[Question] Best Straw Hat?

[Memento Mori]

Now this is getting interesting!.For what this thread was created and what this is becoming XD.
None I prefer.The one in my sig U_U

OT - Roro

 

[Zorø]

l0l "Zoro is second in command" xD Let's not start a second in command/first-mate discussion here.

But he is second command even if its unofficial Zoro is definitely second in command even a blind man can see that.

 

[Sweet Pudding]

l0l "Zoro is second in command" xD Let's not start a second in command/first-mate discussion here.

But he is second in command...

 

[Punk Hazard]

How is Brook more useful than Zoro? O_O

Lol trust me XD @RikerSlade go home youre drunk Zoro is second in command the one who keeps the crew in check!!

Without Usopp they wouldn't have had the boat necessary to meet Chopper or Franky or Sanji.

Franky can be replaced by a ship yard on any/every island they stop at as far as usefulness, Chopper can be replaced by medicine(and the oranges Nami's growin to prevent Scurvy lol) Sanji can be replaced by a refrigerator. Usopp was the only one able to shoot down the WG flag, Usopp was the one who was able to get them a boat, Usopp was the only one who thaught to bring back dials from skypiea.

I'm gonna reply to all of these in one joint post.

First, let's look at what Chopstick said about Usopp. Usopp's contributions, according to him, were:

1. Getting the dials
2. Shooting the flag
3. Doing a shit-poor job of fixing the Merry

Now, according to you, Chopstick, these are the most important, most essential, most significant contributions anyone has made to the crew. Well, let's take out Chopper, Nami, Franky, and Sanji out of the crew for a scenario. The lack of these four people will cause:

1. The Sunny to get lost, and caught up in storms and dangerous parts of the sea due to lack of Nami. This means the Sunny will be damaged. We've already seen how Usopp handles fixing a ship, he does a job that's barely above mediocre. Not only that, but they can end up in stretches of ocean for thousands of miles, with no discernable land around them. Without Nami, they can't look at currents of the ocean and air to tell if another dangerous storm is coming, or if the sea's status is gonna become dangerous. Any danger from the sea will be a complete surprise, they'll have no preparations for it whatsoever. This damages the ship even more, damages that Usopp can't repair. The result? Sunken ship, dead crew. Nami and Franky prevent this, Usopp cannot.

2. Being desolated in the above scenario will cause an eventual lack of food. Usopp isn't a chef, he can't cook food well. Either he makes the food in disproportionate amounts which causes the food to run out faster than it should, or he runs out of cooked food and is left with uneatable raws, or he does a bad job at cooking the raw food. This can cause illnesses among the crew-members. With the massive amounts of food they eat, they'd get a massive dose of food-poisoning. What would prevent this? Some medical help. Which Usopp can't provide. Chopper is gone. Sure, he can administer medicine. Except Usopp wouldn't have a clue what medicines to use, what dosages are correct, when to give it, where to administer it, what signs to look for, etc. What if a Strawhat gets shot or critically injured. Is Usopp gonna clean the wound, close it up, stop the bleeding, perform a blood transfusion, properly bandage and wrap it, and know how long they need to rest by throwing a dial at the wound, or shooting a flag, or doing a shit job at fixing the boat? Is Usopp gonna keep them from starving to death or dying from extreme food poisoning, or prevent malnutrition by shooting the raw food with dials, or setting it on fire completely, or hammering nails into it? Usopp has stated he's never been sick, this plus the fact that he had no idea what to do when Nami got sick means if someone gets an infection or sickness, Usopp isn't gonna know how to stop it from killing them, and spreading to the rest of the crew and killing them as well. Chopper can.

Remove Franky, Sanji, Chopper or Nami, and the crew's chances of dying go up exponentially. The danger present from their absence becomes the top priority. Remove Usopp, and the most dangerous thing that happens is they become sad. You can just find another navigator? You can just find another cook? You can just find another doctor? You can just find another shipwright? Yeah, you can also just find another sniper, except the difference is finding a new sniper isn't as important and isn't as prioritized as finding the other four. When they needed a new ship and a better shipwright, the adventure went on pause. Same would happen without a cook, doctor or navigator. If they needed a new sniper, they could just keep sailing.

