[VS] Blackbeard vs Akainu

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wow you can fuucking read.....amazing

Thanks for entertaining us with your useless posts.:yeah:


That's not at all what we're saying. Akainu can also through pure resiliency and a high combat ability regardless. I for one think Akainu's power is greater. Teach's arrogance/recklessness is just the most likely way that he'll receive the major wounds that will come back to haunt him.

Akainu's power isn't grater than BB's in any sense. He's not shaking islands at his whim. Everything Akainu accomplished at MF doesn't even come closer to the level of destruction that one of full powered quake punches had done. [ ] I agree Akainu should be better at raw combat skills but all of it would be pretty much useless with BB as your opponent as he can render almost any attack thrown at him useless. He can even prevent Akainu from being able to use his ability. There isn't a single attack in Akainu's arsenal that BB can't counter.

BB is fully aware of Akainu's capabilities. It's because of that reason he tried to avoid a fight with him. So, I don't see why BB would be careless with Akainu as his opponent, he wasn't careless against Sengoku. And he started his fight with WB by commencing black hole implying that he was being careful. Sure, he got carried away but it happened only when he was confident that Whitebeard's couldn't move properly.

It may not hold much value; But you'll have to remember that BB has someone as capable as Akainu under his wing. It may not directly imply his superiority but it should be noted that he wouldn't casually allow a force such as Kuzan to join him if he isn't confident about dealing with him if necessary.


 
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Akainu's power isn't grater than BB's in any sense. He's not shaking islands at his whim.

I'm glad you brought this up again because I wanted to address something about this:

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You know who else had the ability to produce the effects of their fruit across many, many miles? Here's a pic of him doing it:

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Kuzan freezes miles upon miles of seawater for an entire week just by placing his hand inside, which is less effort than it takes Whitebeard and Teach to tilt the air.(As shown here, you have to put in effort to do so[ ]. And yet, despite Kuzan achieving more destruction with his scale than Teach and Whitebeard do with theirs(note that the Quake that tilts the islands and ocean aren't very destructive, not injuring anyone caught inside and only damaging buildings by shifting their location out of place), Akainu was able to defeat Kuzan. This is proof that just because Teach has bigger range doesn't mean Akainu isn't gonna win or gives him much of an advantage. Otherwise, Kuzan would have won.

Everything Akainu accomplished at MF doesn't even come closer to the level of destruction that one of full powered quake punches had done. [ ]
This attack easily reaches he same range.

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He also reaches the same level by destroying the massive iceberg shown here, which dwarves giants and buildings alike.
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I agree Akainu should be better at raw combat skills but all of it would be pretty much useless with BB as your opponent as he can render almost any attack thrown at him useless. He can even prevent Akainu from being able to use his ability. There isn't a single attack in Akainu's arsenal that BB can't counter.
Is that a fact? You mean like how Teach just rendered all of Ace's attacks useless, prevented Ace from using his powers for the entire fight? Or the way Akainu never got around the Gura Gura no Mi and was always helpless when confronted by it? Powerscaling indicates that Akainu can get around the Yami Yami no Mi, same as Ace and Whitebeard, and feats have shown that Akainu can match the power of the Gura Gura no Mi and get past that as well.

When Teach disabled WB's abilities, he was met with the force of WB's bisento and was unable to stop it. Meanwhile, Akainu stopped WB's Quake infused Bisento with one leg. Now let's look at the scorebard:
1. Ace can get past Teach's Yami pull and DF negation to regain his powers and injure Teach with them

2. Akainu can stop WB's two-armed swing of a Bisento with a Quake infused into it

3. Teach was helpless to WB's one-armed Bisento swing after WB had his powers negated and being critically injured by Admirals.

4. Akainu took the strongest destructive Quake ever seen in the manga, and from WB, and wasn't defeated or rendered unable to fight as he normally does by it

What part of that suggest Teach has an edge and advantage over Akainu with the use of his DFs?

