BM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

Enton Kagutsuchi is him manipulating the Enton. His Enton which merely appears on his Susano is not a Kagutsuchi

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. His right eye only shapes the flames, it does not cast them. Being an MS technique does not change anything, it's simply a KKG element and it has nothing to do with his ability to channel it through his Susano unless you can back up this claim. He's used it as if it was a regular KKG when he manipulated it with his hand [

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]. And anyways, without that line of reasoning we can still suggest he can do it because he did it at VOTE2. VOTE2 granted him nothing which would give his PS that ability. All he got was Rikudo chakra which increased his overall ability to fight, which doesn't mean he gets the ability to channel Raiton through his Susano. It didn't open up Tenketsu which were previously not present or anything of the like.

Wrong again. The only way Sasuke can use Enton without actually using Amaterasu is with Kagutsuchi. Shown and stated. Thus the ability "Enton Kagutsuchi" is why he can use Enton on his Susanoo and his physical body. Your pic does nothing but prove my point and proves the underlined false. Sasuke obviously didn't use Amaterasu there, thus it was Kagutsuchi. As he clearly states.

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Kagutsuchi again. No other technique at all. Enton lets him form and shape the flames without having to cast Amaterasu first. What you've shown is that Enton Kagutsuchi allows Sasuke to use Enton flame with his physical body and his Susanoo. Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not "he can use any type of Ninjutsu through his Susanoo". PS Chidori is a Rikudo Sasuke feat thus Rikudo Sasuke is the only one to get it. It being an elemental nature doesn't prove anything. No reason to believe EMS Sasuke can replicate it, as shown by your faulty argument.

Kakashi only being capable of using Kamui Shuriken because of Rikudo chakra is an assumption

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No.

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Kakashi asks himself if using Kamui on the Shuriken is possible, then when he realizes it is, he attributes it to Rikudo's power making his eyes stronger.

Only argument you can make is that without Rikudo chakra it wouldn't have been anywhere near that power because of the Rikudo chakra potency boost. Had he had PS without Rikudo chakra it could've been a possibility as well for him.

Uh, no.

And anyways, even if he couldn't, that doesn't change anything since it's not a chakra nature in the first place. Naruto could only use BDFRS because of his increased increased chakra control, and the fact that he received Gudo Dama which he didn't have before. Sasuke's situation is nothing like this, he's already shown chakra control when manipulating his KKG element through his Susano and he's used Enton's which have the same chakra amounts as COFRS without being phased by it. A PS Chidori on a weaker level (due to the lack of Rikudo chakra) is definitely a possibility.

And how is it being a chakra nature relevant to anything? It's a combination attack that couldn't be used before the boost in power. Same goes for Naruto, and the Gudo Dama business has been addressed. It being an element literally proves nothing when he can only channel said element through his Susanoo due to a specific jutsu.

 

[Kagustuchi]

There is absolutely nothing preventing Naruto from splitting his avatar into half. Madara has already created 25 Susano clones, at 1/25th power. Naruto's BM clone would be 1/2 power or 1/3rd power, etc depending on how many clones he makes. BDFRS requires Gudo Dama, so it's definitely not happening. Nor does he have the chakra control. And I'm pretty sure Madara channeled his Katon through his Susano versus the Gokage and I know for a fact that he used his Susano to bring the meteor from the sky given the Susano used hand seals, probably as an amplified form of BT.

Enton is a jutsu and it channeled through his Susano forms. Hence his Susano possesses the ability to channel chakra, which is further established in VOTE2 when Sasuke uses Raiton with his Susano.

The last sentence is completely irrelevant. That's like saying Rikudo Naruto can't use chakra arms in BM fight because he didn't in his fight with Sasuke.

I never said I believed it, I'm just going by your line of thinking.

- Naruto made BDFRS without Gudo Dama us in the avatar
- your chakra control point could be leveled at Sasuke
- He didn't use PS, we're no talking lower level Susano'O. As you don't have to output anywhere near as much chakra at once

That's not the same.

 

[Tarinth]

There is absolutely nothing preventing Naruto from splitting his avatar into half. Madara has already created 25 Susano clones, at 1/25th power. Naruto's BM clone would be 1/2 power or 1/3rd power, etc depending on how many clones he makes. BDFRS requires Gudo Dama, so it's definitely not happening. Nor does he have the chakra control. And I'm pretty sure Madara channeled his Katon through his Susano versus the Gokage and I know for a fact that he used his Susano to bring the meteor from the sky given the Susano used hand seals, probably as an amplified form of BT.

