[VS] Big Mom vs Whitebeard (Marineford)

[Our Lord Sasuke]

Both Big Mom and Whitebeard are the only 2 yonkou's so far in the manga to show the most feats.

During the Marine Ford War, Whitebeard was probably the weakest among the Yonko. He wielded the title and most powerful fruit but I bet on Big Mom this time

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[Love Cook]

I don't think Whitebeard and all his commanders were dealt a fair hand. He was introduced pre-skip and in basically the pre-haki era of One Piece.

The concept of haki was changed as soon as Rayleigh explained it to luffy (and the reader) and we went into a timeskip. Obviously the war would still do down the same even if Oda was consequent in the portrayal since Whitebeard and Ace were supposed to die there. But I think if we could swap Whitebeard's introduction with Big Mom that we would see a whole other whitebeard. Big mom hasn't got hurt at all besides the scraped knee she caused herself, but she has been shot at, ate cannonballs and swords, took her own lightning attack on the chin and got blasted by a coup de burst among a lot of other things. Not a single scratch. Meanwhile Whitebeard tanked every bullet and stab that came his way. With Kaidou being invincible, Big Mom's skin, Blackbeards power to absorb damage. He definitely got the short end of the stick.

Even though he was impressive at Marineford I think he could've been better now. For example let's swap Dogtooth or Jack with Marco. Both of them would probably do a lot better job than Marco did at Marineford. Marco was taking shots at Akainu without using haki, he was getting cuffed by vice-admirals.

I think if we get to see Marco in action again now that he will be on a different level from last time we saw him since he also needs to get that timeskip buff to keep up with the power creep in One Piece.

That being said I think if Whitebeard and Big Mom would have a fight right now. I think Big Mom would win, she is unrelentless, despite being old she doesn't struggle with her health. Their fighting style is oddly enough pretty comparable. I see them both as boxers with boxing gloves made out of Devil fruit abilities. Whitebeard has a Bisento and Big Mom has Napoleon. So no one really has an advantage on that level. They both have insane strength, but Whitebeard might have a little edge here. I think his inability to do major damage and his stamina will be his downfall.

It's too bad we only got to see Whitebeard light in action. I think Whitebeard in his prime would've been the coolest yonkou.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

For the higher ranking officers Marco, Ace, Jozu, Vista, Katakuri, and Cracker are confirmed to have buso Haki.

Now the problem is that some of the ministers are stronger than whitebeard’s 6-16 commanders and some of the ministers showed Buso Haki as well as amazing devil fruit powers unlike the lesser commanders on whitebeard’s Ship.

Big mom’s crew seems stronger to be honest but I feel like Whitebeard can extreme high diff Big Mom in a razor close victory.
Whitebeard’s devil fruit powers are so destructive that it’s not even funny, granted that Big Mom can fly, Whitebeard’s quakes can hoist tsunamis and vibrate the skies to an extent.

I’d love to see Marco vs Katakuri

 

[chopstickchakra]

WB was dying at MF, he had stopped taking his meds and basically resolved himself to sacrificing himself for Ace. Any MF scenario against a top tier is gonna be a loss for WB because of the condition Oda put him in at the time. Without the illness WB would likely win but as far as MF WB goes he'd die.

 

[Edogawa]

Big Mom wins. Her durability > Akainu’s who tanked his strongest bloodlusted quake punches with little damage. Whitebeard, on the other hand, would die from BM spamming her slashes and elements.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

WB ( not in his prime ) > BM high diff

he is king of pirates ( Roger ) Rival after all ​

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

WB was dying at MF, he had stopped taking his meds and basically resolved himself to sacrificing himself for Ace. Any MF scenario against a top tier is gonna be a loss for WB because of the condition Oda put him in at the time. Without the illness WB would likely win but as far as MF WB goes he'd die.

In this scenario Ace is fighting with them so that an make a big difference in comparison to the war because they don’t need to play defense at all.

 

[chopstickchakra]

In this scenario Ace is fighting with them so that an make a big difference in comparison to the war because they don’t need to play defense at all.

People keep mentioning crews but OP just said WB vs BM that doesn't mean the crews are involved. Even still assuming they are, MF WB was destined to die, if we use MF WB against any top tier than realistically it'll result in a dead WB after a long hard fight.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

People keep mentioning crews but OP just said WB vs BM that doesn't mean the crews are involved. Even still assuming they are, MF WB was destined to die, if we use MF WB against any top tier than realistically it'll result in a dead WB after a long hard fight.

