[Predictions] Black Clover Manga Chapter 148 Discussion and 149 Predictions

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Black Clover Manga Chapter 148 Discussion and 149 Predictions

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[Memento Mori]

hmmmmmm...... I quite didn't understood what happened in this chapter!. >_<.

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. Who is that person in the tornado that has the same Four leaf clover as Licht?!. Maybe the first emperor?. And what is the timeline that these events are taking place?.When and why did Licht died?. When did he reincarnated into William?. Right after his death?. Licht(elf) and Tetia(Humans) married?. Tetia is that human-four-leaf-clover's sister?. And who is the child they spoke of?. Pardon me if I got it completely wrong..... if Licht is from where the destruction of his kind begun then who is this Elder they spoke of and admired of?.

Is Licht the elder?. Because they admired him as their leader and where is elder in their story?. :wut::wut::wut::wut::wut:

Is there a Page or two missing?!

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and this one?!. Who is Liar?. Their child?. Who is Pattolie?.

"Looking back at the Distant Memories..." --------> Apt title! :dead:

Edit - Okay I read again and again. Still I didn't get it. Is the person in William is not Licht?. Then who is Licht?. Licht's form is reincarnated into William's body?. Who is the person that is using Licht's form?. .......Who..is...William? :sniff:

 

[Avani]

hmmmmmm...... I quite didn't understood what happened in this chapter!. >_<.

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. Who is that person in the tornado that has the same Four leaf clover as Licht?!. Maybe the first emperor?. And what is the timeline that these events are taking place?.When and why did Licht died?. When did he reincarnated into William?. Right after his death?. Licht(elf) and Tetia(Humans) married?. Tetia is that human-four-leaf-clover's sister?. And who is the child they spoke of?. Pardon me if I got it completely wrong..... if Licht is from where the destruction of his kind begun then who is this Elder they spoke of and admired of?.

Is Licht the elder?. Because they admired him as their leader and where is elder in their story?. :wut::wut::wut::wut::wut:

Is there a Page or two missing?!

What is the connection between

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and this one?!. Who is Liar?. Their child?. Who is Pattolie?.

"Looking back at the Distant Memories..." --------> Apt title! :dead:

Edit - Okay I read again and again. Still I didn't get it. Is the person in William is not Licht?. Then who is Licht?. Licht's form is reincarnated into William's body?. Who is the person that is using Licht's form?. .......Who..is...William? :sniff:

Licht is the Elf leader it seems. Patolli/Patry is the fake Licht who is inside William.... His face is shown there on the last page:

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. He was the guy sitting on the

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. And yep we see Liar in Patolli's Flashback today.

The person in the tornado was the princess- who married Licht. The guy who came chasing her wind element sister/Tornado was the first Empror with 4 leaf clover. Licht died little after the wedding- apparently humans invaded and their magic was blocked somehow. Licht put up the fight but died. Right before his death, he invoked the reincarnation magic to revive all elves but it didn't work very well it seems. So Patolli ended up in body of someone else who looked like Licht.

What we learn today was how Patolli knew or interpreted the events. And he is the light magic user- Licht uses "Sword magic" whatever that is. So Patolli, Licht,Yuno and first wizard king- there are 4 known four leaf clover users. But Asta's grimoire is 5 leaf which is supposed to be elf leader's too.... so how did it turn in to 5 leaf one? If it is the effect of the forbidden magic, can he even use it now? OK now I'm confused.

 

[Memento Mori]

Licht is the Elf leader it seems. Patolli/Patry is the fake Licht who is inside William.... His face is shown there on the last page:

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. He was the guy sitting on the

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. And yep we see Liar in Patolli's Flashback today.

The person in the tornado was the princess- who married Licht. The guy who came chasing her wind element sister/Tornado was the first Empror with 4 leaf clover. Licht died little after the wedding- apparently humans invaded and their magic was blocked somehow. Licht put up the fight but died right before his death he invoked the reincarnation magic to revive all elves but it didn't work very well it seems. So Patolli ended up in body of someone else who looked like Licht.

What we learn today was how Patolli knew or interpreted the events. And he is the light magic user- Licht uses "Sword magic" whatever that is. So Patolli, Licht,Yuno and first wizard king- there are 4 four leaf clover users. But Asta's grimoir is 5 leaf which is supposed to be elf leader's too.... so how did it turn in to 5 leaf one? Is it effect of the forbidden magic? OK now I'm confused.

@bold Awesome!. Now got a clear picture. So this what happened most likely. Tabata sure is playing with us all this time lol.

Hmmm.... where to start..... well.. Long, Long ago..... Licht was born into the Elf tribe who

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. He specializes in

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. One day he coincidentally or by fate

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and his sister, Tetia. Their bonds and wills thickened and he fell in love with Tetia. Later, they were married. The Couple hoped that

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. They wished for a future where the humans and Elfs could live together and peacefully.

