BM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke

[Lord Tywin]

Sasuke's PS Chidori would logically be usable without Rikudo chakra. Only because the PS is composed of Rikudo chakra doesn't mean it does anything other then increase its durability/strength/etc. There's absolutely nothing leading me to believe it's the reason he can channel his Raiton nature through it. And no, him not having done it without Rikudo chakra is not a viable argument, it just means he didn't do it, it does not prove he can't nor does it suggest such a thing. Enton is also a KKG chakra nature and he's channeled it just fine through his Susano in the past, so any chakra control arguments are irrelevant. Anyways, Kishi wanted Naruto and Sasuke to be somewhat equals at all stages of the manga. Naruto's BM vs Sasuke's PS would've been a stalemate, and Sasuke's PS+CM was supposed to stalemate Naruto's BSM. If you restrict anything from the two then logically speaking, the unrestricted one would win.

this is implying the quality and quantity of senjutsu chakra is the same in SM and CM.

 

[KidGamer65]

Enton Kagutsuchi is his ms tech with that ability. Irrelevant example as what you are comparing isnt the same thing. Without that line of reason there is no reason to believe that Sasuke can use Chidori or any other tech with his Susanoo.

Kakashi could only combine Kamui with the Shuriken due to the power he got. Naruto could only use BDFRS with the power he got.

And kishis intent doesnt help when what you are claiming is his intent is based off of assumptions, and when his Manga has painted something else entirely. He showed us that Sasuke can only stalemate a Naruto who doesnt use anything above a standard BD. Thats not equality.

 

[Apêx1]

Enton Kagutsuchi is his ms tech with that ability. Irrelevant example as what you are comparing isnt the same thing. Without that line of reason there is no reason to believe that Sasuke can use Chidori or any other tech with his Susanoo.

Kakashi could only combine Kamui with the Shuriken due to the power he got. Naruto could only use BDFRS with the power he got.

Enton Kagutsuchi is him manipulating the Enton. His Enton which merely appears on his Susano is not a Kagutsuchi

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. His right eye only shapes the flames, it does not cast them. Being an MS technique does not change anything, it's simply a KKG element and it has nothing to do with his ability to channel it through his Susano unless you can back up this claim. He's used it as if it was a regular KKG when he manipulated it with his hand [

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]. And anyways, without that line of reasoning we can still suggest he can do it because he did it at VOTE2. VOTE2 granted him nothing which would give his PS that ability. All he got was Rikudo chakra which increased his overall ability to fight, which doesn't mean he gets the ability to channel Raiton through his Susano. It didn't open up Tenketsu which were previously not present or anything of the like.

Kakashi only being capable of using Kamui Shuriken because of Rikudo chakra is an assumption. Only argument you can make is that without Rikudo chakra it wouldn't have been anywhere near that power because of the Rikudo chakra potency boost. Had he had PS without Rikudo chakra it could've been a possibility as well for him. And anyways, even if he couldn't, that doesn't change anything since it's not a chakra nature in the first place. Naruto could only use BDFRS because of his increased increased chakra control, and the fact that he received Gudo Dama which he didn't have before. Sasuke's situation is nothing like this, he's already shown chakra control when manipulating his KKG element through his Susano and he's used Enton's which have the same chakra amounts as COFRS without being phased by it. A PS Chidori on a weaker level (due to the lack of Rikudo chakra) is definitely a possibility.

 

[Kagustuchi]

By your line of thinking I can say BM Naruto is capable of making avatar Bunshin and use BDFRS, which isn't happening. Not to mention that Madara, a superior PS user, never channeled anything through his PS.

It's a matter of knead/release, "nothing leads me to believe he can't" doesn't cut it when no jutsu has ever been channeled through PS without Rikudo chakra.

He also canonically capped out at getting into a fist fight with Naruto's avatar. PS Chidori was the only thing that let him keep going to match a standard BD, which neither of them can use here.

 

[Unorthodox]

By your line of thinking I can say BM Naruto is capable of making avatar Bunshin and use BDFRS, which isn't happening. Not to mention that Madara, a superior PS user, never channeled anything through his PS.

It's a matter of knead/release, "nothing leads me to believe he can't" doesn't cut it when no jutsu has ever been channeled through PS without Rikudo chakra.

He also canonically capped out at getting into a fist fight with Naruto's avatar. PS Chidori was the only thing that let him keep going to match a standard BD, which neither of them can use here.

Naruto cannot make multiple avatars because that would cause to much chakra hell he could only make 2 bm clones. BDFRS use gudo damas which bsm Naruto does not have. Madara susanoo is stronger nothing else he's never channeled any ability through it where as Sasuke did.

Kakashi arguments are terrible. We never saw or knew what his susanoo/ps could do add that fact that when the eyes are together they can reach full power. Adding kamui into objects could have been a perk.

 

[Xlad]

Naruto wins this one through outlasting. BDs are restricted, which is really his only way of getting easier victory.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Naruto cannot make multiple avatars because that would cause to much chakra hell he could only make 2 bm clones. BDFRS use gudo damas which bsm Naruto does not have. Madara susanoo is stronger nothing else he's never channeled any ability through it where as Sasuke did.

Kakashi arguments are terrible. We never saw or knew what his susanoo/ps could do add that fact that when the eyes are together they can reach full power. Adding kamui into objects could have been a perk.

His avatar used it without Gudo Dama and it wasn't never stated or implied that he could only make 2 BM Bunshin. Ludicrous notion when his 13 year old self made 1000 as his first feat.

Plus that doesnt disprove anything I said about Sasuke, I could easily say he doesnt have the stamina either.

