[VS] Big mom vs akainu
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Akainu doesn't really have to attack her directly, all he has to do is sink her island and she's done for. Paramecia are no match for the Logia overlords.
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It isnt game over genius she'd kjust put her soul into the sea again and ride on a giant ass living wave and continue on.
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Linlin obviously wins, seriously. Look at the three great powers and you should automatically know.
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Well nice fanfic but that is not how it works.
Even at the war of the best plenty of characters much lower on the ladder than Big Mom showed counters to the magma.
With her exceptional haki, her impenetrable skin and her ability to put soul into objects she has plenty of ways to combat the magma.
Hell she might even be able to put a soul into the magma and take control over it. Because Akainu can only pump it out, but as soon as it leaves his body he doesn't have control over it anymore. Big Mom can take control over the excess magma and have it absorb incoming magma attacks for her.
She controlled other elements as well, so there is no reason to think she wouldn't be able to weaponize Akainu's magma. So his limitless magma wouldn't work in his favor.
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Magma punch is connected to his body so she wouldnt be able to take control of it.
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Agreed. Akainu's abilities are dangerous, but not impossible to deal with.
That's where her own defenses come into play. She could also bring the ground or any nearby water sources to life to act as a barrier and block such attacks.
Akainu. Narrative-ly speaking Sakazuki has contended with the WSM. Survived his blood-lusted island shattering onslaught. Outside Kaido (WSC) and Teach - who realistically isn't losing to anyone but Luffy, I don't see how this is debatable. For all her excessive trinkets MUM doesn't have strength superior to the WSM. Her DF doesn't effect those fearless to her claim. Akainu has proven himself knowledgeable around bladed weapons. Zeus is Fire (< Magma). Prometheus is a cloud hurling rain to an opponent who vaporized steel by simply moving and had his Daifunka boil water. Giving a soul to magma is ineffective as Sakazuki is magma. You can't hurt him with his element. There's also intangibles like intellect. We've seen him goad his enemies to disrupt their mental status; WB - Ace. Which we know is useful against observation.
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Akainu strikes me as the second strongest character currently, so I'd give the W to him.
You also mention that several characters much lower than BM showed a counter for the magma when that's not true. The only ones that did so were two fellow Emperors and a commander who's on par with their level. All others were decimated by Akainu's attacks.
Akainu can make it rain meteors and has several long-range attacks(attacked an airborne Buggy).
Considering that Akainu's consciousness remains bound to any magma he remains connected to, all he would have to do is make sure any magma in the terrain remains streaming off of himself and flowing from himself. Infusing Homies into magma would be impossible, not to mention fruitless because Logias have exhibited remote control over their element on multiple occassions. As shown with Nami controlling Zeus' body against his will, Big Mom putting a Homie into a pile of magma wouldn't do any good because Akainu can wrest control away like Nami's move did.
You also mention that several characters much lower than BM showed a counter for the magma when that's not true. The only ones that did so were two fellow Emperors and a commander who's on par with their level. All others were decimated by Akainu's attacks.
Yeah so what ? She still has immense haki and durability ?
It's not like that punch makes him invincible. A lot of people in Marineford found ways to combat his magma, I bet a yonkou can too.
Besides if she already has a pool with magma with her soul in it she can even use it to absorb the punches.
That's not true at all, Akainu has not shown anything that would suggest he can control magma when it is out of his body even when it's still connected. Besides we have never seen him do that so you have no clue if that would even work. So that is pure speculation.
Give an example where a logia had remote control over their element.
Jimbe and ivankov were able to deal with magma okay and they're not on the yonkou commander level. And who cares anyway if people lower than yonkou commanders are or aren't able to withstand it. She is a yonkou so what you're comparing it with is irrelevant.
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It's a Logia wide ability to remote control their element and have their "essence" in every bit of the element still connected to them. This was explicitly explained in Smoker vs Vergo.
Ace creating a tunnel of fire in the flames created from cannonballs destroying the scaffold he was to be executed on.
Enel creating blasts of lightning out of the air(El Thor)
Caesar removing oxygen from the surrounding air(the most definitive example).
One was overwhelmed and burned multiple times to the point that he needed critical surgery or he would have died, and the other one was this:
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The part about Smoker only applied because Vergo hit him when he was stretched out, but it was still part of him. It has nothing to do with what you claimed earlier. If Smoker fills a room full of smoke, leaves and comes back. There is no proof that he is able to take control over that smoke again. That is just ordinary smoke at that point also for him. Controlling stuff like that is more in the realm of paramecia ability a logia only has control over his body.
None of those examples proof that if an element is already out of the logia that you're still able to control it.
Yeah, it still doesn't matter what the result is of Ivankov and Jimbei. You also cherry picked a panel because there are moments where they deal with the magma effectively. My point for including Ivankov and Jimbei was to show that even fighters of that level were able to deal magma that someone like Big Mom who is out of their realm certainly can deal with it.
But you showing Ivankov gets beaten by Akainu doesn't take away a single bit from the fact that a Big Mom has a lot of tricks up her sleeve to fight Akainu.
So unless you show me a panel of a Logia dipping his/her toe in the element they used to control and using it again. Your argument is all speculation and that means Akainu can't regain control over the magma anymore once Big Mom puts a soul into it.
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The examples I gave are, in fact, proof of this very thing.
Right, because Caesar can remotely control gases existing naturally in the air without his input, but can't control gases he created and put into the air. Ace can control fire something else made, but can control his own flames. Makes sense and adds up perfectly.
Another example: Crocodile controlling sand in the desert he didn't create.
Except Jimbei never effectively dealt with the magma. When he blocked Akainu's magma the first time, he literally had to face the brunt of being injured. Ivankov blocked a magma punch with his make-up, and passed out. Inazuma just got ran over. Handling it effectively would be what WB did, not what these fools did.
Most likely, but nothing that we've seen on-screen fall into this category. Her best feats on panel are all much inferior to things that Akainu can be scaled to being able to match or exceed himself.
What bullshit. Caesar can remotely control gases in the air, Enel can remotely create lightning in clouds, Crocodile can collapse and manipulate sand he didn't create himself, and Ace manipulated flames he didn't create itself, all external from their bodies, and you think that's not proof that they can do the same thing to those materials when made from their bodies? This is arguing for the sake of arguing even when you know you're completely wrong. Just drop it, you know you're grasping at straws now.