Unbeknownst to them..... A conspiracy was in act in their hopes. On a fateful encounter day.... they were attacked by humans who succeeded in killing all of the Elf tribe. A huge casualties were met on that day. Enraged by the lose of his comrades, his family and his hatred...... Licht summoned

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. Tetia's brother fought against Licht and the Demon God. Licht, to save what remains of his Elf lineage and Tetia's brother, to save his humankind..... fought to death. Licht, using his Light : Sword Magic( 4 leaf grimoire) and Tetia's brother using his Light Magic(4 leaf grimoire) fought against each other.

Tetia's brother(First Magic Emperor) defeated and sealed the Demon God in the Licht's Four Leaf Grimoire. Fourth leaf means luck. But what

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. In reality,

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..... after dwelling into or sealed along with the Demon God in it(forming fifth leaf).... it lose it's Magic properties as Magic Swords and became Anti-Magic Swords. Thus the birth of the Five Leaf Grimoire!.

On the verge of the death,

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. After so many generations.... Licht's reincarnation magic invoked and one of his elf members.....

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was

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He plotted good enough and successfully revived his leader, elder,

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.

And as many generations passed on...... Licht was regarded as the Elder of the Elf Tribe

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And that is the prelude to the Black Clover.

Am I missed any points?. What about Yuno and Gauche now?. Still this doesn't explain about Yuno and Asta. Guess we have to wait a little more time.

 

[Avani]

@bold Awesome!. Now got a clear picture. So this what happened most likely. Tabata sure is playing with us all this time lol.

Hmmm.... where to start..... well.. Long, Long ago..... Licht was born into the Elf tribe who

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. He specializes in

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. One day he coincidentally or by fate

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and his sister, Tetia. Their bonds and wills thickened and he fell in love with Tetia. Later, they were married. The Couple hoped that

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. They wished for a future where the humans and Elfs could live together and peacefully.

Unbeknownst to them..... A conspiracy was in act in their hopes. On a fateful encounter day.... they were attacked by humans who succeeded in killing all of the Elf tribe. A huge casualties were met on that day. Enraged by the lose of his comrades, his family and his hatred...... Licht summoned

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. Tetia's brother fought against Licht and the Demon God. Licht, to save what remains of his Elf lineage and Tetia's brother, to save his humankind..... fought to death. Licht, using his Light : Sword Magic( 4 leaf grimoire) and Tetia's brother using his Light Magic(4 leaf grimoire) fought against each other.

Tetia's brother(First Magic Emperor) defeated and sealed the Demon God in the Licht's Four Leaf Grimoire. Fourth leaf means luck. But what

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. In reality,

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..... after dwelling into or sealed along with the Demon God in it(forming fifth leaf).... it lose it's Magic properties as Magic Swords and became Anti-Magic Swords. Thus the birth of the Five Leaf Grimoire!.

On the verge of the death,

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. After so many generations.... Licht's reincarnation magic invoked and one of his elf members.....

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was

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He plotted good enough and successfully revived his leader, elder,

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.

And as many generations passed on...... Licht was regarded as the Elder of the Elf Tribe

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And that is the prelude to the Black Clover.

Am I missed any points?. What about Yuno and Gauche now?. Still this doesn't explain about Yuno and Asta. Guess we have to wait a little more time.

You put it in a lot of efforts! but it seems about right.

I'm still trying to process the chapter properly. Too much scattered info and a lot to be answered. But it sort of makes sense why Licht said his friends( Liar, Vito and Fana) were stronger than him- he was fake Licht. Other elves seemed to consider Pattoli a kid. They probably know it's Pattoli trying to revive Licht and not fooled exactly.

 

[ROHAN]

In before Yuno is the reincarnated Human/Elf hybrid son of Licht.

 

[Memento Mori]

You put it in a lot of efforts! but it seems about right.

I'm still trying to process the chapter properly. Too much scattered info and a lot to be answered. But it sort of makes sense why Licht said his friends( Liar, Vito and Fana) were stronger than him- he was fake Licht. Other elves seemed to consider Pattoli a kid. They probably know it's Pattoli trying to revive Licht and not fooled exactly.

Haha... I almost wrecked my mind after reading this chapter. I immediately started to re-read the flashbacks in this manga. And tried to connect all the dots. When I read your former post about the chance of Forbidden Magic dwelling into the which was originally a Four Leaf Grimoire..... I thought that is the fitting end to the formation of Five Leaf Grimoire from what we knew so far. Haha.

One more point to that........... And also The members of the third eye knew this all along. And also Tetia's brother has been introduced into the manga... way earlier.

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There is also something do with the Silva's Famliy. A

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Again re-reading the chapter..... the one who attacked the Elves possess Light Magic. Not Tetia's brother. Then who?. Someone with Light Magic?. Other than First Magic Emperor and Licht at that time. Who might be that person that plotted this?.