BB is fully aware of Akainu's capabilities. It's because of that reason he tried to avoid a fight with him. So, I don't see why BB would be careless with Akainu as his opponent, he wasn't careless against Sengoku.
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And he started his fight with WB by commencing black hole implying that he was being careful. Sure, he got carried away but it happened only when he was confident that Whitebeard's couldn't move properly.
Oh yeah this'll never happen against Akainu.
It may not hold much value; But you'll have to remember that BB has someone as capable as Akainu under his wing.
Who? Kuzan? We have no idea what his relationship with Kuzan is like, so saying Kuzan is under his wing is irrelevant speculation.
 

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Bb wins and I'm glad most of NB is sane nowadays. It's just tha akainu fanboys now in denial starting with riker and the other one who thinks akainu is better than a prime WB. Bb rn should have supreme mastery of YY and that itself negates so much of akainus arsenal and add Gg he puts akainu out at high diff. He apparently dominated Marco and co which no admiral can boast about considering the resilience of Marco but hype is going his way also. The only ones more hyped than him and alive is kaido and dragon(maybe). Akainu is the level of a weakened WB which is great but BB and kaido should be above that without a doubt.

Yes cause Sengoku would just randomly yell and tell his opponents what one of allies can do.....sounds great...
Oh yea u would think pirates would hype him up on the likes of garp who was seen as the ultimate marine in his day and the hype was still given.The Shanks and WB meeting was given hype as two absolute equals and there was constant praise, kaido entering and being called the strongest creature ever was insane hype that only the likes of WB got. Nowhere in this manga is akainu put on pedestal like kaido, prime WB, prime garp etc. you see what his point is and his results don't speak volumes either. He couldn't outright kill a very weakened WB who was old. My ass he is as hyped as WB. Oda makes his hype easily seen and the ones who got it the most now are kaido, BB when he destroys the new WB pirates, and prime roger, garp and WB.
 
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Yes cause Sengoku would just randomly yell and tell his opponents what one of allies can do.....sounds great...
I never said that..

One panel of him thinking those thoughts to himself would suffice..

As arv993 stated, why didn't any pirate do the same as Sengoku then? If Sengoku speaks greatly on his opponent/enemy WB at the time, why wouldn't Oda put one tiny panel in there with a pirate doing the same thing for Akainu? Why didn't Oda do it? Why didn't Oda hype Akainu up in anyway similar to how he hyped up WB, Kaido, BB, Garp, Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, etc.. etc..?

Answer me that.



Don't be mad at me that Blackbeard > Akainu.. I don't write the manga dude.
 
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I never said that..

One panel of him thinking those thoughts to himself would suffice..

As arv993 stated, why didn't any pirate do the same as Sengoku then? If Sengoku speaks greatly on his opponent/enemy WB at the time, why wouldn't Oda put one tiny panel in there with a pirate doing the same thing for Akainu? Why didn't Oda do it? Why didn't Oda hype Akainu up in anyway similar to how he hyped up WB, Kaido, BB, Garp, Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, etc.. etc..?

Answer me that.



Don't be mad at me that Blackbeard > Akainu.. I don't write the manga dude.
Oda did do that. When Akainu destroyed the meteor, the pirates said it was like the world was ending.

Also, what the **** does hype around a DF matter when we have actual feats of Akainu matching its destructive capacity, blocking its attacks efficiently, and defeating someone whose range, by FEATS, matched the range of the fruit?

You're talking as though Gura outclasses Akainu because of a statement of hype while actual FEATS shows that it doesn't. It says a lot about your side of the debate when you ignore FEATS and desperately cling to this hype.

And why would Sengoku think that to himself? He's never been shown thinking that about Roger and Garp either, I guess WB>>>>them neg difficultly lulz #Hype>Featz
 

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Why didn't Oda hype Akainu up in anyway similar to how he hyped up WB, Kaido, BB, Garp, Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, etc.. etc..?

Answer me that.



Don't be mad at me that Blackbeard > Akainu.. I don't write the manga dude.
BB literally ran away from Akainu.

The same dude who was laughing while fighting off Garp and Sengoku together did not want any part of Akainu.

The only other guy who generated the same result was Shanks, in both situations BB said the same thing "We're not ready for you yet", except even Shanks had his crew, Akainu was alone with BB's crew intact.

There is your hype.
 

