thing but the reverse :lol

i thought you said he doesnt need vanishing rasengan lol but yeah. although intel does help. knowing the rasengan would vanish once he throws it just means you can prepare yourself to quickly sidestep as boruto doesnt have any control over it once he releases it, if you are not in the way, it doesnt hit you.

Vulpini said that the Vanishing Rasengan wouldn't hit her anyway, so I argued why it would hit anyone. You can only sidestep an attack that you see coming and one that was moving linear beforehand.

Way too many uses for that not to happen.

agreed. a smart clone use of it can easily give him the win. strategy is the way to go

right

it doesnt curve well enough to the point were she wont be able to get out its hit zones. and the curving is not consistent as it didnt do so against momoshiki. simply went straight towards him.

I. He threw it on the right side and it ended up on Sasuke's far right. It didn't curve well "enough" :lol
II. He was floating in front of Momoshiki and you wanted him to throw it ... where?

shadow clones absolutely does not rape her in cqc not when the superior shin clones didnt, not when when she can take them out in one hit and when his clones have no feats of defeating anyone, let alone rape them.

Show me a scan of Sarada fighting any form of clones in CQC. Sarada using Shannaro smash on a bunch of Shin clones isn't CQC. I'm talking about her actually fighting these clones with her bare fists. Their movements will be too much for her Sharingan, as shown by Naruto and Sasuke's fight @ VoTE2.

yurui or whatever is featless and displayed nothing notable so not sure why you are trying to hype the dude. hes a fodder as well and didnt boruto cheat to get by him? yeah, not helping your point. sarada taking out the shin army is her feat and that>>bolt against yurui. shikdai is a shadow user, not any cqc specialist and he defeated bolt so once again not helping your point.

Yurui is sttated to be the Elitist of Kumogakure. The only fodder from Kumo was the one that Sarada fought, and the other one who defeated by Mitsuki. Boruto cheating has nothing to do with CQC because I was talking about their fight before the Ninjutsu brawl.

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For reverence.

Not at all. Sarada didn't fight an Shins bar the Chapter 2-3 one, I have no idea why you keep bringing up her using CES on a pile of them which did absolutely nothing for her actual hand to hand combat feat. Boruto actually got feats from fighting people up close counter for counter whom were stated to be the top shinobi of their generation, and Sarada got to punch a pile of Shin's while dropping in the middle of them, and if we were to suppose that they all had the same feats from the one introduced in Chapter 2 or 3, it would be a bad match against her because one was capable of dodging a chakra hand from Naruto. Meaning they would neg anyone from this current generation in a 1 on 1.

none and the same applies for bolt

Not true at all.

 

[King Of Pop]

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when is the new manga coming up? just curious.

I remember something similar, but not the same exact words being used.

lol you changed certain things but your reasoning is indeed similar

That slam only works if the clones aren't capable. If Boruto can react to her movements, he isn't losing his clones.

reacting is not necessarily the issue, its having the required speed to completely evade her aoe before she strikes and i dont see any speed feats indicating he could

The Normal Rasengan and shadow clone combo is the finisher, or hell, a kunai. She can't combat his clones in CQC, and your argument of him losing his clones is awkward unless you can prove that he can't dodge the attack. Considering his use of shadow clones against Shikidai, it's useless.

clones and rasengan can indeed be the finisher if he can feint her but ive given proof that she take out his clones in a hit and you havent provided any speed or reaction feat from him that can allow him evade her aoe. she doesnt need to combat his clones directly when she can finish them another way. she can use shurikens as well if that helps.