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In before Yuno is the reincarnated Human/Elf hybrid son of Licht.

lol..... He might be!. Then again if Yuno is the Elf descendant then where would that keep Asta from?. Don't forget both Asta and Yuno are left at the Church on the same day by someone unknown. Who is the Mastermind?

 

[ROHAN]

Haha... I almost wrecked my mind after reading this chapter. I immediately started to re-read the flashbacks in this manga. And tried to connect all the dots. When I read your former post about the chance of Forbidden Magic dwelling into the which was originally a Four Leaf Grimoire..... I thought that is the fitting end to the formation of Five Leaf Grimoire from what we knew so far. Haha.

One more point to that........... And also The members of the third eye knew this all along. And also Tetia's brother has been introduced into the manga... way earlier.

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There is also something do with the Silva's Famliy. A

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!

Again re-reading the chapter..... the one who attacked the Elves possess Light Magic. Not Tetia's brother. Then who?. Someone with Light Magic?. Other than First Magic Emperor and Licht at that time. Who might be that person that plotted this?.

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lol..... He might be!. Then again if Yuno is the Elf descendant then where would that keep Asta from?. Don't forget both Asta and Yuno are left at the Church on the same day by someone unknown. Who is the Mastermind?

Only way to explain Asta would be to apply the same logic on him too. Maybe he is the reincarnation of Light's wife. Or he is the reincarnation of the Magic Emperor.

 

[Memento Mori]

Only way to explain Asta would be to apply the same logic on him too. Maybe he is the reincarnation of Light's wife. Or he is the reincarnation of the Magic Emperor.

Incarnation of someone!!!!!. What if Yuno and Asta are stuck in the time since that tragedy and after a very long time the spell which bound them in time(Chrono Stasis or something) is dispelled and were left at the church at the start of the series?.

Yuno's Grimoire is the Wind Spirit.... same as Tetia. Yuno may be the son of Licht and Tetia or he maybe the descendant of the last Elf that survived or probably not there at the time of the incident(safe zoned).

As for Asta.... I always find it peculiar that he has no magic powers. Maybe he is already one with the demon by the birth and those swords are only acting according to his demon will inside of Asta. That is why that Grimoire chose him. Doubt the Five Leaf Grimoire chose Asta out of blue because only he has no magic power!. It is the Demon that made it so I guess.

And who the hell is Nero~

 

[Avani]

Haha... I almost wrecked my mind after reading this chapter. I immediately started to re-read the flashbacks in this manga. And tried to connect all the dots. When I read your former post about the chance of Forbidden Magic dwelling into the which was originally a Four Leaf Grimoire..... I thought that is the fitting end to the formation of Five Leaf Grimoire from what we knew so far. Haha.

One more point to that........... And also The members of the third eye knew this all along. And also Tetia's brother has been introduced into the manga... way earlier.

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There is also something do with the Silva's Famliy. A

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!

Yea, he was mentioned before but not much. It seems the first ME is a prince too- he mentioned a castle and is dressed with a robe..

Again re-reading the chapter..... the one who attacked the Elves possess Light Magic. Not Tetia's brother. Then who?. Someone with Light Magic?. Other than First Magic Emperor and Licht at that time. Who might be that person that plotted this?.

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It should be him unless there were other light magic users. Why-we don't know.

lol..... He might be!. Then again if Yuno is the Elf descendant then where would that keep Asta from?. Don't forget both Asta and Yuno are left at the Church on the same day by someone unknown. Who is the Mastermind?

Licht probably trying to reincarnate his unborn child. Yuno being that child may fit. Wind magic(tetia) + blades( licht). Asta of first ME- no magic due to curse of Licht? hmm fun theory. But not sure. Someone must know what was going on.

Patolli's reincarnation is also odd that he looks like Licht but ends up in William's body. Uses Fana for possession by another elf's spirit- or just manipulated her by forcing his own memories towards Licht since she acted on his feelings for Licht despite him being a fake one.

He gained a four leaf grimiore of light magic after his reincarnation. And it was him, a psycho sidekick, just killed Julius. It's almost like his magic has something to do with possession magic somehow... Was he mad at Tetia and possessed First ME to attack her - accidentally killing Licht too and more destruction then blaming humans... - It is a he or she? I should just stop theorizing now.

There is indeed a third party in play. Someone had to set the events in the motion- at the wedding, the revival of elves after such a long time and Yuno and Asta if the are connected.

Who is Nero- reincarnation of the princess.............?

 

[Memento Mori]

Yea, he was mentioned before but not much. It seems the first ME looks a prince too- he mentioned a castle and is dressed with a robe..



It should be him unless there were other light magic users. Why-we don't know.




