Betsy Devos confirmed as Education Secretary.....

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"For deeply devout people like Lanting and DeVos, education plays a key role in that mission. Since her nomination, DeVos hasn't had much to say about her faith—or whether she plans to defend the separation of church and state in public schools. (DeVos declined Mother Jones' request for an interview, but a Trump transition team spokeswoman replied in an email, "Mrs. DeVos believes in the legal doctrine of the separation of church and state.") However, in a 2001 interview for The Gathering, a group focused on advancing Christian faith through philanthropy, she and her husband offered a rare public glimpse of their views. Asked whether Christian schools should continue to rely on giving—rather than pushing for taxpayer money through vouchers—Betsy DeVos replied, "There are not enough philanthropic dollars in America to fund what is currently the need in education...Our desire is to confront the culture in ways that will continue to advance God's kingdom."

Added **** DeVos: "As we look at many communities in our country, the church has been displaced by the public school as the center for activity...It is certainly our hope that more and more churches will get more and more active and engaged in education."

Indeed, critics argue the DeVoses are attempting to expand the definition of "school choice"—typically understood as giving parents the ability to pick any traditional public school or charter school in a district—to allow taxpayer money to follow students to any private school via vouchers. Some critics of school choice argue that charters, which are publicly funded but governed by appointed boards and often run by private companies with varying degrees of state oversight, can skim high-performing students from traditional public schools, leaving them with more high-needs kids and less money. But the push for so-called "universal school choice" could take that a step further by eventually leading to a radical redirection of funds from traditional public schools to private schools, many of which are Christian: Trump's signature education proposal calls for dedicating $20 billion in federal money to help families move away from what he has called our "failing government schools" and instead choose charter, private, or religious schools."
Most times it is private schools that beat out public schools 90% of the time they have higher education standards with better teachers because of better pay
 

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There was no switch the Republican Party has stayed mostly the same in all actuallity its just the Democratic Party that changed

Also i read on the charter schools they are by all means public funded and are by all means public schools they are just not tied in within citys like public schools are

Plus i read on Debbie as well it hasnt stated that she wants to force schools to teach christanity i think you are misinformed on that please do more research into her before judging

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You are mistaken. There was a switch between Republican and Democrats during FDR's presidency. Liberals and Conservatives switched platforms. It's literally undisputed history.










There are more ways to get her agenda through than simply forcing something so bluntly. You should know better. Politics isn't a straight line, but a web of schemes.


Most times it is private schools that beat out public schools 90% of the time they have higher education standards with better teachers because of better pay
Ok? But they also can teach Religion and anti-science. And with Betsy Devos, someone who is a devote Christian in favor of this, it will only be more prevalent. Are you ok with that?

And what happens to those who can't afford private schools? What then?

You were talking about how public schools are grinders. So you honestly think Betsy Devos, given her record and her beliefs, that she would amend this problem?
 
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You are mistaken. There was a switch between Republican and Democrats during FDR's presidency. Liberals and Conservatives switched platforms. It's literally undisputed history.










There are more ways to get her agenda through than simply forcing something so bluntly. You should know better. Politics isn't a straight line, but a web of schemes.




Ok? But they also can teach Religion and anti-science. And with Betsy Devos, someone who is a devote Christian in favor of this, it will only be more prevalent. Are you ok with that?

And what happens to those who can't afford private schools? What then?

You were talking about how public schools are grinders. So you honestly think Betsy Devos, given her record and her beliefs, that she would amend this problem?
Thats where charter schools come in the are basically publically funded schools and if you dont like that particular school you could look for another school for your kids

You seem very fixated on the fact that because about the religious beeing anti science please by all means show me proof i go to church every week never have heard even a quip about hating science theres stuff like the Big Bang theory that the religious are in disagreement about which is understandable because there is very little evidence to support the Big Bang theory does that make a religious person anti science the simple answer is no

Einstein the greatest mind in the history of science is known to have been Jewish so obviously the myth that the religious are hateful toward science is false that is a myth brought up by fanatical athiests to demonize people who go to church the city the pope lives has a science lab for goodness sakes

Honestly there is no way devos can get rid of that misconception this is the sign of an effective smear campain that ruined her reputation and that is a common thing in the political world bernie sanders is no different from the rest of the flock he is part of the status quo and now trump is part of that circle reguardless of if they like him or not
 
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Thats where charter schools come in the are basically publically funded schools and if you dont like that particular school you could look for another school for your kids

You seem very fixated on the fact that because about the religious beeing anti science please by all means show me proof i go to church every week never have heard even a quip about hating science theres stuff like the Big Bang theory that the religious are in disagreement about which is understandable because there is very little evidence to support the Big Bang theory does that make a religious person anti science the simple answer is no

Einstein the greatest mind in the history of science is known to have been Jewish so obviously the myth that the religious are hateful toward science is false that is a myth brought up by fanatical athiests to demonize people who go to church the city the pope lives has a science lab for goodness sakes
I went to a Charter School and it's not a guarantee that you will be accepted. My sister was denied to go the same school I was accepted too.