That's like saying Sakura can take out any number of Naruto clones just because she did it with Juubi monsters. See the dumb logic? Sakura has no friggin CQC feats capable of doing that, meanwhile here you are doing the same thing but the reverse :lol

bolts shadow clones havent shown any noteworthy attacks that allow me to just give them feats of raping sarada, none whatsoever. your argument doesnt stand when shes already shown to disperse a clone army. your point would only stand if bolts clones have shown to be more capable than the shins but no such feat exist for him, its that simple. and what naruto are we talking about? Ep 2 naruto? yes i dont see why sakura cant shit all over his clones with her ground punches

Vulpini said that the Vanishing Rasengan wouldn't hit her anyway, so I argued why it would hit anyone. You can only sidestep an attack that you see coming and one that was moving linear beforehand.

ok

I. He threw it on the right side and it ended up on Sasuke's far right. It didn't curve well "enough" :lol
II. He was floating in front of Momoshiki and you wanted him to throw it ... where?

fine then on 1. concerning 2, my point was it didnt curve while moving towards momoshiki, it moved straight towards him

Show me a scan of Sarada fighting any form of clones in CQC. Sarada using Shannaro smash on a bunch of Shin clones isn't CQC.

lol why exactly does she need to specifically engage them directly in CQC?

I'm talking about her actually fighting these clones with her bare fists. Their movements will be too much for her Sharingan, as shown by Naruto and Sasuke's fight @ VoTE2.

again, explain to me why not fighting them directly is relevant when it doesnt change the outcome of the situation, which is that they got knocked on their ass? bolt is not naruto, his clones movement ability is featless to make any claim that they run rings around her sharingan which they wont get the chance with her ces smash. thats simply her way of dealing with them

then theres the fact that sarada herself is hardly slow. she showed good movement against original shin jnr when she evaded his chains from close range, cleverly stepped on them to give cho cho an opening. that was before she awakened her sharingan. she was able to quickly react and end the juubimon before he could warp them away. considering the similarity of that tech to kamui, its something noteworthy, she also was quick to react while her team was falling into the ditch and used her wires to get a grip while mitsuki pulled them up etc.

yes i know, they arent that so impressive but its certainly something to take into account. combine that with her ces ability and sharingan and bolts lack of adequate movement feats and yeah hes not going to be too fast for her eyes.

Yurui is stated to be the Elitist of Kumogakure. The only fodder from Kumo was the one that Sarada fought. Boruto cheating has nothing to do with CQC because I was talking about their fight before the Ninjutsu brawl.

statements like that dont mean much when looking at his performance which wasnt anything special and certainly not something sarada cant deal with. didnt one shot refer to sarada as an elite genin? so yeah, doesnt prove anything.

Not at all. Sarada didn't fight an Shins bar the Chapter 2-3 one, I have no idea why you keep bringing up her using CES on a pile of them which did absolutely nothing for her actual hand to hand combat feat. Meanwhile Boruto is actually fighting people up close counter for counter, and Sarada just punched a pile of Shin's in the middle, with by feats, would neg her no difficulty.

she negged the shins period., how she did it is irrelevant to the point so stop bringing it up. staright up CQC is not the only way to go so am baffled as to why you are limiting this battle into that

Not true at all.

it kinda is

like i said, bolt would win but some of the method you are using wont cut it

 

[lndra]

when is the new manga coming up? just curious.

Spring I think

lol you changed certain things but your reasoning is indeed similar

Same argument but this time I added the blank spaces.

reacting is not necessarily the issue, its having the required speed to completely evade her aoe before she strikes and i dont see any speed feats indicating he could

If you don't react before she hits the ground, it's over.

She doesn't have the speed feats that would require him to do so. Anyway, I already showcased that portion in the latter fights.

clones and rasengan can indeed be the finisher if he can feint her but ive given proof that she take out his clones in a hit and you havent provided any speed or reaction feat from him that can allow him evade her aoe. she doesnt need to combat his clones directly when she can finish them another way. she can use shurikens as well if that helps.

I. You basically argued that she could take out his clones, when she can't.
II. We both know that you need to use this argument because of what was said before.
III. The reason why she can't take his clones out with this method is because she lacks the feats of capability. How does she move well enough that he can't counter? Saying she did this and that to a Shin isn't an argument when even the Shin's reacted to her jump by throwing a Kunai.