Enton is a jutsu and it channeled through his Susano forms. Hence his Susano possesses the ability to channel chakra, which is further established in VOTE2 when Sasuke uses Raiton with his Susano.

The last sentence is completely irrelevant. That's like saying Rikudo Naruto can't use chakra arms in BM fight because he didn't in his fight with Sasuke.

Creating clones doesn't divide your power, it divides your chakra. That means the potency of your jutsu doesn't go down,
but each clone can use less jutsu that one whole being. Thus, if Naruto had enough chakra, and it is questionable if he does,
he could've created Ashura Avatar when he was just in BM. 3 clones using BM at the same time means burning 3 times as
much chakra at a time, but also it means outputting 3 times as much power at a time.

Additionally, there is no proof that Sasuke cannot use chidori with his PS, but at the same time, there is no proof that he can.
Susanoo might be able to channel chakra, but an increase in the strength of the user makes using certain jutsu easier, thus
meaning Sasuke might not have the necessary ability to create a PS Chidori without Rikudo chakra. The burden of the proof
lies on the affirmative, and since there is no way of proving it either way, PS Chidori for EMS Sasuke can be considered
fan-fic.

Furthermore, if you want to use that logic, then my point about the Ashura Avatar stands, although that might cut down
the time of his BM, but still, Ashura Avatar stomps on Sasuke's PS.

 

[BLAZE]

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huh i thought he used one of his three remaining goudama's to form that :|

 

[Apêx1]

I never said I believed it, I'm just going by your line of thinking.

- Naruto made BDFRS without Gudo Dama us in the avatar
- your chakra control point could be leveled at Sasuke
- He didn't use PS, we're no talking lower level Susano'O. As you don't have to output anywhere near as much chakra at once

That's not the same.

-When Naruto can make Asura Avatar in Base you'll have a viable point. Until then it's irrelevant, not to mention Naruto lacks the chakra control to do such a thing pre-Rikudo boost.

-Not when he's already manipulated Enton with his Susano. Chidori doesn't take tremendous chakra control anyways, it's simply forming a blade with Raiton. Nothing when compared to FRS types of attacks (not even factoring in the amount of chakra he uses).

I have no idea what the third dash is supposed to be replying to.

-But it is. Not shown=couldn't, by your logic.

 

[Apêx1]

Wrong again. The only way Sasuke can use Enton without actually using Amaterasu is with Kagutsuchi. Shown and stated. Thus the ability "Enton Kagutsuchi" is why he can use Enton on his Susanoo and his physical body. Your pic does nothing but prove my point and proves the underlined false. Sasuke obviously didn't use Amaterasu there, thus it was Kagutsuchi. As he clearly states.

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Kagutsuchi again. No other technique at all. Enton lets him form and shape the flames without having to cast Amaterasu first. What you've shown is that Enton Kagutsuchi allows Sasuke to use Enton flame with his physical body and his Susanoo. Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not "he can use any type of Ninjutsu through his Susanoo". PS Chidori is a Rikudo Sasuke feat thus Rikudo Sasuke is the only one to get it. It being an elemental nature doesn't prove anything. No reason to believe EMS Sasuke can replicate it, as shown by your faulty argument.

The Enton simply appeared on his Susano

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, it was not a Kagutsuchi because he didn't form them in any way. And I hope to god you don't believe he can cast Amaterasu on the parts of Susano behind him. Kagutsuchi allows him to manipulate the flames, Enton does not. Thus when Enton appears on his Susano he has just channeled his chakra nature into his Susano.

No.

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Kakashi asks himself if using Kamui on the Shuriken is possible, then when he realizes it is, he attributes it to Rikudo's power making his eyes stronger.

This is the only thing that I am iffy about right now.

Uh, no.

And how is it being a chakra nature relevant to anything? It's a combination attack that couldn't be used before the boost in power. Same goes for Naruto, and the Gudo Dama business has been addressed. It being an element literally proves nothing when he can only channel said element through his Susanoo due to a specific jutsu.

It would mean he can channel it into his Susano, thus create a Chidori.

 

[Curse Mark]

Cee literally said "He can control the flames and even manipulate their shape?"
When sasuke put it on his susanoo

 

[Lord Tywin]

huh i thought he used one of his three remaining goudama's to form that :|

No you can see the gududama besides Naruto's head in the scan I posted

 

[BLAZE]

No you can see the gududama besides Naruto's head in the scan I posted

Yeah 1.He had 3 so he can use any one of them to make BDFRS.