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DF abilities are not everything. It also depends on the other skills and experience. He doesn't only seem to have quite a strong Haki but also - judging by Punk Hazard - has Awakening. A mere shockwave won't do much to Akainu, who can shield himself with Magma and Haki (shown when the Admirals redirected Whitebeards shockwave with Haki) and BB has yet to land a successful hit on Akainu, who can, upon being attracted by the Yami Yami no Mi, attack with a huge Magma fist like Ace attacked with fire arrows, or turn the surroundings into Magma with a hypothetical Awakening.
 

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Oda did do that. When Akainu destroyed the meteor, the pirates said it was like the world was ending.
That's not the same thing bro..

Also, what the **** does hype around a DF matter when we have actual feats of Akainu matching its destructive capacity, blocking its attacks efficiently, and defeating someone whose range, by FEATS, matched the range of the fruit?

You're talking as though Gura outclasses Akainu because of a statement of hype while actual FEATS shows that it doesn't. It says a lot about your side of the debate when you ignore FEATS and desperately cling to this hype.

And why would Sengoku think that to himself? He's never been shown thinking that about Roger and Garp either, I guess WB>>>>them neg difficultly lulz #Hype>Featz
You act as though BB and Akainu will only fight with fists and physical combat.. lel.. I understand and agree with you that if Akainu and BB just fought like two normal people, then yes, Akainu would most likely have much better abilities in pure physical combat.

I keep going on about the DFs though, because realistically that is how Akainu and BB will fight.

I'm not ONLY basing the outcome off hype alone though.. I literally stated straight feats/manga facts in my first post of this thread on page 1.. based on portrayal from Oda BB is superior to Akainu.

Everyone also likes to conveniently ignore hype when it doesn't fit there opinion.. but love to use hype when it does.. when it comes to Kaido or Roger or even Mihawk, "HYPE" is pretty valid to use.. BB is included in this list at this point in the manga I'm sorry..

Who else has TWO DFs?!?! When supposedly it is impossible to have two... not to mention the two DFs are 1. The Gura Gura no Mi which is capable of destroying the world and formerly belonged to the strongest man in the world. 2. The Yami Yami no Mi which can literally cancel out a DF users ability like sea stone.

The hype AND feats are there.. you just choose not to see them because you favor Akainu..

But Akainu's hype AND feats are no where near BB.. and any title he's had so far has been shared with either Sengoku, 1.. or FOUR other people.. Akainu is nothing special in the OP world.. I'm sorry..


PLUS you YOURSELF, Riker, have mentioned before that WB would not be the strongest man if not for his DF.. so what do you think BB is capable of being with that same DF, AND another one that cancels DF users abilities?

Lol

BB literally ran away from Akainu.

The same dude who was laughing while fighting off Garp and Sengoku together did not want any part of Akainu.

The only other guy who generated the same result was Shanks, in both situations BB said the same thing "We're not ready for you yet", except even Shanks had his crew, Akainu was alone with BB's crew intact.

There is your hype.
Mihawk ran away from MF when Shanks arrived.. because Shanks arrived and he didn't want to fight him.. yet Mihawk holds the title for world's strongest swordsman.. but based on your logic you're saying that Shanks > Mihawk ?

See your flaw in logic there?

That's not "hype" at all..

If anything that exact example is showing how much more intelligent BB is becoming since the time skip.. not being foolish and making smart decisions based on furthering his goals..

Funny thing is, that at MF Akainu and two other fighters that held his same ranking, and Sengoku a higher rank, and Garp, plus countless fodder marine, were all there and BB was fired up and ready to take them all on and keep fighting.. Shanks is the only reason he stopped and left.. yet Shanks is the same man He Himself left a scar on and Shanks said he wasn't being careless or anything..

It seems like BB is just making sure he sticks to his plans so he can achieve his goals.. He didn't run away from Akainu out of fear my friend.. it was just a smart choice to make to avoid any injuries/casualties/losses/waste of time..
 
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That's not the same thing bro..



You act as though BB and Akainu will only fight with fists and physical combat.. lel.. I understand and agree with you that if Akainu and BB just fought like two normal people, then yes, Akainu would most likely have much better abilities in pure physical combat.

I keep going on about the DFs though, because realistically that is how Akainu and BB will fight.

