[Discussion] Blackbeard is OVERRATED

[deva pein]

You know what else is a feat to deal with?
Before he even got the Devil Fruits he was on a Yonkos ship, most likely the strongest of the four Yonko.
He scarred f*cking Shanks! Shanks! The guy that ended a war. Even scarring a man like that is impressive regardless of your status or power.
He is the first person, as we know, to eat a Devil Fruit, who knows what potential he now has? If nobody else in the history of One Piece ha sever done that the man has a new form of power.

Thats my point. He has potential but he just goes for cheap powerups, without training his Haki or combat skills. And it doesn't take much to be on the ship of a yonkou, but I must admit that he could have become a commander.

 

[deva pein]

If he's on par with a Yonko, I dont see why you'd think he's overrated, that automatically makes him top 10. Although, I guess I've not seen many talking about where he stands, so if you've seen people saying he's top three then yeah I guess he is overrated. But not by much.

He's definitely deserving of his Yonko status imo.

I've seen people saying he was the strongest Yonkou, that he could beat Kizaru without breaking a sweat just like Mihawk. Both of them are bad matchups and Kizaru has the abilitu to beat him and Mihawk sure has a chance too.

 

[KcMSean]

I've seen people saying he was the strongest Yonkou, that he could beat Kizaru without breaking a sweat just like Mihawk. Both of them are bad matchups and Kizaru has the abilitu to beat him and Mihawk sure has a chance too.

Yeah all thats ridiculous lol, but you've gotta understand those people are the extreme. I dont think any rational one piece fans truly believe that stuff haha.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Thats my point. He has potential but he just goes for cheap powerups, without training his Haki or combat skills. And it doesn't take much to be on the ship of a yonkou, but I must admit that he could have become a commander.

It does, if you look at a Yonkos ship the top tiers are the main fighters.
And back in the Fishman Island flashback he was stood with Marco and Vista/Jozu, can't remember which one, with his claws, meaning that would have been around the time he gave Shanks his scar. Still way back then he was fighting Yonko...
And how is it a cheap power up? He is gaining power? If Devil Fruits are cheap power ups then every Devil Fruit user picks them.

 

[deva pein]

It does, if you look at a Yonkos ship the top tiers are the main fighters.
And back in the Fishman Island flashback he was stood with Marco and Vista/Jozu, can't remember which one, with his claws, meaning that would have been around the time he gave Shanks his scar. Still way back then he was fighting Yonko...
And how is it a cheap power up? He is gaining power? If Devil Fruits are cheap power ups then every Devil Fruit user picks them.

Yeah I recognize him as a main fighter from WB's crew, but he just couldn't take on Shanks on his own and scarring him while he has no injuries whatsoever.
And I don't find the eating off a DF cheap, but the whole fruit hunting is a cheap idea with the only purpose of quickly becoming stronger without any training.

 

[VongolaX]

You don't think the Admirals will get trapped in his gravity the same way Ace was?
If he tries to suck in Akainu he will get the WB treatment but than from a distance just before he touches BB.
If he tries to suck in Kizaru he will get an ultra fast kick in the face before BB can react.
Fujitora can probably block the sucking with his own grafity and slice the MOFO up.

No, you have to be a fodder to get sucked up in gravity.

I mean if Blackbeard punches/grab you with his hand covered in yami.

He can break something in a logia's body.

If he's physically strong enough to hurt old Whitebeard, Sengoku and shanks.

He's strong enough to hurt an admiral pretty bad

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Dude most people think he's at MAXIMUM on par with Borsalino (probably the weakest Admiral)

 

[deva pein]

No, you have to be a fodder to get sucked up in gravity.

I mean if Blackbeard punches/grab you with his hand covered in yami.

He can break something in a logia's body.

If he's physically strong enough to hurt old Whitebeard, Sengoku and shanks.

He's strong enough to hurt an admiral pretty bad

You thinks he is strong enough to break something in the body of an Admiral?
Take Akainu; there is no way he could break something in his body. WB didn't appear to do so with his direct quake induced punch which nearly destroyed Marineford. A few minutes later he was up and running again.
A BB with less experience than WB with the Gura Gura is not going to give a more damaging hit.

 

[deva pein]

Dude most people think he's at MAXIMUM on par with Borsalino (probably the weakest Admiral)

That is most likely wrong. Kizaru will troll his shit up with his speed and ranged attacks.
The only (former) admiral he has a chance against would be Aokiji and Sengoku. You can't freeze a quake man, and Sengoku is old and out of regulation for two years.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Yeah I recognize him as a main fighter from WB's crew, but he just couldn't take on Shanks on his own and scarring him while he has no injuries whatsoever.
And I don't find the eating off a DF cheap, but the whole fruit hunting is a cheap idea with the only purpose of quickly becoming stronger without any training.

Well tbh, I doubt it was even a fight.
It was most likely a little confrontation, or maybe he was holding Shanks off or something wile Newgate was busy with something else.
Regardless, he seemed to have been one of the strongest fighters Newgate had pre Devil Fruits, let alone after getting them.
And what are you on about no training? I mean, if he wants the precisions that Newgate had with the GGnM he will have to train with it, probably destroying a few islands in the process.

 

[deva pein]

Well tbh, I doubt it was even a fight.
It was most likely a little confrontation, or maybe he was holding Shanks off or something wile Newgate was busy with something else.
Regardless, he seemed to have been one of the strongest fighters Newgate had pre Devil Fruits, let alone after getting them.
And what are you on about no training? I mean, if he wants the precisions that Newgate had with the GGnM he will have to train with it, probably destroying a few islands in the process.