Licht probably trying to reincarnate his unborn child. Yuno being that child may fit. Wind magic(tetia) + blades( licht). Asta of first ME- no magic due to curse of Licht? hmm fun theory. But not sure. Someone must know what was going on.

Patolli's reincarnation is also odd that he looks like Licht but ends up in William's body. Uses Fana for possession by another elf's spirit- or just manipulated her by forcing his own memories towards Licht since she acted on his feelings for Licht despite him being a fake one.

He gained a four leaf grimiore of light magic after his reincarnation. And it was him, a psycho sidekick, just killed Julius. It's almost like his magic has something to do with possession magic somehow... Was he mad at Tetia and possessed First ME to attack her - accidentally killing Licht too and more destruction then blaming humans... - It is a he or she? I should just stop theorizing now.

There is indeed a third party in play. Someone had to set the events in the motion- at the wedding, the revival of elves after such a long time and Yuno and Asta if the are connected.

Who is Nero- reincarnation of the princess.............?

That is a good catch. He might be a prince. And that too... I believe he belongs to the Silva family. Because of what Vetto mentioned to Noelle in the Water Temple arc. Still I don't think it is First Magic Emperor(FME) who planned that attacked and massacred them. I doubt he would kill his own sister and only later to fight to death against Licht & Demon God.

Agree with Yuno being their descendant or the unborn child himself. With Julius, we knew that there are Time Magic Grimoires which can halt, move, steal and give Time. So that is a possibility. The only question is who did that?.

@bold... what did you meant by that?. Sorry I didn't understood. Are you saying that Asta may be the reincarnation of the FME?. If Pattoli is the only one that is reincarnated by Lichts spell at that time then what about Fana, Vetto and Liar?. Are they just spirits that possessed humans?.

Yeah it is kinda sad that Julius is dead without knowing all of this commotion. He'd be thrilled for sure lol. I think Pattoli is a He because he is reincarnated into a he(William). Lolol. Xd. Yeah I think someone behind put all of this ploy into the motion. What if it is Nero?. No..no.. my Nero is too cute and innocent for such things. >_>. Someone from Silva family I guess. We sure do not know if the Royalty of Silva family agreed to their marriage or not.

Any more theories?
Nero is reincarnation of Tabata.

 

[Avani]

@bold... what did you meant by that?. Sorry I didn't understood. Are you saying that Asta may be the reincarnation of the FME?. If Pattoli is the only one that is reincarnated by Lichts spell at that time then what about Fana, Vetto and Liar?. Are they just spirits that possessed humans?..[/STRIKE]

Fana was not incarnated- she said she felt possessed. Her behaviour and way of reacting matched Patollie himself. She was using her own grimoire and magic but acting hyper like Patolli at the thought of Licht getting hurt. So it was probably him manipulating her.

Not sure but he might have used Finral's bother too in similar way to slow Yami down and avenge Vitto- Rangil's irrational dislike for Asta too may be part of Patolli's resentment towards him because of the Licht'sswords and grimoire.

Liar and Vitto however seem to have their own memories so they may have reincarnated or possessing a body just like Patolli.

I'm not sure if Licht really died or he was just sealed/trapped? And why does Patollie look like him? Why did he revive in this base miles away from the place where Patollie completed the ritual? Witch queen said forbidden magic involved a sacrifice. What was the sacrifice Licht made exactly when he invoked it?

PS: @ bold: yea- Any incarnation with such a curse.. too far fetched. Will just wait for more info. Tabata must be having a laugh.

 

[Memento Mori]

Fana was not incarnated- she said she felt possessed. He behaviour and way of reacting matched Patollie himself. She was using her own grimoire and magic but acting hyper like Patolli at the thought of Lich getting hurt. So it was probably him manipulating her.

Not sure but he might have used Finral's bother too in similar way to slow Yami down and avenge Vitto- Rangil's irrational dislike for Asta too may be part of Patolli's resentment towards him because of the swords and grimoire.

Liar and Vitto however seem to have their own memories so they may have reincarnated or possessing a body just like Patolli.

I'm not sure if Licht really die or he was just sealed/trapped? And how Patollie looks like Licht. Why did he revive in this base miles away from the place where Patollie completed the ritual? Witch queen said forbidden magic involved a sacrifice. What was the sacrifice Licht made exactly when he invoked it?

PS: @ bold: yea- Any incarnation with such a curse.. too far fetched. Will just wait for more info. Tabata must be having a laugh.

Yeah it would be better if the writer explains a little more about the reincarnations part. Licht is dead. That much we can conclude from the given set of events. But his body was later sealed or went onto stasis condition. Patollie just happened to be reincarnated as a younger self who looks like Licht. If you look closely, the real Licht and fake Licht differs in their eyebrows and forehead design a bit..... The sacrifice is most likely Tetia or maybe his unborn child if Yuno is not his child or if yuno is not his only child. Eitherway.... I can't wait for the next chapter.