This is not to say Usopp never did anything extremely valuable, that wouldn't be true. He gave Luffy the motivation he needed to continue fighting Lucci, he stopped Sugar who was most definitely about to put down Law and Luffy. But these are one-time occurrences. The value Sanji, Chopper, Nami and Franky bring to the crew are on a day-to-day basis. Usopp maybe does something essential to their survival once every three adventures when it comes to outside of battle. Those four do something essential to their survival every single day on a consistent basis. This brings me to Zoro. He's the same. Outside of battle, Zoro does nothing but sleep, train and yell every now and again. Sure, Zoro yelled some sense into Luffy twice, once at Water 7 and once at Punk Hazard. Like Usopp, this doesn't compare to what Chopper, Sanji, Franky and Nami do on a daily basis. Some flashy moments once every three arcs isn't valuable. Let's put Zoro in charge instead of Usopp in the above scenario. Is Zoro gonna yell, sleep, cut and exercise his way into getting the ship out of a hurricane, back on the right course, to land, and to food? Is yelling about how the ship needs to get its shit together gonna repair the damages? Is Zoro gonna cut the infection, disease, illness, poisoning or wound out of someone's body? Unless he eats the Ope Ope no Mi, it ain't happening.

What would you rather have:

1. Parents who just sleep and exercise all day every day. Who rarely speak to each other and the family unless they're being rude or yelling

or

2. Parents who provide food, medical care, and a functioning home and keeps you out of danger?

And Zoro is not the second in command. Not only has this never been established outside of the fanbase, but Nami has given orders to the crew far more times than Zoro has. Nami gives the crew orders every day when it comes to their navigation. How many scans can you show of Zoro giving the crew an order and then they obey it like he's a leader? I'll wait.

The reason I put Brook over Zoro in terms of usefulness to the ship is because Brook actually fulfills a role on the ship, while Zoro just sleeps, exercises, yells at or ignores everyone

 

[NarutoBmx33]

@Riker Slade

Do you think the second in command is given the title based off being the next strongest person in the crew or being the most useful in the crew(most knowledge, experience, leadership qualities)?

Or both?

 

[Punk Hazard]

@Riker Slade

Do you think the second in command is given the title based off being the next strongest person in the crew or being the most useful in the crew(most knowledge, experience, leadership qualities)?

Or both?

The second is command is whoever has authority over everyone in the crew with the exception of the captain. The Strawhat Pirates have no such hierarchy, nor is Luffy the type of person to establish a hierarchy in his crew aside from the current one:

1. Captain
2. Everyone else

Luffy has equal value in all of his friends. Oda has also made this clear a long time ago in Enies Lobby through Sanji's statement: What you can't do, I will do. What I can't do, you will do. The Strawhats are one, they are the Strawhats. No one is below the other in rank, a second in command would contradict that, and one of the key things the Strawhats stand for.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

The second is command is whoever has authority over everyone in the crew with the exception of the captain. The Strawhat Pirates have no such hierarchy, nor is Luffy the type of person to establish a hierarchy in his crew aside from the current one:

1. Captain
2. Everyone else

Luffy has equal value in all of his friends. Oda has also made this clear a long time ago in Enies Lobby through Sanji's statement: What you can't do, I will do. What I can't do, you will do. The Strawhats are one, they are the Strawhats. No one is below the other in rank, a second in command would contradict that, and one of the key things the Strawhats stand for.

True. Even though I wanna say Zoro is second in command, I agree that the StrawHats dont have that kind of a system. There's a captain and everyone elae. Good points btw.

 

[Azu]

I'm gonna reply to all of these in one joint post.

First, let's look at what Chopstick said about Usopp. Usopp's contributions, according to him, were:

1. Getting the dials
2. Shooting the flag
3. Doing a shit-poor job of fixing the Merry

Now, according to you, Chopstick, these are the most important, most essential, most significant contributions anyone has made to the crew. Well, let's take out Chopper, Nami, Franky, and Sanji out of the crew for a scenario. The lack of these four people will cause:

1. The Sunny to get lost, and caught up in storms and dangerous parts of the sea due to lack of Nami. This means the Sunny will be damaged. We've already seen how Usopp handles fixing a ship, he does a job that's barely above mediocre. Not only that, but they can end up in stretches of ocean for thousands of miles, with no discernable land around them. Without Nami, they can't look at currents of the ocean and air to tell if another dangerous storm is coming, or if the sea's status is gonna become dangerous. Any danger from the sea will be a complete surprise, they'll have no preparations for it whatsoever. This damages the ship even more, damages that Usopp can't repair. The result? Sunken ship, dead crew. Nami and Franky prevent this, Usopp cannot.

