BM + SM Won't Happen, here's why.

[ImNoOne]

I was thinking about how Sage Mode (SM) works and I find it unlikely Naruto will merge BM and SM, both because of plot reasons and because it would prove to hard for him to do so.

-Sage Mode is the perfect balance between 3 chakra components; Yin, Yang and Nature. By adding Kurama it would either add a 4th component (only Yin) or a 4th and a 5th (in case Naruto does get the other half currently with Minato).

-In any case this means more than 3 components.

-Not only this would be obviously quite harder to balance and achieve it would also carry several problems to the plot:

-If Naruto has to include Kurama's chakra he will need to upgrade/uphold the amount of chakra spent every moment to maintain the Sage Mode, because Kurama's chakra is enormous. This would mean alot more prep time, which in mid battle is little probable to happen or it would mean a far less durable SM time.

-In addition to the above adding the 4th and 5th chakra components would mean that the remaining components would be reduced from a 3rd to a 5th, i.e. there would be less Nature chakra in SM, rendering SM less effective against Obito.


So adding that all up it makes little sense for Kishi to merge the two basically because it would mean a whole lot of trouble for Naruto to manage it and even more importantly because it would not help Naruto.

The beauty of Nature chakra in Sage Mode is that Naruto can gather just the right amount to match his own chakra, adding Kurama to the mix would mean either to draw little Kurama chakra, why do you want to use a tail beast if your going to use little chakra of it? or the need to boost his own chakra reserves to match Kurama's and then gather a massive amount of Nature chakra - which is atm impossible.

 

[siege]

You forget it's Kishi's manga he can do whatever he wants to do and it's going to happen believe it

 

[Gatsuuga]

But what if it isn't a separate component? Naruto has noticed that the 10-tails is an infinity bundle of natural energy. The tailed beasts were formed by dividing the ten-tails chakra so its likely that the chakra type is the same. Kurama also has shown to collect chakra in a similar sitting manner to how naruto collects nature energy for SM.

Its quite possible that whilst slightly different tailed beast chakra may still have some compatibility with nature energy.

 

[xjimbox]

You say this as if you know the exact capacity of nature chakra he can hold... I complealty Disagree with your post even though you do throw up a valid argument.

Out of all the things that has happened in this manga It's safe to say to expect the unexpected.

 

[MaGilla]

lol he did it while facing down nagato...

 

[Morakis]

But what if it isn't a separate component? Naruto has noticed that the 10-tails is an infinity bundle of natural energy. The tailed beasts were formed by dividing the ten-tails chakra so its likely that the chakra type is the same. Kurama also has shown to collect chakra in a similar sitting manner to how naruto collects nature energy for SM.

Its quite possible that whilst slightly different tailed beast chakra may still have some compatibility with nature energy.

i agree completely, also when Naruto met Nagato remember his eyes, it was a combination of SM and the 9tails chakra, even for a moment! But we will see!

 

[siege]

Well the fact is he's already done it when he was face to face with Nagato besides Kurama's chakra is always in the mix it leaks out from the seal into Naruto

 

[itachiamaterasu]

ur an idiot... your forgetting...
this overpowered nagato EASY MODE and this will own obito...

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[johnny scars]

kishi's pen>end this thread

 

[MaGilla]

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this disproves everything in your thread.

 

[YellowFang]

While in BM/KCM, Naruto uses Kurama's chakra not his own...
Also, to gain SM one must balance three forms... Like you said, Yin, Yang & Nature

It doesn't matter if it's Kurama's yin or Naruto's, in the end it's a yin chakra...

If Naruto gets other half of the Kurama, he'd logically be able to balance 3 forms and gain SM far more destructive and superior than current...

And since in BM, Naruto has 100 times his own chakra that means he'll gain 100 times more SM duration...

 

[ImNoOne]

No he has not done it while facing Nagato. What we saw happening was his rage giving Kurama the upper hand and the result of that was his SM dissipated.

While it is true that Kurama and the tailed beast collect chakra from Nature they do have chakra Natures of their own, so when they collect the chakra they turn it to their own. The same principle actually applies to everyone else. Human characters, regular shinobi, may not know how they do it, or even be aware they are doing it but the chakra level are replenished with rest and time.

As the chakra is clearly not appearing out of no where we must obviously assume it's coming from somewhere and the only available place is the nature chakra present and surrounding everything. That Nature chakra is then converted into ones own chakra. The same happens with the tailed beasts.

Now remember that the Gedo Mazo underwent a huge period between Obito started it and it finally awake as Juubi and it's still not a complete from. So it is probable that the first stage was to revert all the different chakras into Nature chakra before converting it to the Juubi chakra.