I'm not ONLY basing the outcome off hype alone though.. I literally stated straight feats/manga facts in my first post of this thread on page 1.. based on portrayal from Oda BB is superior to Akainu.

Everyone also likes to conveniently ignore hype when it doesn't fit there opinion.. but love to use hype when it does.. when it comes to Kaido or Roger or even Mihawk, "HYPE" is pretty valid to use.. BB is included in this list at this point in the manga I'm sorry..

Who else has TWO DFs?!?! When supposedly it is impossible to have two... not to mention the two DFs are 1. The Gura Gura no Mi which is capable of destroying the world and formerly belonged to the strongest man in the world. 2. The Yami Yami no Mi which can literally cancel out a DF users ability like sea stone.

The hype AND feats are there.. you just choose not to see them because you favor Akainu..

But Akainu's hype AND feats are no where near BB.. and any title he's had so far has been shared with either Sengoku, 1.. or FOUR other people.. Akainu is nothing special in the OP world.. I'm sorry..


PLUS you YOURSELF, Riker, have mentioned before that WB would not be the strongest man if not for his DF.. so what do you think BB is capable of being with that same DF, AND another one that cancels DF users abilities?

Lol



Mihawk ran away from MF when Shanks arrived.. because Shanks arrived and he didn't want to fight him.. yet Mihawk holds the title for world's strongest swordsman.. but based on your logic you're saying that Shanks > Mihawk ?

See your flaw in logic there?

That's not "hype" at all..

If anything that exact example is showing how much more intelligent BB is becoming since the time skip.. not being foolish and making smart decisions based on furthering his goals..

Funny thing is, that at MF Akainu and two other fighters that held his same ranking, and Sengoku a higher rank, and Garp, plus countless fodder marine, were all there and BB was fired up and ready to take them all on and keep fighting.. Shanks is the only reason he stopped and left.. yet Shanks is the same man He Himself left a scar on and Shanks said he wasn't being careless or anything..

It seems like BB is just making sure he sticks to his plans so he can achieve his goals.. He didn't run away from Akainu out of fear my friend.. it was just a smart choice to make to avoid any injuries/casualties/losses/waste of time..
BB was not on Akainu's mind during the MF war because Akainu was hell bent on killing Luffy and had no interest in BB.
 

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Useless like stating what everyone else is saying right.....useless



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Once again thanks for entertaining us with useless stuff.

Btw, I have no idea what you're trying to say in this post.



I'm glad you brought this up again because I wanted to address something about this:

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You know who else had the ability to produce the effects of their fruit across many, many miles? Here's a pic of him doing it:

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Kuzan freezes miles upon miles of seawater for an entire week just by placing his hand inside, which is less effort than it takes Whitebeard and Teach to tilt the air.(As shown here, you have to put in effort to do so[ ]. And yet, despite Kuzan achieving more destruction with his scale than Teach and Whitebeard do with theirs(note that the Quake that tilts the islands and ocean aren't very destructive, not injuring anyone caught inside and only damaging buildings by shifting their location out of place), Akainu was able to defeat Kuzan. This is proof that just because Teach has bigger range doesn't mean Akainu isn't gonna win or gives him much of an advantage. Otherwise, Kuzan would have won.


This attack easily reaches he same range.

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He also reaches the same level by destroying the massive iceberg shown here, which dwarves giants and buildings alike.
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Is that a fact? You mean like how Teach just rendered all of Ace's attacks useless, prevented Ace from using his powers for the entire fight? Or the way Akainu never got around the Gura Gura no Mi and was always helpless when confronted by it? Powerscaling indicates that Akainu can get around the Yami Yami no Mi, same as Ace and Whitebeard, and feats have shown that Akainu can match the power of the Gura Gura no Mi and get past that as well.

When Teach disabled WB's abilities, he was met with the force of WB's bisento and was unable to stop it. Meanwhile, Akainu stopped WB's Quake infused Bisento with one leg. Now let's look at the scorebard:
1. Ace can get past Teach's Yami pull and DF negation to regain his powers and injure Teach with them

2. Akainu can stop WB's two-armed swing of a Bisento with a Quake infused into it

3. Teach was helpless to WB's one-armed Bisento swing after WB had his powers negated and being critically injured by Admirals.