actually this is not true

clearly in the manga we saw old WB owning anyone face to face without distraction
Akainu was knocked down and WB was standing in that moment while akainu was out for some time
even after one hit from old WB who received many hits from other strong characters

a fight face to face without interfering will cause anyone in MF a guaranteed death

some akainu fanboys ( i'm not talking about you ) always focus on the part that akainu hit wb second hit
but they forget in purpose that akainu was knocked down and defeated and old sick WB was standing

i know what you try to explain
your logic is : WB is old therefore he is not in his prime therefore any top tier is stronger than him

which not true since akainu was knocked down and collapsed​

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[chopstickchakra]

actually this is not true

clearly in the manga we saw old WB owning anyone face to face without distraction
Akainu was knocked down and WB was standing in that moment while akainu was out for some time
even after one hit from old WB who received many hits from other strong characters

a fight face to face without interfering will cause anyone in MF a guaranteed death

some akainu fanboys ( i'm not talking about you ) always focus on the part that akainu hit wb second hit
but they forget in purpose that akainu was knocked down and defeated and old sick WB was standing

i know what you try to explain
your logic is : WB is old therefore he is not in his prime therefore any top tier is stronger than him

which not true since akainu was knocked down and collapsed​

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But he wasn't able to finish any of them due to his "heart attack" episodes. Not his age, his age alone is nothing but the illness and the fact he stopped taking his medicine and since the WB at MF had the illness and stopped his meds he was destined to die there. If WB managed the illness I think he could win but the WB who let the illness attack him will lose, he had admitted defeat by not trying to fight off the illness. Mentally he'd lose if that's the WB we got.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

People keep mentioning crews but OP just said WB vs BM that doesn't mean the crews are involved. Even still assuming they are, MF WB was destined to die, if we use MF WB against any top tier than realistically it'll result in a dead WB after a long hard fight.

I’m yet to see a Yonko fight without their crew and in all fairness OP didn’t specify if it was Marineford Whitebeard or the Prime Whitebeard that fought Rogers, he just made a comment on which on marine ford Whitebeard.

 

[TheNuetrix]

I'd put my money on Whitebeard (high diff).

 

[Punk Hazard]

Big Mom high diff. WB has superior power, but his old age will tire him out and bring him down faster than he bring down BM IMO.

Big mom hasn't got hurt at all besides the scraped knee she caused herself, but she has been shot at, ate cannonballs and swords, took her own lightning attack on the chin and got blasted by a coup de burst among a lot of other things. Not a single scratch. Meanwhile Whitebeard tanked every bullet and stab that came his way. With Kaidou being invincible, Big Mom's skin, Blackbeards power to absorb damage. He definitely got the short end of the stick.

There's no reason to assume that if WB was around post-skip, he would be able to do these things that BM does. In fact, BM's impenetrable skin has been portrayed as something unique to Big Mom. If that was something Oda intended for that to just be a sign of the Emperor's because they're just that strong, we would have gotten that indication rather it being said over and over that that was an attribute unique to BM. Even Kaido isn't impenetrable, as he has tattoos and that massive scar on his abdomen.

Even though he was impressive at Marineford I think he could've been better now.

WB still has feats that match up to now though. The size of his tsunamis, for instance, is bigger than anything BM has shown, including her own tsunami.

 

[Edogawa]

WB ( not in his prime ) > BM high diff

he is king of pirates ( Roger ) Rival after all ​

King of Pirates isn’t a title of strength, and Roger avoided fighting Big Mom out of fear and instead stole the poneglyphs in stealth manner. That sounds a better hype.

 

[Love Cook]

Big Mom high diff. WB has superior power, but his old age will tire him out and bring him down faster than he bring down BM IMO.


There's no reason to assume that if WB was around post-skip, he would be able to do these things that BM does. In fact, BM's impenetrable skin has been portrayed as something unique to Big Mom. If that was something Oda intended for that to just be a sign of the Emperor's because they're just that strong, we would have gotten that indication rather it being said over and over that that was an attribute unique to BM. Even Kaido isn't impenetrable, as he has tattoos and that massive scar on his abdomen.



WB still has feats that match up to now though. The size of his tsunamis, for instance, is bigger than anything BM has shown, including her own tsunami.

Yes I know that those are unique traits but WB was taking hits that aren't worthy of a yonkou. The squardo stab was plot I get that but he was shot like a couple of hundred times and slashed by basic marines. I feel if he was introduced post skip he would've worn a big fat coat of haki and laugh at that shit. What I was trying to say is that all the yonkou so far seem to have a build in defense, except for Whitebeard who was just a slow moving target during the entire war. Whitebeard got the short end of the stick with the timing of his introduction.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I’m yet to see a Yonko fight without their crew and in all fairness OP didn’t specify if it was Marineford Whitebeard or the Prime Whitebeard that fought Rogers, he just made a comment on which on marine ford Whitebeard.

Check the title of the thread.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Big Mom most likely wins. WB’s strongest punch would most likely do heavy damage but he’ll eventually lose to continuous attacks from Big mom as well as having the lesser durability.

btw Akainu>WB and big mom. Only Kaido and possibly B.B are stronger than him

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Big Mom would mid/low-diff him. I honestly don't think her speed is noteworthy if Chopper & co could fend her off, but I feel her range more than compensates for that. If WB could be riddled with bullet holes, any of her ranged attacks should do well against him all while WB himself would probably struggle to damage Big Mom.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Check the title of the thread.

I thought that meant location. Hmm, I think it’ll draw.

 

[Easyfathom]

Dying Whitebeard at Marineford, Big Mom wins.

Whitebeard not dying (not necessarily prime), Whitebeard wins.