[Spoilers] Bleach 349

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:D damn exactly what i expected, ichigo turning into an hollow is great now the real fight starts all thanks to Orihime she's a very good Cheerleaders ;) to bad she sucks in the battle field :eek: im mean the girl his terrible she cant event use atacks :mad: so so patatic :eek: i think ichigo's going to control is power this time, his been in hollofication form once so maybe this time things will be different plus in chapter 349, it clearly says (IF YOU TRULY WANT TO MASTER MY POWER,UNTIL I APPEAR AGAIN,AT LEAST STAY ALIVE) this his it my negaz lol chapter 350 -351 352 353 even 354 is battle chapters free for all:D Orihime's going to heal ichida's arm n at the end ichigo will win and leave hueco mundo with a new power
 
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Uhm.....no he isn't actually. He's just meant to look uber powerful when most of the captains could beat him in a heart beat. Remember, just because he's a vizard doesn't mean he's all powerful. Unohana is one of the most powerful captains in Seireitei, dwarfed only by Shunsui, Ukitake and Yamamoto. Though it has been implied by Kubo that she is just as powerful as either Ukitake or Shunsui. In otherwords, she could pwn Ulqui in a much more timely fashion than Ichigo.

She is far more powerful that Ichigo, in fact, several captains are. Soi Fon was only beaten by Yoruichi and we know that Ichigo can't beat Yoruichi due to the simple fact that she is simply too fast. To list off a few shinigami more powerful than Ichigo here we go.....

Shunsui
Ukitake
Unohana
Soi Fon
Yoruichi
Kenpachi Zaraki (Kenpachi pwned Nniotra when Ichigo couldn't, we know this is true)
Kisuke Urahara (potentially due mainly to his greater intelligence and ability to forsee the enemy's movements)


Well that's just the basic list, not even including the other Vaizards. Remember folks, just because Ichigo is the main character doesn't make him the most powerful guy in the series.
That's not fair, Ichigo was already wounded and worn out when he fought Nniotra.

Otherwise, I agree with your post, especially about Unohana.
 

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+100

U forgot to add aizen, gin, yamamoto
XD Yeah they don't really count as Shinigami. They're gods

That's not fair, Ichigo was already wounded and worn out when he fought Nniotra.

Otherwise, I agree with your post, especially about Unohana.
And tired or not Ichigo was full on hollow mode and bankai and still couldn't pwn Nniotra when allowed to flat out hit him. Sorry but it is fair. And we know that Kenpachi is more powerful when he fights. After all, Kenpachi has played with every opponent he has had, never going full out. When Kenpachi killed Nniotra he got serious for less than a split second and killed Nniotra in a single hit. That means, Kenpachi could likely walk up to most people and bitch slap them with Kempo if he felt like just killing.
 
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XD Yeah they don't really count as Shinigami.



And tired or not Ichigo was full on hollow mode and bankai and still couldn't pwn Nniotra when allowed to flat out hit him. Sorry but it is fair.

You're too biased. Ichigo jut finished a fight with grimmjow and was hella injured, his mask was almost broken and his spiritual energy was on very low level. even yammi cud pwn him in that condition. Doesnt meanyami iss tronger.
 

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Its not a matter of being biased or not really. Tired or not Ichigo wasn't even able to scratch Nniotra with the last amount of his strength which would have been probably on par with his typical attacks. Meaning that he wouldn't have been able to fight Nniotra either way.

I will admit though that since he was tired there's the possibility he could have done SOME damage. But the simple fact is that Ichigo had a tough time with Grimmjow. yet Kenpachi was able to literally walk in and never stop toying with Nniotra even when Nniotra went resurreccion. Ichigo would not have been able to fight at that level
 
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well then... ichigo could not pawn nnoitras subordinate either... does that make him stronger?
NO he was tired and shit. so unless we see a real fair fight going. we dont know who is stronger.

And dont forget. the kenpachi & Nnoitra fight was a fight between brute strength and tough skin.

Just like the first match Ishida and Sado had in hueco mundo, they had to change enemys.

Itchigo is a Fast guy with a average strong attacks with a cool cero like attack.

Kenpachi is a really strong guy with high spirit protecting his skin ( i dont think his speed is anything to talk about)

Hitsugaya... lol.... he only became captain because he knows Bankai and some Kidou spells.

and the list can go on.. as long as you put a good setup against the enemy, you win
 

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well then... ichigo could not pawn nnoitras subordinate either... does that make him stronger?
NO he was tired and shit. so unless we see a real fair fight going. we dont know who is stronger.

And dont forget. the kenpachi & Nnoitra fight was a fight between brute strength and tough skin.

Just like the first match Ishida and Sado had in hueco mundo, they had to change enemys.

Itchigo is a Fast guy with a average strong attacks with a cool cero like attack.