I asked you that based on your comment of how you stated that public schools are grinders, do you think that Betsy Devos would help fix that problem and the answer you gave me was "charter schools." That's not a good answer.

One church in how many? There are varying degrees of religious fundamentalism. Do you deny that there are fundamentalist Christians who oppose science or individual rights (LGTB) stemming from their beliefs?

So you have absolutely no problem with someone like Betsy Devos being the Secretary of Eduction and having the power to defund public schools? And you're just going to go with the flow and hope for the best, even though all signs point to the opposite?

Is there anyone at all that Trump could nominate that you would criticize or do you hear no evil, see no evil?
 
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One church in how many? There are varying degrees of religious fundamentalism. Do you deny that there are fundamentalist Christians who oppose science or individual rights (LGTB) stemming from their beliefs?

So you have absolutely no problem with someone like Betsy Devos being the Secretary of Eduction and having the power to defund public schools? And you're just going to go with the flow and hope for the best, even though all signs point to the opposite?

Is there anyone at all that Trump could nominate that you would criticize or do you hear no evil, see no evil?
There is worst trump could have picked i am watching with a critcal eye but im not going to foam at the mouth because at the end of the day nothing can stop anyone from living their lives

There are those sects in religious communities that are nut jobs but there are also those in the athest community that act the same way so by that logic all muslims are terrorists related to alqida or isis all whites hate blacks and are pussies

All blacks are thugs and love rap

All Latinos are illegal immigrants

Do you need me to dissect your argument further? Or is that enough

In all honesty trump is no hitler and even so hiter was historically the 2nd worst evil humanity has ever seen if ther was ever a devil it would be Joseph stalin and if ther was a son of the devil i guess hitler would be his bastard son

The only thing trump is guilty of being is a patriot to the point of being overzelus he has more in common with teddy Roosevelt then anyone historically
 

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There is worst trump could have picked i am watching with a critcal eye but im not going to foam at the mouth because at the end of the day nothing can stop anyone from living their lives

Ok, so by your logic, because he could have picked someone worse, it doesn't matter and we should just accept whatever consequences might follow from this ill-equipped candidate with extremist ideals who has the power to impact the future generation and what they are taught?


There are those sects in religious communities that are nut jobs but there are also those in the athest community that act the same way so by that logic all muslims are terrorists related to alqida or isis all whites hate blacks and are pussies

All blacks are thugs and love rap

All Latinos are illegal immigrants

Do you need me to dissect your argument further? Or is that enough
The problem with your argument is that religious Christian fundamentalism is felt throughout the political system, which makes a real problem.

In all honesty trump is no hitler and even so hiter was historically the 2nd worst evil humanity has ever seen if ther was ever a devil it would be Joseph stalin and if ther was a son of the devil i guess hitler would be his bastard son
You're arguing a negative with a negative. This is the only argument you're presenting me with against Trump and Betsy Devos. You're saying that because A is not as bad as B, then that makes it ok even though A is still really really bad.

The only thing trump is guilty of being is a patriot to the point of being overzelus he has more in common with teddy Roosevelt then anyone historically
WTF? WOOOOW. I'm sorry, but this my new quote now.

It's just ridiculous to the point that I have nothing to say to this.
 

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Ok, so by your logic, because he could have picked someone worse, it doesn't matter and we should just accept whatever consequences might follow from this ill-equipped candidate with extremist ideals who has the power to impact the future generation and what they are taught?




The problem with your argument is that religious Christian fundamentalism is felt throughout the political system, which makes a real problem.



You're arguing a negative with a negative. This is the only argument you're presenting me with against Trump and Betsy Devos. You're saying that because A is not as bad as B, then that makes it ok even though A is still really really bad.



WTF? WOOOOW. I'm sorry, but this my new quote now.

It's just ridiculous to the point that I have nothing to say to this.
I have done my homework on the choices and im fine with most the rest i couldnt care less about
Trump could have picked worst indeed he could have picked david duke and in all honesty the Democratic Party hasnt given trump a reason to listen to them they have been openly hostle since he got in

Ok on to my next point that is fact based stalin was a worst human being then any he caused famines to the peasant communities he had any desenter sent to forced labor camps he had troops shoot anyone from the red army that retreated

And your sig i could care less if you made it as your sig if you think it humilates me the go right ahead i hope it makes you feel like a special child im not oblivious to your intentions im a stonch neutral and i have been more then respectful toward you

Heres my evidence on stalin and hitler
 
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I have done my homework on the choices and im fine with most the rest i couldnt care less about
Trump could have picked worst indeed he could have picked david duke and in all honesty the Democratic Party hasnt given trump a reason to listen to them they have been openly hostle since he got in

Ok on to my next point that is fact based stalin was a worst human being then any he caused famines to the peasant communities he had any desenter sent to forced labor camps he had troops shoot anyone from the red army that retreated

And your sig i could care less if you made it as your sig if you think it humilates me the go right ahead i hope it makes you feel like a special child im not oblivious to your intentions im a stonch neutral and i have been more then respectful toward you

Heres my evidence on stalin and hitler
But you clearly haven't done your homework as you didn't even know what Betsy Devos stood for.

