[VS] Big mom vs akainu

[Shanks]

Meh tough call man i probably will give it to Big Mom if its 1 vs 1 match i honestly think she is strong many just underestimate her strength , like i always said underestimating Big Mom is just quite bad . Oda wouldnt just give her a yonko title .


Knowing the quite mismatch Sakazuki probably wouldnt fight her given her soul soul fruit ability and also he needs t handle mighty Prometheus and Zeus .

 

[Shanks]

Well nice fanfic but that is not how it works.

Even at the war of the best plenty of characters much lower on the ladder than Big Mom showed counters to the magma.

With her exceptional haki, her impenetrable skin and her ability to put soul into objects she has plenty of ways to combat the magma.

Hell she might even be able to put a soul into the magma and take control over it. Because Akainu can only pump it out, but as soon as it leaves his body he doesn't have control over it anymore. Big Mom can take control over the excess magma and have it absorb incoming magma attacks for her.

She controlled other elements as well, so there is no reason to think she wouldn't be able to weaponize Akainu's magma. So his limitless magma wouldn't work in his favor.

Very nice argument there i havent really thought about she can control elements . No wonder none of the marines bothered to approach her island because of that devil fruit lol . Lmao Soul Soul fruit will be the most wanted devil fruit in the black market if ever Big mom dies .

 

[LBeezy]

I gotta agree with Tosh on this one, what good would it actually do? Akainu can run right through it and attack her directly, it can't hurt him so aside from maybe absorbing lava he throws into it what does it serve? And prometheus would be useless in a fuight against Sabo or a logia until it's shown haki can be added to his lightning strikes.

@bold don't you think that alone is nice to have while fighting against Akainu? (Obviously this is just something extra added on to what Big Mom can already do) idk.. I think it would come in handy..

 

[ToshiZO]

I mean I guess the Cp0 is better than teach's crew also. Since he ran from them too and this is after he's a full fledged yonko. Dude stop your logic is toxic when it comes to BM. bB pre yonko running is not some amazing hype.

Akainu is not a guaranteed eos opponent for luffy, it could very well be sabo. Going by scars now lol. And you know Kaido is likely to be dealt with b4 akainu so is akainu > Kaido.

An old Wb who was sick was taking it from akainu and and others and still made the akainu work for it. BM or any respectable yonko would handle a WB in that state better, right there we have some evidence as to why akainu might be slightly inferior.

At the end of the day it's an extreme diff fight. Her durability is much superior to WB and she has haki and firepower to harm akainu.

Too bad all the points you brought were already addressed in my post. No idea what the Cp0 has to do with anything considering they are an entire group and this in unknown circumstances...meanwhile Sakazuki alone was enough to make them run.

 

[chopstickchakra]

@bold don't you think that alone is nice to have while fighting against Akainu? (Obviously this is just something extra added on to what Big Mom can already do) idk.. I think it would come in handy..

meh not substantially I don't think.

Plus we don't even really know that that can happen. If it could it would be a nice little twist thrown into the fight but I don't think it would actually hinder Akainu that much and who says he can't resorb that lava? If he resorbed it, it couldn't harm him and it'd be removed from the battlefield. Idk I just don't think it's that significant of a factor in this fight. That said I do still think BM would win even though I still feel like she's probably the weakest Yonkou. I just don't feel that an Admiral could 1v1 an Yonkou in good health despite Akainu's good showings.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@bold don't you think that alone is nice to have while fighting against Akainu? (Obviously this is just something extra added on to what Big Mom can already do) idk.. I think it would come in handy..

It's a pretty shit idea when Akainu can merge with a magma Homie, forcing the soul out and literally causing a shield within BM's immediate vicinity to fall backwards as an attack again.

 

[arv993]

Too bad all the points you brought were already addressed in my post. No idea what the Cp0 has to do with anything considering they are an entire group and this in unknown circumstances...meanwhile Sakazuki alone was enough to make them run.

An entire group without one individual who was remotely on akainus level as far as hype goes. Aldo post skip Bb and crew is quite superior to a preskip version. We can go for eons on how BB is an opportunist and likes to handle business most of the time through sneaky measures but that's time wasted on you I would assume.

 

[ToshiZO]

An entire group without one individual who was remotely on akainus level as far as hype goes. We can go for eons on how BB is an opportunist and likes to handle business most of the time through sneaky measures but that's time wasted on you I would assume.