I am obviously aware it's Kishi's manga and he does whatever he wants to. I'm just saying that according to his own logic SM + BM does not make sense at this stage, specially because of the fact that Kurama's chakra would reduce the amount of Nature chakra in the mix rendering the whole mode less effective against Obito.

 

[Everztar]

dude, here's how it goes:
Kurama's Yin
Kurama's Yang
and Kurama's Nature

then turn into BM, simple as that.

 

[The Western Wheel]

Yin + Yang(kuramayin/yang release) + senjutsu(sage mode)+ Naruto(medium) will be Sage mode.

Creation of all time + Nature energy + Naruto = temporary SBM he will be a So6P for a while. Dattebayo!

 

[xjimbox]

No he has not done it while facing Nagato. What we saw happening was his rage giving Kurama the upper hand and the result of that was his SM dissipated.

While it is true that Kurama and the tailed beast collect chakra from Nature they do have chakra Natures of their own, so when they collect the chakra they turn it to their own. The same principle actually applies to everyone else. Human characters, regular shinobi, may not know how they do it, or even be aware they are doing it but the chakra level are replenished with rest and time.

As the chakra is clearly not appearing out of no where we must obviously assume it's coming from somewhere and the only available place is the nature chakra present and surrounding everything. That Nature chakra is then converted into ones own chakra. The same happens with the tailed beasts.

Now remember that the Gedo Mazo underwent a huge period between Obito started it and it finally awake as Juubi and it's still not a complete from. So it is probable that the first stage was to revert all the different chakras into Nature chakra before converting it to the Juubi chakra.

I am obviously aware it's Kishi's manga and he does whatever he wants to. I'm just saying that according to his own logic SM + BM does not make sense at this stage, specially because of the fact that Kurama's chakra would reduce the amount of Nature chakra in the mix rendering the whole mode less effective against Obito.

Dude it was clearly drawn in the manga and anime... Quit being so blind and just except it

 

[siege]

Even with proof huh, well we will see soon I think the eternal sage mode yeah

 

[reizon]

i think sm+bm is definately hapoening, if not those eyes combo during nagato and naruto conversation wudnt make any sense.!!

 

[dildobaggins369]

I was thinking about how Sage Mode (SM) works and I find it unlikely Naruto will merge BM and SM, both because of plot reasons and because it would prove to hard for him to do so.

-Sage Mode is the perfect balance between 3 chakra components; Yin, Yang and Nature. By adding Kurama it would either add a 4th component (only Yin) or a 4th and a 5th (in case Naruto does get the other half currently with Minato).

-In any case this means more than 3 components.

-Not only this would be obviously quite harder to balance and achieve it would also carry several problems to the plot:

-If Naruto has to include Kurama's chakra he will need to upgrade/uphold the amount of chakra spent every moment to maintain the Sage Mode, because Kurama's chakra is enormous. This would mean alot more prep time, which in mid battle is little probable to happen or it would mean a far less durable SM time.

-In addition to the above adding the 4th and 5th chakra components would mean that the remaining components would be reduced from a 3rd to a 5th, i.e. there would be less Nature chakra in SM, rendering SM less effective against Obito.


So adding that all up it makes little sense for Kishi to merge the two basically because it would mean a whole lot of trouble for Naruto to manage it and even more importantly because it would not help Naruto.

The beauty of Nature chakra in Sage Mode is that Naruto can gather just the right amount to match his own chakra, adding Kurama to the mix would mean either to draw little Kurama chakra, why do you want to use a tail beast if your going to use little chakra of it? or the need to boost his own chakra reserves to match Kurama's and then gather a massive amount of Nature chakra - which is atm impossible.

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That actually proves why Naruto will fuse BM and SM.
You stated that Sage mode requires perfect balance between Yin, Yang and Nature chakra. Well you see, Naruto currently only has the Yang half of kurama, making it impossible for him to balance Yin, Yang and Nature whilst using BM. But once he gains the Yin portion of Kurama, creating a balance between Yin, Yang and Nature will then be possible.

Edit: 69th Post, sit on my face please.

 

[Sazzi]

here is the reasoning behind what makes this possible... now before he could not merge with the great sages because kurama would aggitate naruto's chakra and not allow... so wat about now that kurama is friendly... i agree the way its been explained the two power ups should not be active at one time... but wouldnt be surprised if they did spring it and use that reasoning...

 

[ImNoOne]

Oh thick heads. That panel with Kyuubi eyes appearing while during SM is only proof that it wont work! As soon as the Kyuubi eyes appeared Naruto lost SM. Stop being fanboys and think, I just brought you logic proof it wont happen.