4. Akainu took the strongest destructive Quake ever seen in the manga, and from WB, and wasn't defeated or rendered unable to fight as he normally does by it

What part of that suggest Teach has an edge and advantage over Akainu with the use of his DFs?


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Oh yeah this'll never happen against Akainu.


Who? Kuzan? We have no idea what his relationship with Kuzan is like, so saying Kuzan is under his wing is irrelevant speculation.

Kuzan freezing ocean and Teach shaking islands aren't even remotely same thing. I am not even use how you can compare the two. Only thing they have in common is that they both are large scale attacks. GGnM attack carries a lot more DC than Kuzan's attack. I wasn't talking about range alone, I am not stupid enough to believe bigger AOE means stronger attacks. WB's attack didn't simply destroy buildings, it severely injured Akainu and the byproduct of the attack ended up destroying MF building as well as the ground in it's path. Kuzan ain't pulling that feat with his ocean freezing attack. Those attacks of Akainu don't even come closer to the level of destruction caused by this one attack.


Although it's irrelevant here, didn't Kuzan fail to freeze ocean before Law and co could get away? I guess it's safe to say ICE AGE that he used back then wasn't as deep as the one he used at the end of summit war.


Regarding iceburg; Now,that's pure overrating of Akainu's feats. That shit isn't even as big as Wadatsumi. "Lmao, I can't stop laughing"

It's a fact that BB can counter about anything Akainu has to offer, I am not sitting here and trying to say that BB will win this without receiving a dent on his body. He isn't avoiding or countering all of his attacks for sure. BB is simply equipped with far better tools than Akainu in this fight. Teach doesn't lack in skill. Only reason why BB was wounded in his battles so far was because of his arrogance. Even WB himself noted it. You talk as if BB actually made an attempt to block WB and failed. The attacks was simply unexpected for BB, hence he failed to block it. Power scaling doesn't suggest Akainu can get around the combo of GGnM and YYnM. Just dealing with one of those is a headache let alone both. Akainu never matched a high end move from GGnM. All he accomplished while fighting WB is to match a level attacks that WB used on fodder marines. They seemingly didn't even cause quakes at a noticeable range.

Akainu isn't equipped with weapons to surprise BB by pulling an attack out of nowhere. He mostly relies on his punches which'll get countered by BB akin to how he blocked WB. Black hole would slow him down. His ability gets taken away with one touch. He can disturb his balance via quake attacks and cause severe injuries. He can accomplish all of this just by being a bit more careful than what he usually does. With all these drawbacks Akainu can still win when all he could do in reality is to be an even match for a Yonko who lost most of his strength.:yeah: Why can't he suck him into black hole again?


@Sengoku panel; Sengoku attacked him out of nowhere, that too when BB was out of his mind. So, it isn't changing anything.

What do you mean by this'll never happen? Are you trying to say BB won't be careful with Akainu? Or that Akainu is magically immune to black hole?

Manga says he joined BB. Even if he isn't under BB, it still doesn't take away the possibility of betrayal from Kuzan. So, BB must be confident in taking out Kuzan before thinking about joining hands with him.


Lmao how do people saying Akainu wins = Akainu lovers?

I presume, this was directed at me. I never really called anyone a Akainu lover for thinking he'd win. It was simply a mistake on my part. The post was directed at "lojzini". I thought he said BB is overrated when he actually said BB is being underrated. :p
 
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Im blown away that you tried to compare Mihawk walking away from the war (because his deal did not include fighting his buddy) to the Akainu situation lmfao, that is definitely the reach of the year on this forum for me. How desperate are you?

You must hate Akainu with a passion to be that desperate, never seen anything like that from you anywhere else. To add to that your post just consisted of stating the obvious, and almost repeating what I said, I also never said BB was dumb lmao.

Here is what BB had to say infront of Shanks:
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Here is what he said when he ran from Akainu:
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You keep saying he is smart. Ok lol? That's the entire point, he picks who he thinks he can handle (is worth it) and who he doesn't think he can handle (isn't worth it) wisely.