What exactly is stopping Boruto from dodging in the air with his clones?

bolts shadow clones havent shown any noteworthy attacks that allow me to just give them feats of raping sarada, none whatsoever. your argument doesnt stand when shes already shown to disperse a clone army. your point would only stand if bolts clones have shown to be more capable than the shins but no such feat exist for him, its that simple. and what naruto are we talking about? Ep 2 naruto? yes i dont see why sakura cant shit all over his clones with her ground punches

Boruto actually has CQC feats that Sarada doesn't, so the question isn't on noteworthy attacks, but argument change.

Nope. The Shin argument actually showcases why Boruto would win in the first place. The problem with the creatures is that they saw Sarada coming, did nothing but throw a weapon at her, then waited for her to arrive without knowing the devastating force behind her greeting. Change scenarios and ask yourself if Bolt or his clones would throw a Kunai and wait for Sarada until she counters it or dodges :lol

Any Sakura with devasting AOE prowess with any Naruto around the same arc.

fine then on 1. concerning 2, my point was it didnt curve while moving towards momoshiki, it moved straight towards him

That's fine, but like I explained earlier he threw it straight at Momoshiki because he was floating straight at Momoshiki.

Why would he aim it purposely to curve?

lol why exactly does she need to specifically engage them directly in CQC?

You mean the thing that Sarada mains? Her fighting style involves close quarters combat lol.

again, explain to me why not fighting them directly is relevant when it doesnt change the outcome of the situation, which is that they got knocked on their ass? bolt is not naruto, his clones movement ability is featless to make any claim that they run rings around her sharingan which they wont get the chance with her ces smash. thats simply her way of dealing with them

I. She can't automatically deal with his clones as explained above
II. He has the advantage here because her counter for them doesn't work like that.

then theres the fact that sarada herself is hardly slow. she showed good movement against original shin jnr when she evaded his chains from close range, cleverly stepped on them to give cho cho an opening. that was before she awakened her sharingan. she was able to quickly react and end the juubimon before he could warp them away. considering the similarity of that tech to kamui, its something noteworthy, she also was quick to react while her team was falling into the ditch and used her wires to get a grip while mitsuki pulled them up etc.

I. Look it at again. Shin opened a scroll and summoned the chain, a few seconds before throwing it. Even Chou Chou moved out of the way and made note that he was about to do something funny with them. Her movements after aren't speed feats.

II. The Mini Juubi's ability is half assed to call it Kamui given the feats, and watch the scene again, Boruto among two others were shown reacting first, but he decided not to try by giving up and then his team mates moved.

yes i know, they arent that so impressive but its certainly something to take into account. combine that with her ces ability and sharingan and bolts lack of adequate movement feats and yeah hes not going to be too fast for her eyes.

Bolt having adequate moving feats was a nice laugh.

It's hard to.

statements like that dont mean much when looking at his performance which wasnt anything special and certainly not something sarada cant deal with. didnt one shot refer to sarada as an elite genin? so yeah, doesnt prove anything.

Statements doesn't mean anything when coming from official sources, and then quotes another message from a one shot gag manga chapter that Kishimoto helped in.

Hilarious :lol

You can find it the Boruto movie DB

she negged the shins period., how she did it is irrelevant to the point so stop bringing it up. staright up CQC is not the only way to go so am baffled as to why you are limiting this battle into that

That's not the argument and read this time. CQC involves combat between two people going back in forth.

Sarada didn't even physically fight a Shin, she jumped in the middle and used CES. Stop avoiding the question, I'm baffled in this argument smh. Show me a scan of Sarada fighting Shin in Cqc, if you need an example, go watch Sasuke fight him in chapter 2.

it kinda is

like i said, bolt would win but some of the method you are using wont cut it

Listen I wouldnt be saying this if I didn't confirm this with a debator way way way way way better than me