Kenpachi is a really strong guy with high spirit protecting his skin ( i dont think his speed is anything to talk about)

Hitsugaya... lol.... he only became captain because he knows Bankai and some Kidou spells.

and the list can go on.. as long as you put a good setup against the enemy, you win
You can not associate what I said with the instance of Tesla. Like I said, we wouldn't know ENTIRELY. However the outcome would have been the same, you're sounding like another ichigo fan who doesn't notice the entirety of the facts. Nniotra and Kenpachi are both extremely fast fighters of a higher caliber in power and speed than Ichigo. The only reason Ichigo has gotten as far as he has is because of his inner hollow and that for some reason Kubo thinks that his hollow allows him to defy the reality of the worlds around them.

And no, the Kenpachi & Nniotra fight was not one of brute strength and tough skin. Although the action sequences focused on that the extreme speed and skill was there. Anyway, I don't think that this was supposed to be turned into a debate thread. If you want that kind of argument then create a thread/topic for it and I'll gladly prove you wrong there.

The point is, Ichigo isn't all powerful, there are more than a few shinigami alone who are more powerful than he, not even counting the arrancar here.
 

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OMG!!! YOU ALL SUCK! I signed up to this site just to say KENPACHI IS NOT STRONGER THAN ICHI!!!!!! Ichigo had not had a break or ANY HEALING from the fight with Grimjow! Ichigo was already weak!!!! Seiously people. Think logically for one sec! Ichigo was already wounded and he couldnt bring out his mask again for a while because he used it too much. Obviously he would get pwnd. Kenpachi beat him barely even with full health/energy!!!! @_@
 

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OMG!!! YOU ALL SUCK! I signed up to this site just to say KENPACHI IS NOT STRONGER THAN ICHI!!!!!! Ichigo had not had a break or ANY HEALING from the fight with Grimjow! Ichigo was already weak!!!! Seiously people. Think logically for one sec! Ichigo was already wounded and he couldnt bring out his mask again for a while because he used it too much. Obviously he would get pwnd. Kenpachi beat him barely even with full health/energy!!!! @_@
watch your tongue.
everyone posts here what he/she thinks, if you disagree post your arguments and don't flame people to prove your point.

yet, I agree with you. Ichigo is stronger than Kenpanchi.
 

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OMG!!! YOU ALL SUCK! I signed up to this site just to say KENPACHI IS NOT STRONGER THAN ICHI!!!!!! Ichigo had not had a break or ANY HEALING from the fight with Grimjow! Ichigo was already weak!!!! Seiously people. Think logically for one sec! Ichigo was already wounded and he couldnt bring out his mask again for a while because he used it too much. Obviously he would get pwnd. Kenpachi beat him barely even with full health/energy!!!! @_@
Ichigo actually isn't stronger. Everybody is failing to see that every fight Kenpachi has is sheerly for his enjoyment. Meaning that he's going to fight at a level that allows him to enjoy a fight, thats why he wears his eyepatch along with the bells which suck up a decent chunk of his reiatsu. And then there is his fighting style which isn't even a style half the time. Kenpachi is a brawler who uses rudimentary basic techniques when fighting just so he can enjoy himself.

As we've seen, Kenpachi is essentially the power-player of the Bleach universe. He was toying with Nniotra the whole time, even allowing himself to be injured so as to draw the fight out and enjoy himself even more. Nniotra is not a character to be brushed off in any manner. Also we know he is the 5th Espada, meaning he's more powerful than Grimmjow. And unless everybody forgot, Ichigo had one hell of a time fighting Grimmjow. What makes you think he could have beaten Nniotra?

Kenpachi has repeatedly shown throughout the series that he doesn't mind losing or fighting at lower levels just so he can enjoy himself. When Ichigo beat Kenpachi it was Kenpachi fighting at a lower level of strength and without utilizing Kempo which is basically the Zaraki equivalent to Bankai. So seeing as how Kenpachi was able to toy with Nniotra who is obviously stronger than Grimmjow and then in the end just used a single attack to kill him would make Kenpachi a great deal stronger than Ichigo if Kenpachi were to honestly not hold back and walk into a fight only wanting to end it in the blink of an eye. You need to pay attention to the facts as opposed to saying you do.

As for Kenpachi not having full energy/health yes he did. Obviously he did, he had gone the entire fight toying with Nniotra. Just note his behavior and actually pay attention to the fight and how it develops. Kenpachi was purposly fighting at lower levels so that he could enjoy himself. It wasn't until the end that he decided to take it up to his full power which then resulted in an instant death for nniotra. Once again, Kenpachi TOYED with Nniotra, an enemy far stronger than Grimmjow and not only won but was able to kill him with a single attack that could have ended the fight in the beginning. Kenpachi is a character who will only lose when he decides to limit himself for his own enjoyment. There, argument done, proven and said. There isn't any speculation, its all fact. Don't like it then oh well.

PS,

Don't flame, it won't get you anywhere fast.
 
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