[VS] BM Minato vs Prime Hiruzen
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Prime Hiruzen is Edo Hiruzen.
- Notice how Edo Hiruzen had the capacity to use all 5 elements with 5 shadow clones simultaneously, which he couldn't do alive
- Also notice that he arrived on the battlefield the same time as Tobirama and Hashriama, meaning his foot speed is on their level.
- And also how he made giant shadow shurikens, while alive he could only make small shadow clone shurikens.
- Notice how Edo Hiruzen had the capacity to use all 5 elements with 5 shadow clones simultaneously, which he couldn't do alive
- Also notice that he arrived on the battlefield the same time as Tobirama and Hashriama, meaning his foot speed is on their level.
- And also how he made giant shadow shurikens, while alive he could only make small shadow clone shurikens.
That is incorrect. Canonically speaking each and every single of the Hokage were weaker than their alive state because Orochimaru's edo's weren't at full power. Meaning Edo Hiruzen was weaker than Old Hiruzen who defeated Oeochimaru back in part 1.
Prime Hiruzen was supposed to be stronger than SM Hashirama [the one who defeated VOTE Madara by using Shinsusenjuu]
According to Cannon Hiruzen should be able to take this in his prime, though we have no Idea what his full arsenal consist of.
^^^ This guy gets it.
Edo Hiruzen was still weaker than Prime Hiruzen because he lacked his full chakra reserves he had in his youth and his strength and speed were lower because he was older.
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Edo Hiruzen is not weaker than old Hirzuen. Old Hiruzen couldn't even fight with clones against Orichimaru, as that anbu even said. Only when he was prepared to sacrifice himself is when he decided to go all or nothing.
His age doesn't affect his Edo body, his speed and stamina are no longer affected. His Edo feats alone compared to his alive feats make that pretty clear. All the jutsu he used when he fought Orichimaru, he used on a bigger scale as an Edo. Tobirama who was the fastest ninja of his time, arrived same time as Hiruzen to the battlefield.
His strength as well didn't seem to be affected either. When facing oro, Hiruzen noted that Enma felt heavier than before. However as an Edo he was easily wielding it and breaking the god tree with little effort. Edo Hiruzen is as close to prime Hiruzen as we're gonna get.
And I don't believe "prime Hiruzen" was ever stronger than Hashirama. The hype of Kabuto and Madara pretty much prove that.
It's no different to how Edo itachi > alive itachi. Alive itachi cannot use the MS to the same extent as the Edo version. Same as Edo Hiruzen, all the drawbacks which once hindered him are gone.
His age doesn't affect his Edo body, his speed and stamina are no longer affected. His Edo feats alone compared to his alive feats make that pretty clear. All the jutsu he used when he fought Orichimaru, he used on a bigger scale as an Edo. Tobirama who was the fastest ninja of his time, arrived same time as Hiruzen to the battlefield.
His strength as well didn't seem to be affected either. When facing oro, Hiruzen noted that Enma felt heavier than before. However as an Edo he was easily wielding it and breaking the god tree with little effort. Edo Hiruzen is as close to prime Hiruzen as we're gonna get.
And I don't believe "prime Hiruzen" was ever stronger than Hashirama. The hype of Kabuto and Madara pretty much prove that.
It's no different to how Edo itachi > alive itachi. Alive itachi cannot use the MS to the same extent as the Edo version. Same as Edo Hiruzen, all the drawbacks which once hindered him are gone.
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