Bijuu Susanoo misconception

[Im Still Robin]

Sword blitz with no plot, Naruto has no counter, in fact has already been blitzed like that, facts.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Do you have proof that they werent unconcious? because if i remember correctly by the time that sasuke released the bijus the kurama inside naruto had also already wake up (this is why he was able to release IT along with sasuke) meaning the other bijus had also time to recover their chakra since their chakra was pulled a lot earlier.

And also kurama had already confirmed that sasuke toked all of their chakra in VIZ when stated that he was putting "All of the disseminated chakra in to one".

I don't know about the anime but in the manga yin kurama inside naruto was never shown again. They undo IT with the duo handsign then sasuke dropped chibaku tensei to free awake yang kurama. it doesn't specify the time it takes for him to be knocked out sleep but I doubt it'd just be a few seconds or minutes lol otherwise why would kishi even had bothered adding condition.

ff topic thou, I can't believe naruto did all these feats with half of kurama. lol full kurama must be broken asf. lol

edit: yeah you're right, yin kurama did say all of the chakra. these translations man lol

 

[Amazeballs]

A lot of people think that Sasuke relying on bijuu to match Naruto is a sign that he's weaker but what he did was literally no different to Senjutsu users relying on NE.

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He took a source of energy that's not his own and controlled it using his OWN power, he used his eyes to control bijuu chakra same way Naruto uses his body to control NE. The use of bijuu totally depends on the user's dojutsu skill and power level no different to using a weapon.



In other words, Sasuke's bijuu Susanoo was 100% his own feat because it's not something that can be done without his talent for ninjutsu. If what he did was considered relying on handout then the same logic should apply to Senjutsu users.

Natural energy is available every battle. It's a lot harder to gather Bijuu. Naruto can replicate his feat in any battle with no prep other than having a clone gather natural energy. Sasuke needs to have all of the Bijuu in the same place at the same time.

On the other hand, Sasuke truly did use his own power 100% (aside from gifts from Itachi/Hagoromo), while Naruto relies on cooperation with Kurama. While Naruto suffered a lot of danger and arguably trained harder to master his power, in the end he wasn't born a Jinchuuriki.

Still, Sasuke's feat definitely required more prep and is thus a one-time thing. He'd have to gather all of the Bijuu again to match Naruto's raw power. Doesn't make him less of a badass; Naruto can't travel through dimensions or absorb chakra, and to Sasuke such feats are simple.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

JJ Sasuke would've been too OP.

 

[Nick01]

Conclusion: Sasuke < Naruto

Obviously. What's more is that at the end of the day Naruto only fought to match, not to kill nor win.
Makes me wonder how truly hax Naruto is unrestricted and going all out.

sasuke still needed their chakra. Something sasuke doesn't have access to. Naruto always has access to ne.

This.
People really comparing NE to living entities? lel

also Sasuke doesn't constantly begging for power like Naruto to Kurama :elmo:

Faps with their fanfic.

JJ Sasuke would've been too OP.

Not nearly as OP as JJ Naruto.

 

[Warlocks]

 

[Warlocks]

but u cant deny

that sasuke have to search and gather all of the Bijuu

from all over the earth

so that he can match Naruto:bdpf:

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Except NE is not originally the Senjutsu user's power that's why they have to absorb it and activate it, only people born with Senjutsu are Kaguya's children.

Every other Senjutsu user relies on a power that isn't their own, the use of bijuu chakra is no different to use of NE. In addition, Naruto uses RSM which also relies on bijuu chakra so Sasuke is just fighting him on equal grounds.



And part of the point of this thread is to say using bijuu chakra is still a body/eye feat so it's a part of their power. Bijuus are weapons no different to Sasori's puppets or a samurai's sword.


And need doesn't need bijuu chakra, he used them because they were the quickest way to force Naruto into going all out, don't forget he can use Preta so there's literally no way he can run out of chakra to fight Naruto.

the difference between every example you gave is that the users always have access to the ability. Sasuke doesn not.

Puppet users always have access their puppets
swordsmen always have access their swords
Naruto always has access to NE.

 

[Holy God]

Do you have proof that they werent unconcious? because if i remember correctly by the time that sasuke released the bijus the kurama inside naruto had also already wake up (this is why he was able to release IT along with sasuke) meaning the other bijus had also time to recover their chakra since their chakra was pulled a lot earlier.

And also kurama had already confirmed that sasuke toked all of their chakra in VIZ when stated that he was putting "All of the disseminated chakra in to one".

