Black-white sentence discrepancy question

[slimreaper]

So a major argument in the white privilege/ blacklivematter debate is that black males get 20% longer sentences than white males for similar crimes.

My question is... They say similar crimes, but don't say similar criminal history. Can anyone find me information about the testing that says the criminals had a similar history?

I've scoured these articles pertaining to this statistic and have yet to come across information about criminal history.

Until then I'm calling this statistic a myth.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

I know This is alittle off topic but to all the blacklivesmatter people who want equal sentencing I got an idea for ya. How bout u just don't do illegal stuff so u dont need to be sentenced?

 

[Awkward Linguist]

They're a bunch losers with no life - all they do is sit down contradict themselves and spew bullshit. Being the losers they are they are automatically irrelevant to me and thus I don't care for any controversial statistics they spew out. And by the looks of your recent threads you should do the same thing as well.​

 

[Kαmi]

Why would they take in such a stat and have varying criminal histories whenever the variable is already color of skin? That would be a counterproductive thing to do to begin with... I would already be under the belief that when comparing sentences, those staticians would already make sure that they have the same criminal history just because it would be unprofessional on a statician's part to have 2 variables when comparing color of skin affecting sentences

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

Personally I think if you are a criminal, whether you are black, white, male, female or a pink snufflelump with orange spots, you don't have the right to complain about your sentence. Its tough luck, they shouldn't have done what they did in the first place.

 

[slimreaper]

Why would they take in such a stat and have varying criminal histories whenever the variable is already color of skin? That would be a counterproductive thing to do to begin with... I would already be under the belief that when comparing sentences, those staticians would already make sure that they have the same criminal history just because it would be unprofessional on a statician's part to have 2 variables when comparing color of skin affecting sentences

Again I refer to the stat that women make 77c for every dollar a man makes.

That statistic has repeatedly been proven false because they intentionally didn't account for different variables. It's a major way stats are used incorrectly on purpose to sway public opinion (see op statistic)

 

[Kαmi]

Again I refer to the stat that women make 77c for every dollar a man makes.

That statistic has repeatedly been proven false because they intentionally didn't account for different variables. It's a major way stats are used incorrectly on purpose to sway public opinion (see op statistic)

So you are using one case of staticians purposely manipulating raw data to say that the stat in question cannot be true whenever there are many cases of staticians doing their numbers correctly?

Does that sound right to you? Cause that sounds off to me.

 

[slimreaper]

So you are using one case of staticians purposely manipulating raw data to say that the stat in question cannot be true whenever there are many cases of staticians doing their numbers correctly?

Does that sound right to you? Cause that sounds off to me.

It happens every day. When ever you see a poll say majority of americans support gay marriage, you never get asked. That's because they go to an area more likely to get support.

Statistics without calculating in the variables are useless.

So I say again, find me a reference to the testing including criminal history

 

[Multiply]

Well it's often quoted that women make 77 cents for the same work a man would make a dollar for. We know thats false.

You've presonally quoted the op statistic, so i'd expect you to know

According to the report, sentences for black males were 19.5 percent longer than those for similarly situated white males between December 2007 and September 2011, the most recent period covered in the report. The commission also found that black males were 25 percent less likely than whites to receive a sentence below the sentencing guidelines.
A separate analysis of the data that excluded sentences of probation showed the same pattern, although the racial disparity was less pronounced. Black men on average were given sentences 14.5 percent longer than whites.

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Perhaps this is what you wanted? The similarly situated part.

 

[slimreaper]

Perhaps this is what you wanted?

They never give the report though. They say similarly situated. They never give direct access to the report or come out and say similar criminal history

 

[Multiply]

They never give the report though. They say similarly situated. They never give direct access to the report or come out and say similar criminal history

What else could similarly situated mean bruh...?

 

[slimreaper]

I actually found the report and it heavily suggests that the difference is between the wealthy and everyone else. And because minorities make up more of the percentage of the poor they are over represented on the whole. Which makes it appear theres a disparity

But if you compare category for category (just as Thomas Sowell says when talking about female wage, that disparity disapears)

To download the report google sentencing disparity report

 

[Multiply]

I actually found the report and it heavily suggests that the difference is between the wealthy and everyone else. And because minorities make up more of the percentage of the poor they are over represented on the whole. Which makes it appear theres a disparity

But if you compare category for category (just as Thomas Sowell says when talking about female wage, that disparity disapears)

To download the report google sentencing disparity report

Alright bruh bruh...

 

[slimreaper]

Alright bruh bruh...

They even go into great detail explaining why blacks are more likely to have a longer criminal history.

So to them similarly situated must have meant around the same age, living in the same area, and having a similar income. It says nothing about similar criminal history

 

[CloyEscapade]

"There are lies, damned lies and statistics"

-Samuel Clemens

 

[Multiply]

What we've learned from this thread; When you grasp for straws, anything is possible.

/thread

 

[slimreaper]

What we've learned from this thread; When you grasp for straws, anything is possible.

/thread

Did you actually read the report?

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Did you actually read the report?

If you haven't realised by now Slade and Cole are mocking you. Don't let em f*ckboys walk all over you​

 

[Multiply]

Did you actually read the report?

I was going to just forget about this, but then I decided to skim through the report.

Research shows that prosecutors request substantial assistancedepartures at higher rates for “salvageable” and “sympathetic” defendants—those whoare white, female, and have children.49 A 2001 analysis of more than 77,000 cases in thefederal system from 1991 to 1994 revealed that black and Hispanic male defendantswere significantly less likely to receive substantial assistance departures than white maledefendants. This disparity remained even when the data was controlled for the severityof the offense, prior criminal history, and the specific district court’s sentencingtendencies.50

Professor Spohn’s conclusion has been further verified by research conducted over thepast decade. In his 2001 analysis of 77,236 federal cases from 1991 to 1994, forinstance, Professor David Mustard found that even when cases were controlled for theseverity of the offense, the defendant’s prior criminal history, and the specific districtcourt’s sentencing tendencies, blacks received sentences 5.5 months longer than whitesand Hispanics received sentences 4.5 months longer than whites.64

These are just the first two examples I found.

 

[slimreaper]

So basically 20 years ago blacks got slighty harsher sentences.

Lets go back 50 years ago and find some other neat discrepancies ms. Frizzle