We already saw he had no issues with "injuries/casualties/losses/waste of time" when he decided to go against Garp and Sengoku, but as soon as Shanks pulled up he said he wasn't ready and pretty much the exact words were said when Akainu pulled up on him later alone.

Look how cocky he was against them
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Literally mocking them in their faces with supreme confidence that they could not stop him, and yet he wasn't ready for either Akainu or Shanks.

Its not hard to understand who received superior portrayal in this situation.
 

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Oda did do that. When Akainu destroyed the meteor, the pirates said it was like the world was ending.

Also, what the **** does hype around a DF matter when we have actual feats of Akainu matching its destructive capacity, blocking its attacks efficiently, and defeating someone whose range, by FEATS, matched the range of the fruit?

You're talking as though Gura outclasses Akainu because of a statement of hype while actual FEATS shows that it doesn't. It says a lot about your side of the debate when you ignore FEATS and desperately cling to this hype.

And why would Sengoku think that to himself? He's never been shown thinking that about Roger and Garp either, I guess WB>>>>them neg difficultly lulz #Hype>Featz
BB literally ran away from Akainu.

The same dude who was laughing while fighting off Garp and Sengoku together did not want any part of Akainu.

The only other guy who generated the same result was Shanks, in both situations BB said the same thing "We're not ready for you yet", except even Shanks had his crew, Akainu was alone with BB's crew intact.

There is your hype.
lol riker that is not nearly the same hype as what the really big dogs get that is roger, kaido, garp, Wb etc get. hype is a very important tool to know who are truly the big dogs and BB is gtting that as we speak and his powers have only grown. And sengoku wouldnt think about Garp like that so bad comparison, garp is praised by the PK himself, and was treated as the ultimate marine by the pirates similar to the treatment WB gets but obviously both are not prime. Akainu is not close to that and it is clear, he can give high diff to a prime WB but nothing more.

um toshi thats not hype thats a character trait BB runs away, he does this all the time. he waits for the correct moment. What was he going to do risk a high diff fight for absolutely no reason. his crew was there he could have taken unless u think akainu> BB and his crewmates him but its not worth the time. Shanks also had his crew and BB just got a new fruit andgot his objectives so why does he need to stay. BB isnt roger or someone who takes on every challenge he thinks what he has to gain for him to go for it. So no that is very weak hype at best nothing on the level of Kaido and others I have mentioned.

and dude the last example u used was weak, he was at the height of his arrogance at that moment he took out the world's strongest man and took his power, he thought he was invincible. Its not the same situation at all, this was after timeskip and he ran and it shows he is smarter for one thing from b4 where he just randomly used his powers with no regard. Ur comparing two completely different mindsets. and again are u implying that akainu is stronger than his crew and BB come on now he is simply making a retreat nothing more nothing less.
 
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Lmao all of you keep crying about hype when Akainu was literally the MVP of the War of the best. He had the most feats and focus in such a pivotal war with multiple top tiers.

In the single most important arc in One Piece regarding strength Akainu was at the absolute center of it, the one who easily stood out the most among legends and countless top tiers.
 

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Lmao all of you keep crying about hype when Akainu was literally the MVP of the War of the best. He had the most feats and focus in such a pivotal war with multiple top tiers.

In the single most important arc in One Piece regarding strength Akainu was at the absolute center of it, the one who easily stood out the most among legends and countless top tiers.
he stood as a guy with enough power to cause damage no doubt he is top 5 alive in the series no doubt. he stood out as a guy who had a dangerous philosophy and then became the FA so yea. but he did not stand out in the ways of kaido and other names mentioned in hype of pure strength.

and if you go that route BB stood out as the single biggest threat who had two Df's and is luffy's parallel and i can keep going on. BB was seen as end game for luffy and his recent hype goes on to keep proving that line of thought.
 

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he stood as a guy with enough power to cause damage no doubt he is top 5 alive in the series no doubt. he stood out as a guy who had a dangerous philosophy and then became the FA so yea. but he did not stand out in the ways of kaido and other names mentioned in hype of pure strength.

and if you go that route BB stood out as the single biggest threat who had two Df's and is luffy's parallel and i can keep going on. BB was seen as end game for luffy and his recent hype goes on to keep proving that line of thought.
So I dont see the problem here. Both BB and Akainu were isolated by Oda.