You're misinterpreting the use of the word "all" in that sentence. Besides, in the original Japanese text, Kurama does not specify any amount; he just refers to chakra in general. You also know that Sasuke attempted to absorb more chakra after he and Naruto fell, thus meaning the Tailed Beasts obviously had more chakra, right?

 

[lndra]

Narutooooooooooooooo.
Sasukeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

 

[SenseiSama]

Yes agreed HIS rinnegan feat, not nagato or anybody else.

Lol we will never agree on the Nagato debacle :lol

But isn't it funny how in the spam of day he used more biju chakra then naruto in his hole life?:elmo:

But Kurama gathered more NE than the 9 bijuu chakra combined, they balanced each other's pwoer out. Naruto used NE to match Sasuke's chakra potency and Sasuke used the bijuu to match Naruto's chakra mass

 

[kiiro]

True. Yes

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

haha, didnt naruto win though?

 

[Oblivionx]

The only difference as many mentioned is that nature energy can be drawn in any time. While sasuke doesn't have excess to biju chakra all the time. Nobody is denying that it takes skills to use all that chakra especially using susano to contain that chakra was exceptional of sasuke but it doesn't change the fact that if they had fought anywhere else where bijus weren't so conveniently gathered, naruto would have won.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

The only difference as many mentioned is that nature energy can be drawn in any time. While sasuke doesn't have excess to biju chakra all the time. Nobody is denying that it takes skills to use all that chakra especially using susano to contain that chakra was exceptional of sasuke but it doesn't change the fact that if they had fought anywhere else where bijus weren't so conveniently gathered, naruto would have won.

Not really, Sasuke defeated and obtained the bijuu before the battle started, their location wouldn't matter because they're already in Sasuke's possession.

It all comes down to the fact that Sasuke despite being completely new to his rinnegan, EMS AND the bijuu chakra yet he was able to pull things comparable to the legendary figures. (Susanoo as armor mimicking Madara's EMS technique, coreless CT and rinne genjutsu which are comparable to Six paths CT and IT respectively, and creating Bijuu PS which is comparable to Hagoromo creating the 9 Bijuu)

If Sasuke was experienced with his new powers he would've been able to stalemate Naruto without it, as mentioned by kishi as to how Hokage Naruto and Adult Sasuke are equals.

Naruto is stronger, but Sasuke's skills and brains allows him to equal foes with far superior powers.

 

[davidou]

Yes Sasuke is skilled, he managed to change the nature of all this chakra into lighting.Impressive.
But it's just a skill, he can only do that if he has access to an outside source of chakra.
I think nature change into your natural affinity is easier to achieve than mix NE with your chakra, making Naruto's skill also very impressive.

 

[Oblivionx]

Not really, Sasuke defeated and obtained the bijuu before the battle started, their location wouldn't matter because they're already in Sasuke's possession.

It all comes down to the fact that Sasuke despite being completely new to his rinnegan, EMS AND the bijuu chakra yet he was able to pull things comparable to the legendary figures. (Susanoo as armor mimicking Madara's EMS technique, coreless CT and rinne genjutsu which are comparable to Six paths CT and IT respectively, and creating Bijuu PS which is comparable to Hagoromo creating the 9 Bijuu)

If Sasuke was experienced with his new powers he would've been able to stalemate Naruto without it, as mentioned by kishi as to how Hokage Naruto and Adult Sasuke are equals.

Naruto is stronger, but Sasuke's skills and brains allows him to equal foes with far superior powers.

You basically just explained my statement "it was exceptional of sasuke how he contained chakra in susano".
@bold, that's opinionated. Sasuke even with mastered rinnegan won't have anything as good as biju chakra. That's just plain fact. Whether you accept it or not. That biju juice was too op. Therefore sasuke would lose without biju chakra. As for kishi, he said itachi is invincible in manga, so itachi defeats kaguya then? This discussion is about feats. Otherwise hiruzen is god of shinobi, timari can blow away the universe.
@underlined, this is the worst way of dealing with a vs match up on NB. Because intelligence of a character is nullified here. In manga surely sasuke would use some tactics to deal with naruto, i agree. But not here on NB where feats are sole descriptors. Because i would like to use the same logic with my fav characters, itachi and minato (two true prodigies) but without feats i can't just say minato beats SM kabuto because he is smarter than him or itachi/ minato beat healthy nagato because they are smarter than him. This is just an example not that am saying they'd lose to kabuto and nagato.