But what u r implying is naruto can make BDFRS without using goudama so either he can create them which he or anyone else hasn't shown[Except kaguya's Giant TSB] or he used Bijuu Dama which i don't think his avatar can create via hands :|

 

[Lord Tywin]

Yeah 1.He had 3 so he can use any one of them to make BDFRS.

But what u r implying is naruto can make BDFRS without using goudama so either he can create them which he or anyone else hasn't shown[Except kaguya's Giant TSB] or he used Bijuu Dama which i don't think his avatar can create via hands :|

What do you think BDFRS is? :lol it's just a bijuu dama with wind nature manipulation. The only time he's shown to need guduodamas is when he doesn't have his avatar up.

 

[BLAZE]

What do you think BDFRS is? :lol it's just a bijuu dama with wind nature manipulation. The only time he's shown to need guduodamas is when he doesn't have his avatar up.

yeah and naruto or his avatar cannot create bijuudama via hands or i m missing something

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[Lord Tywin]

yeah and naruto or his avatar cannot create bijuudama via hands

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[BLAZE]

He did in the scan I showed, and nothing suggests he was using guduodamas.

hmmmm he did use it every time while making BDFRS,Havn't see any bijuu avatar creating bijuudama via hands

And you're wrong. Naruto already was able to semi create BD in KCM.

U mean when he was practising to make one.he nvr fully created it

 

[Lord Tywin]

hmmmm he did use it every time while making BDFRS,Havn't see any bijuu avatar creating bijuudama via hands

U mean when he was practising to make one.he nvr fully created it

Yeah because he didn't complete his training. He was making BD in BM without his avatar.
As I said, no reason to say he can't make BDFRS with his hands. He already can make them in his cloak less BM, he only needs to add wind chakra to it.

 

[BLAZE]

Yeah because he didn't complete his training. He was making BD in BM without his avatar.
As I said, no reason to say he can't make BDFRS with his hands. He already can make them in his cloak less BM, he only needs to add wind chakra to it.

i remember he did create mini bijuudama rasengan via kcm and clone i think which was countered via madara's gunbai but i still fail to see creation of TBB via hands by any jin in avatar form
All of them[including naruto] uses mouth to create and fire TBB.Naruto was using TSB each and every time to create BDFRS so imo he used same in VOTE 2

 

[Lord Tywin]

i remember he did create mini bijuudama rasengan via kcm and clone i think which was countered via madara's gunbai but i still fail to see creation of TBB via hands by any jin in avatar form
All of them[including naruto] uses mouth to create and fire TBB.Naruto was using TSB each and every time to create BDFRS so imo he used same in VOTE 2

Also the size of the BDFRS increase when naruto was adding fuuton to it aka expanding of goudama

It's just a smaller BD. Same properties, but just smaller, because he can't hold a normal TBB without his avatar due to the chakra's weight.

 

[BLAZE]

It's just a smaller BD. Same properties, but just smaller because he can't hold a normal TBB without his avatar due to the chakra's weight.

Hmm Dunno TSB have all 5 natures alongside Yin & Yang dunno if Bijudama's have all of them
TBB's can be expanded u know :|

 

[Lord Tywin]

bruhhhhhhhh

 

[BLAZE]

bruhhhhhhhh

lmao i was misread ur whole post was eating while typing and battery was running out

 

[TRE MERCER]

Doesn't matter since that size rasengan would be well above mountain level.

Bijuudama amd susanoo arrow. Not just bijuudama so that comparison can't be applied.

All naruto did was add sm.

No that Rasengan isn't anywhere near Mountain level. That Rasengan was the combined efforts of Minato and Naruto. Obito used 1 Tsb to block their Rasengan[

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]. He used multiple to block the Bijuudama and Susanooo arrows show here[

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] We can see three of them rushing to block Obito.​

No it isn't bijuu dama and rasengan follow the same principles. A rasengan or frs that big is well above mountain buster, since frs on its own (standard one at that) is hill to small mountain buster itself, and Cho odama is hyped to hollow out mountains. Scaled up its superior.

Can't believe you just said that. A huge frs didn't even make an explosion comparable to bijuudama's[

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] L0l a chou Rasengan couldn't even best a Susanoo rib-cage[

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Yet it can hollow out mountains? Smh hilarious.​