He was a little bit stronger than Ace when he obtained the Yami Yami fruit. Before that he was probably around 5th commander level, so a bit below Vista. It is said that BB hasn't used his GGnM while taking over WB's territory. Don't know when but I believe it was Jinbei who said it.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

He was a little bit stronger than Ace when he obtained the Yami Yami fruit. Before that he was probably around 5th commander level, so a bit below Vista. It is said that BB hasn't used his GGnM while taking over WB's territory. Don't know when but I believe it was Jinbei who said it.

Ye, that's actually a decent point...he struggled with Ace but got a hit on Shanks....xD

And really? I don't remember that? But like I said, he's not going to get more precise without practising with the fruit, and, in result of that he would have accidentally destroyed an sialnd or two in the process.
Him alone having that ability puts him extremely high imo.

 

[deva pein]

Ye, that's actually a decent point...he struggled with Ace but got a hit on Shanks....xD

And really? I don't remember that? But like I said, he's not going to get more precise without practising with the fruit, and, in result of that he would have accidentally destroyed an sialnd or two in the process.
Him alone having that ability puts him extremely high imo.

Here is Jinbei saying it, and I believe this holds some importance.

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Yeah it might be because he would wreck those islands but I'm more inclined to think he just hasn't trained enough with it and that he deems himself strong enough with the Yami Yami no mi. We all know he is a reckless and cocky bastard lol

 

[VongolaX]

Fixed it bro
Kaido>Shanks

Also shanks has the strongest haoshoku haki...not busoshoku and haoshoku is useless since it works in fodders only

Shanks busoshoku Haki made Akainu's magma punch look like burned candle wax

His busoshoku Haki was strong enough to split the skies.

I find it hard to believe that shank's Haki is second to anybody but the dark king (present day).

Kaidou was titled the strongest beast, just like Whitebeard was deemed the strongest man.

Each yonkou holds a title like the rest...

I wouldn't be suprised if shank's title is the strongest spirit.

If Kaidou really was stronger than shanks, he wouldn't of been intercepted by him in the first place.

So we really can't jump to conclusions just now.

Wait a while for Oda to explain, it's still too soon to be-rated yonkous now.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Here is Jinbei saying it, and I believe this holds some importance.

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Yeah it might be because he would wreck those islands but I'm more inclined to think he just hasn't trained enough with it and that he deems himself strong enough with the Yami Yami no mi. We all know he is a reckless and cocky bastard lol

Ohhh, I completely missed that. I stand corrected.

And I meant when it came to training for precision.
If anyone obtained the YYnM they could wreck islands imo, but they would most likely kill themselves in the process xD
When it comes to training he needs to lower the scale of his shock waves, not make them bigger.

 

[VongolaX]

You thinks he is strong enough to break something in the body of an Admiral?
Take Akainu; there is no way he could break something in his body. WB didn't appear to do so with his direct quake induced punch which nearly destroyed Marineford. A few minutes later he was up and running again.
A BB with less experience than WB with the Gura Gura is not going to give a more damaging hit.

Akainu out of the three admirals is very durable, but Whitebeard indeed broke something.

His imprint was on his rib, and he was coughing out blood.

He put his down for a while...

Seeing how akainu was able to break kuzan's leg, I won't find it hard to believe Blackbeard (who nearly crushed Ace's neck) will break something.

Remember on contact, you lose all devil fruit defense.

Haki always you to grasp matter, bb's fruit negates/strips away your devil fruit power.

 

[Black Mamba]

he is not overrated, he is stronger than all the admirals, he has 2 op df, he has haki cuz he was able to sense luffy haki at jaya, he almost broke aces neck with one hit he woulda instant killed him with guru guru, scarred a yonko

shanks>bb>kaido>bigmom

 

[Hexuze]

Kizaru is more overrated, thank god Aqeel96 isn't a Kizaru wanker. I even made a thread on how overrated Kizaru is:

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OT: I agree BB is pretty overrated. He's the weakest yonko IMO. There's no way that he's currently the strongest in a duration of 2 years (timeskip), during the TS he was just going DF hunting for his team and claiming territories. He never trained much. I believe someone by the username of Shon93 (something like that I forgot ) said that the final battle will be strongest haki (Luffy) vs. strongest DF's (BB). I totally agree with him but that's a bit off topic.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because a weakling that can be taken down by any decent Haki user or Admiral can be made a Yonko.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

BB is f*cking overrated. Everyone thinks he is stronger than the admirals and on par with the other Yonkou, but he is not. Akainu would wreck him, simple as that.
Sure, he has two of the most HAXed DF powers but that's it. He is slow, dumb and has weak Haki. He is not the person to train his powers. He can take some hits and he can pack a punch, but before he had his Gura Gura no mi he would have had serious trouble against someone like Vergo a Haki specialist. Pretty much every Haki fighter would own his ass.
Now with the Gura Gura no mi he is a lot stronger, he jumped an entire Tier lol, but his other fighting skills still are not good enough. Instead of training and perfecting his powers and skills he is hunting DF's for cheap power ups.
If he can use his Gura Gura good he is still a lower top tier, but he just can't roll with the other Yonko's and the Admirals yet.
That's why he is going to get another ultra HAX DF, and with that one he will surpass everyone.



tl;dr go read the entire text you piece of shyt what are you doing on a forum if you are to lazy to read ten lines of text. Baka Marimo.

lol at the Baka Marimo

OT: yes Blackbeard is overrated but shouldn't be underestimated too. He only believes in the DF so why train?Isn't he just like Kizaru?