Don't care what Teach is. Got nothing to do with the scene hyping Akainu, you can sit here and make shitty excuses all day long it won't change that.

 

[arv993]

Don't care what Teach is. Got nothing to do with the scene hyping Akainu, you can sit here and make shitty excuses all day long it won't change that.

Excuses? Those are facts about BB. You can't ignore the facts about the person who is hyping akainu.

 

[ToshiZO]

Excuses? Those are facts about BB. You can't ignore the facts about the person who is hyping akainu.

No shit Sherlock, that's BB's personality, some fodders wouldn't even run, doesn't change a thing however when it pertains to Oda hyping Akainu.

Teach had no issues challenging Garp and Sengoku together. Red Hair pirates got him to run, and Akainu singlehandedly got him and his crew to run, that's hype for the latter two.

Keep making shitty excuses though, you don't seem to understand how hype works.

 

[LBeezy]

It's a pretty shit idea when Akainu can merge with a magma Homie, forcing the soul out and literally causing a shield within BM's immediate vicinity to fall backwards as an attack again.

Nah.. it's still a pretty cool added bonus to have while fighting Akainu.. it's obviously advantageous against any long range / projectile type of attacks.. Big Mom has everything else in her arsenal for close range combat..

Personally, idk who would win in this fight.. but I did think that Love Cook's concept for a magma homie was an interesting idea..

 

[Love Cook]

Nah.. it's still a pretty cool added bonus to have while fighting Akainu.. it's obviously advantageous against any long range / projectile type of attacks.. Big Mom has everything else in her arsenal for close range combat..

Personally, idk who would win in this fight.. but I did think that Love Cook's concept for a magma homie was an interesting idea..

That's what happens Beezy, the guy argues for 2 pages because he realizes he made a mistake in his initial post. Can't find any proof for his speculation to safe his life. He quietly disappears and comes back to suddenly shit on the idea. That's the loser strategy of debating.

But I understand, because Big Mom put a soul into clouds, trees, into the ground itself, fire, the ocean. Those are all pretty shit idea's by Oda. And meanwhile the idea of Logia being able to control the element outside of their body gets completely ignored by Oda. I would also feel like an unrecognized genius if I had such cool ideas for the series but if they were never implemented.

Well here is to hoping that awakening for Logia's maybe can do something about that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's what happens Beezy, the guy argues for 2 pages because he realizes he made a mistake in his initial post. Can't find any proof for his speculation to safe his life. He quietly disappears and comes back to suddenly shit on the idea. That's the loser strategy of debating.

I ignored your post because you looking at Caesar explicitly stating "I can control the air around me" after saying "You can't breathe without oxygen" and then going on to say "We don't know what he did, we don't know if he's controlling external gases" alone tells me that you're either incapable of reading comprehension, of there's no point in debating with you since you'll ignore blatant facts from the manga just to avoid admitting you're wrong to salvage your ego. This added onto your insistence of forgoing the primary source of canon for a fan-translation of the secondary source shows that, for one reason or another, you lack the capacity needed for this to be worthwhile.

If you want to ignore facts to ramble your bad point, then go ahead, that's not what I'm looking to do here.

And meanwhile the idea of Logia being able to control the element outside of their body gets completely ignored by Oda.

Caesar can control oxygen he didn't create that is separate from his body, but other Logias can't control their masses of their element separate from their body. This kind of contradictory storytelling is truly what makes Oda such a great writer, ain't it?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doesn't even matter IF Akainu can use magma that he randomly left on the floor 5 minutes ago.. the point is that Big Mom can also do the same thing to that type of magma with her DF power.. so Love Cook is making a lot of sense when it comes to this match up.. if BM can can have a homie made of magma Akainu is going to have an even more difficult time trying to hit her let alone hurt her..

Imagine BM having Prometheus while fighting Sabo... think about that for a second..

That Homie is 100% useless when Akainu forces it to move the same way Nami forced Zeus' "body" to move with her Lightning attack. Sure, she can make the Homie, won't make a lick of difference when Akainu still has complete control over magma.

 

[Love Cook]

That Homie is 100% useless when Akainu forces it to move the same way Nami forced Zeus' "body" to move with her Lightning attack. Sure, she can make the Homie, won't make a lick of difference when Akainu still has complete control over magma.