BB captures Ace - Akainu kills him

Zoro has a big ass scar going across his chest which he recieved from Mihawk.

Luffy has a similar one from Akainu.

This is why I don't get where the confidence comes from that it is guaranteed one beats the other, both have been placed as the top two antagonists, and Akainu certainly proved himself featwise to be at the pinnacle of One Piece, while BB was shown as growing and more of a future threat just like you said.
 

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Even at this age, Garp and Sengoku together would mop the floor with Akainu. The mere thought of someone who's capable of challenging Garp and Sengoku together would be scared to challenge Akainu, that too when he had a group of decently strong fighters on his side is just ridiculous and totally unintelligent. BB was simply being cocky and overconfident at MF because he gained that much power on a whim. Even if Akainu were to stand before him back then, he would've said the same shit. Whereas, it was his usual self, when he run away from Akainu. It's Shanks who received better hype of all, because he made a cocky BB know his place and stopped a blood lusty Akainu with words alone. BB didn't essentially said he's not ready for Akainu, In MS translation" BB said " I didn't want this to happen yet!" which is not quite same as him not being ready for Akainu. Even if he wasn't ready for Akainu back then, it doesn't mean he's still not ready for him. So, the argument holds no ground whatsoever
 

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Even at this age, Garp and Sengoku together would mop the floor with Akainu. The mere thought of someone who's capable of challenging Garp and Sengoku together would be scared to challenge Akainu, that too when he had a group of decently strong fighters on his side is just ridiculous and totally unintelligent. BB was simply being cocky and overconfident at MF because he gained that much power on a whim. Even if Akainu were to stand before him back then, he would've said the same shit. Whereas, it was his usual self, when he run away from Akainu. It's Shanks who received better hype of all, because he made a cocky BB know his place and stopped a blood lusty Akainu with words alone. BB didn't essentially said he's not ready for Akainu, In MS translation" BB said " I didn't want this to happen yet!" which is not quite same as him not being ready for Akainu. Even if he wasn't ready for Akainu back then, it doesn't mean he's still not ready for him. So, the argument holds no ground whatsoever
"Even ifs" are just opinions. Its like you saying it'll happen that way because you want it to.

Its about portrayal and there is no argument Shanks and Akainu's situations were similar.

Both situations was him leaving both times having to do with it not being the right time.

Also there was no argument to begin with. It was hype for Shanks and Akainu, with people trying to completely ignore it when it comes to Akainu and only bring it up regarding Shanks. So it had to be stated.
 

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The translation about Blackbeard saying he isn't ready for Akainu is wrong. Iirc the real translation was "i'm not looking to get involved in these kind of stuffs just yet". This doesn't show that Blackbeard was fearing Akainu because of his strength, no it's because he had other plans than fighting him right there, right now. For someone who didn't have a ship, with free territories around, he had better things to do than fighting Akainu there. The very simple fact that he could injure Sengoku in battle even with Garp as back-up shows that at the very least Blackbeard must have already been in his range 2years prior

It's in-character for Teach to avoid unnecessary battles just like how he decided to drop the battle against Cp0 eventhough i'm certain he could have won, but it was simply unnecessary at the time especially after already engaging the revolutionary army and if he already got what he came there doing for(the weapons)

2years prior Teach isn't current Teach. He had time to master both his devil fruits, maybe even awaken it. He is from the worst generation, and has a different body than others(that remains unexplained), currently even has Akainu's alter-ego working under him without fearing him one bit and instead comparing him to one of his crewmate(Shiryu) in terms of closeness. He defeated Marco's group who was mentioned to be a threat to him overwhelmingly a year ago, and now didn't hesitate to destroy Baltigo where Dragon and his group were present(who are the mortal enemies to the world government) when he saw benefits in the battle(the weapons), so is probably even stronger now a year later, to the point that old Chinjao think he is the one to have the greatest chance to become the pirate king

Pretty certain that if Akainu and current Teach clashed, Teach will win. He is already at the stage where he needs to be the closest one to the top at the verge of the climax of this manga. He is destinated to surpass Prime Whitebeard. If he isn't already stronger than Akainu at this stage, he should just give up his dream
 
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