Trump picked Jeff Sessions as Attorney General, someone who was considered too racist even for the Reagan era. Martin Luther King Jr.'s wife even sent a 9 page letter to congress about how horrible of a person he was. So is that not extreme enough for you either?


I have no idea what Hitler and Stalin have anything to do with this conversation? You brought them up out of the blue.


Being "neutral" doesn't exempt you from being ignorant. And the reason why I am aggressive toward you is because I am tired of people being ignorant as no matter how many facts I can provide or how good of an argument I can present, you'll still live in your bubble.

You talk about politics as if it's just a simple black and white matter and that there are no nuances to the way people approach their own ideals and agendas; that if it's not straightforward, then it must not be so.

And until you start thinking critically, and I mean critically, then that's not going to change.

And that right there is telling it like it is.
 
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There was no switch the Republican Party has stayed mostly the same in all actuallity its just the Democratic Party that changed

Also i read on the charter schools they are by all means public funded and are by all means public schools they are just not tied in within citys like public schools are

Plus i read on Debbie as well it hasnt stated that she wants to force schools to teach christanity i think you are misinformed on that please do more research into her before judging

And if you are concerned then i would say join advocacy groups on better power systems nuclear power and solar are cleaner energy the first being sustainable the other renewable energy
Don't talk politics if u don't know how liberals and conservatives were once in different parties. Political realignment happens and republicans and democrats are merely just labels nothing else.

Debbie is historically incompetent for this job and gave the republicans over 200 million over the course of decades and thus she is in the position she is. Both parties are corrupt but republicans just take it to the next level, every cabinet pick has a conflict of interest.


Trump isn't going to help u man sorry to tell you the truth, unless ur by chance a millionaire
 
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The word for the day is Kakistocracy :sdo3:
In indo-malay language word "Kaki" represent this,

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Yeah I see it fit the description of word "Kakistocracy". The government that think using their foot and not their brain. Least qualified :lol
 
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Don't talk politics if u don't know how liberals and conservatives were once in different parties. Political realignment happens and republicans and democrats are merely just labels nothing else.

Debbie is historically incompetent for this job and gave the republicans over 200 million over the course of decades and thus she is in the position she is. Both parties are corrupt but republicans just take it to the next level, every cabinet pick has a conflict of interest.


Trump isn't going to help u man sorry to tell you the truth, unless ur by chance a millionaire
I honestly couldnt give a flying f who is in i didnt vote ether liberal or conservative both sides could die for all i care non have given me any reason to support ether but give me more reasons to hate them
 

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But you clearly haven't done your homework as you didn't even know what Betsy Devos stood for.

Trump picked Jeff Sessions as Attorney General, someone who was considered too racist even for the Reagan era. Martin Luther King Jr.'s wife even sent a 9 page letter to congress about how horrible of a person he was. So is that not extreme enough for you either?


I have no idea what Hitler and Stalin have anything to do with this conversation? You brought them up out of the blue.


Being "neutral" doesn't exempt you from being ignorant. And the reason why I am aggressive toward you is because I am tired of people being ignorant as no matter how many facts I can provide or how good of an argument I can present, you'll still live in your bubble.

You talk about politics as if it's just a simple black and white matter and that there are no nuances to the way people approach their own ideals and agendas; that if it's not straightforward, then it must not be so.

And until you start thinking critically, and I mean critically, then that's not going to change.

And that right there is telling it like it is.
I assumed that that would be brought up and wanted to debunk it because in all honesty that is all i ever hear about trump from the left is that he is hitler so i will take that bump in the head their
Now on to other matters

I never mentioned Jeff sessions cant give my opinion on him other then the fact is well he better not screw up or he will be hung on the tallest skyscraper till his corpse is too rotten to use as a flag

I am thinking quite critically because im not being hostage or cynicle about it dont mean i have my skeptisim about devos but i will keep an open mind

Its fine to be critical but do keep a level head where do you get your sources because im going to further study into this devos preferably with a more neutral web site the leans neither right or left my inital search was Wikipedia where some of wher you said she wanted to force
Christanity into schools was debunked and force an anti science stance was also debunked because it mentions neither so im going to go into further studies of her
 
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