He used Tengai Shinsei with the same level of Susano'O as Sasuke did with Enton. Yet again, never showed he could channel things through his PS, don't bring up other levels of Susano'O again, as the knead/release isn't the same.

 

[Unorthodox]

His avatar used it without Gudo Dama and it wasn't never stated or implied that he could only make 2 BM Bunshin. Ludicrous notion when his 13 year old self made 1000 as his first feat.

Plus that doesnt disprove anything I said about Sasuke, I could easily say he doesnt have the stamina either.

He used Tengai Shinsei with the same level of Susano'O as Sasuke did with Enton. Yet again, never showed he could channel things through his PS, don't bring up other levels of Susano'O again, as the knead/release isn't the same.

Ashura avatar did it something bsm Naruto also does not have.

Smh you really gone bring up 13 year old Naruto by your logic why can't km Naruto make 100 clones? Shit logic at its finest bm can only make 2 km can make 15 or w.e. But Sasuke has channels enton through susanoo multi times. Chakra would not be an issue also channeling does = combining abilities all together big difference. Him bringing down the meteor is a joke you cannot mold that around susanoo its like him using Shira tensei through it not the same thing not even close.

 

[Apêx1]

By your line of thinking I can say BM Naruto is capable of making avatar Bunshin and use BDFRS, which isn't happening. Not to mention that Madara, a superior PS user, never channeled anything through his PS.

It's a matter of knead/release, "nothing leads me to believe he can't" doesn't cut it when no jutsu has ever been channeled through PS without Rikudo chakra.

He also canonically capped out at getting into a fist fight with Naruto's avatar. PS Chidori was the only thing that let him keep going to match a standard BD, which neither of them can use here.

There is absolutely nothing preventing Naruto from splitting his avatar into half. Madara has already created 25 Susano clones, at 1/25th power. Naruto's BM clone would be 1/2 power or 1/3rd power, etc depending on how many clones he makes. BDFRS requires Gudo Dama, so it's definitely not happening. Nor does he have the chakra control. And I'm pretty sure Madara channeled his Katon through his Susano versus the Gokage and I know for a fact that he used his Susano to bring the meteor from the sky given the Susano used hand seals, probably as an amplified form of BT.

Enton is a jutsu and it channeled through his Susano forms. Hence his Susano possesses the ability to channel chakra, which is further established in VOTE2 when Sasuke uses Raiton with his Susano.

The last sentence is completely irrelevant. That's like saying Rikudo Naruto can't use chakra arms in BM fight because he didn't in his fight with Sasuke.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Naruto already made BDFRS without Guduodamas

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto already made BDFRS without Guduodamas

When was this?​

 

[Tarinth]

Sasuke wins, if only because BM didn't last that long. BM Naruto pressures Sasuke unless Sasuke
has PS, which by scaling will equal out the Kurama avatar. If Sasuke doesn't have it, Naruto
wins. If Sasuke does, he does.

BM connection only lasts like 8 minutes though, so even if Naruto improved it, it's still not gonna
be as long as Sasuke can hold us PS, and once BM is gone, KCM or any other mode won't be enough
to survive an onslaught from Sasuke.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Gives naruto the W.

 

[Lord Tywin]

When was this?​

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[BenjerminGaye]

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Good shit.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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Gives naruto the W.

No it wouldn't. PS Chidori tied with a Bijuudama. Bijuudama>Rasengan which means Ps chidori would shit on a BM Rasengan.​

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Yes but can this be done without RSM?​

 

[Lord Tywin]

No it wouldn't. PS Chidori tied with a Bijuudama. Bijuudama>Rasengan which means Ps chidori would shit on a BM Rasengan.​

Yes but can this be done without RSM?​

BD is restricted, but I don't see why he wouldn't be able to.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No it wouldn't. PS Chidori tied with a Bijuudama. Bijuudama>Rasengan which means Ps chidori would shit on a BM Rasengan.​

Yes but can this be done without RSM?​

Lol no. PS chidori tied with a small bijudama less than BM's mouth.

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That rasengan is bigger than his head, and he can still make it bigger, let alone add wind to it. It gives him the W

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol no. PS chidori tied with a small bijudama less than BM's mouth.

That rasengan is bigger than his head, and he can still make it bigger, let alone add wind to it. It gives him the W

Use a damn spoiler. Don't matter if it's the size of Kurama's mouth it's still mountain level.
Mouth sized Bijuudama's still a mountain level[

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Rasengan only gave TSB's small cracks[

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A small bijuudama completely destroyed a TSB[

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Let's not forget that was the combined forces of Minato and Naruto.

L0l does it matter if the Rasengan was bigger than Kurama's head when a Bijuudama is tiers above a Rasengan in the first place.​

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Use a damn spoiler. Don't matter if it's the size of Kurama's mouth it's still mountain level.
Mouth sized Bijuudama's still a mountain level[

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Rasengan only gave TSB's small cracks[

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A small bijuudama completely destroyed a TSB[

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Let's not forget that was the combined forces of Minato and Naruto.

L0l does it matter if the Rasengan was bigger than Kurama's head when a Bijuudama is tiers above a Rasengan in the first place.​

Doesn't matter since that size rasengan would be well above mountain level.

Bijuudama amd susanoo arrow. Not just bijuudama so that comparison can't be applied.

All naruto did was add sm.

No it isn't bijuu dama and rasengan follow the same principles. A rasengan or frs that big is well above mountain buster, since frs on its own (standard one at that) is hill to small mountain buster itself, and Cho odama is hyped to hollow out mountains. Scaled up its superior.