Logia's can't control their element outside of their body. Might want to add some proof to that speculation.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Logia's can't control their element outside of their body. Might want to add some proof to that speculation.

Caesar explicitly stating he can control the air around him because it's made up of gases.

Ace controlling fire from cannonball fire.

Enel making lightning from the sky BEFORE the Arc Maxim

 

[chopstickchakra]

Logia's can't control their element outside of their body. Might want to add some proof to that speculation.

Even if they can't control it while separated from their body all Akainu should really need to do is lay a finger on the magma homie then he could re-assimilate the magma.

 

[LBeezy]

That Homie is 100% useless when Akainu forces it to move the same way Nami forced Zeus' "body" to move with her Lightning attack. Sure, she can make the Homie, won't make a lick of difference when Akainu still has complete control over magma.

Nami never did anything to Zeus himself.. she kept filling him up with her weather eggs and then used said weather eggs to trigger the lightning attack.. it's not like she was actually able to physically move him around the sky telepathically with her hand or anything..

That being said, we actually have no proof at all about what would happen if a Logia user tried to manipulate one of Big Mom's Homies.. for example, we actually don't know what would happen if Sabo tried to use Prometheus for an attack of his own.. since Prometheus is purely fire... (like I said earlier the Nami and Zeus situation was very circumstantial and different of course since Zeus is a thunder cloud, not just purely a lightning bolt.. and obviously Nami isn't a Logia user like Enel.. what she did was plant her own weapons into Zeus and then activated them when she wanted to.. she never actually controlled Zeus the way BM does.)

Bottom line is we have zero evidence or proof of what would actually happen if a Logia user tried to manipulate one of Big Mom's Homies.. they might not be able to since it has BM's soul in it and is now apart of her and under her control..

So since all we can do is assume, we'll just have to wait for now until Oda actually shows us what would happen before we can speak factually on this..

I like the idea though and it's an interesting, thought provoking idea that Love Cook came up with.. Hopefully we get to see a strong Logia user like Akainu actually go up against Big Mom for real..

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nami never did anything to Zeus himself.. she kept filling him up with her weather eggs and then used said weather eggs to trigger the lightning attack.. it's not like she was actually able to physically move him around the sky telepathically with her hand or anything..

The shape of Zeus' body distorted when Nami took control of the lightning inside of himself, and he appeared unable to stop or control his "body" when it was happening. My point was, if Zeus' body could be distorted through Nami INDIRECTLY controlling it(manipulating the lightning inside), a magma Homie ain't gonna be able to stop Akainu DIRECTLY manipulating the magma itself.

That being said, we actually have no proof at all about what would happen if a Logia user tried to manipulate one of Big Mom's Homies.. for example, we actually don't know what would happen if Sabo tried to use Prometheus for an attack of his own.. since Prometheus is purely fire... (like I said earlier the Nami and Zeus situation was very circumstantial and different of course since Zeus is a thunder cloud, not just purely a lightning bolt.. and obviously Nami isn't a Logia user like Enel.. what she did was plant her own weapons into Zeus and then activated them when she wanted to.. she never actually controlled Zeus the way BM does.)

As I said again, Zeus appeared to have lost control over his "body" through indirect manipulation. It stands to reason that a direct manipulation from a Logia would have the same effect.

 

[Love Cook]

Caesar explicitly stating he can control the air around him because it's made up of gases.

Ace controlling fire from cannonball fire.

Enel making lightning from the sky BEFORE the Arc Maxim

Those are already all debunked on the previous page

Ace never controlled the fire around him he made a tunnel of fire with an attack of his own

Enel is not making the lightning from the sky. The sky made that lightning and he served as a conductor.

Also we don't know how Ceasar's ability works. The air can't simply vanish so who knows how he does it ? My best guess is that like he can make gas appear from his body he is able to suck it in as well. That would make most sense since logia can only make the elements appear from their own body. They don't have control over their element once it's outside of the body.

Even if they can't control it while separated from their body all Akainu should really need to do is lay a finger on the magma homie then he could re-assimilate the magma.

I've never seen a logia do something like that. That sounds more like a paramecia ability. Take Kuzan and Akainu for example. There was so much ice and magma around during the war, why didn't the capitalize once on an opportunity like that? That is because once the attack is done they have no control over it anymore it seems. Maybe an awakening will change that though.