2. Being desolated in the above scenario will cause an eventual lack of food. Usopp isn't a chef, he can't cook food well. Either he makes the food in disproportionate amounts which causes the food to run out faster than it should, or he runs out of cooked food and is left with uneatable raws, or he does a bad job at cooking the raw food. This can cause illnesses among the crew-members. With the massive amounts of food they eat, they'd get a massive dose of food-poisoning. What would prevent this? Some medical help. Which Usopp can't provide. Chopper is gone. Sure, he can administer medicine. Except Usopp wouldn't have a clue what medicines to use, what dosages are correct, when to give it, where to administer it, what signs to look for, etc. What if a Strawhat gets shot or critically injured. Is Usopp gonna clean the wound, close it up, stop the bleeding, perform a blood transfusion, properly bandage and wrap it, and know how long they need to rest by throwing a dial at the wound, or shooting a flag, or doing a shit job at fixing the boat? Is Usopp gonna keep them from starving to death or dying from extreme food poisoning, or prevent malnutrition by shooting the raw food with dials, or setting it on fire completely, or hammering nails into it? Usopp has stated he's never been sick, this plus the fact that he had no idea what to do when Nami got sick means if someone gets an infection or sickness, Usopp isn't gonna know how to stop it from killing them, and spreading to the rest of the crew and killing them as well. Chopper can.

Remove Franky, Sanji, Chopper or Nami, and the crew's chances of dying go up exponentially. The danger present from their absence becomes the top priority. Remove Usopp, and the most dangerous thing that happens is they become sad. You can just find another navigator? You can just find another cook? You can just find another doctor? You can just find another shipwright? Yeah, you can also just find another sniper, except the difference is finding a new sniper isn't as important and isn't as prioritized as finding the other four. When they needed a new ship and a better shipwright, the adventure went on pause. Same would happen without a cook, doctor or navigator. If they needed a new sniper, they could just keep sailing.

This is not to say Usopp never did anything extremely valuable, that wouldn't be true. He gave Luffy the motivation he needed to continue fighting Lucci, he stopped Sugar who was most definitely about to put down Law and Luffy. But these are one-time occurrences. The value Sanji, Chopper, Nami and Franky bring to the crew are on a day-to-day basis. Usopp maybe does something essential to their survival once every three adventures when it comes to outside of battle. Those four do something essential to their survival every single day on a consistent basis. This brings me to Zoro. He's the same. Outside of battle, Zoro does nothing but sleep, train and yell every now and again. Sure, Zoro yelled some sense into Luffy twice, once at Water 7 and once at Punk Hazard. Like Usopp, this doesn't compare to what Chopper, Sanji, Franky and Nami do on a daily basis. Some flashy moments once every three arcs isn't valuable. Let's put Zoro in charge instead of Usopp in the above scenario. Is Zoro gonna yell, sleep, cut and exercise his way into getting the ship out of a hurricane, back on the right course, to land, and to food? Is yelling about how the ship needs to get its shit together gonna repair the damages? Is Zoro gonna cut the infection, disease, illness, poisoning or wound out of someone's body? Unless he eats the Ope Ope no Mi, it ain't happening.

What would you rather have:

1. Parents who just sleep and exercise all day every day. Who rarely speak to each other and the family unless they're being rude or yelling

or

2. Parents who provide food, medical care, and a functioning home and keeps you out of danger?

And Zoro is not the second in command. Not only has this never been established outside of the fanbase, but Nami has given orders to the crew far more times than Zoro has. Nami gives the crew orders every day when it comes to their navigation. How many scans can you show of Zoro giving the crew an order and then they obey it like he's a leader? I'll wait.

The reason I put Brook over Zoro in terms of usefulness to the ship is because Brook actually fulfills a role on the ship, while Zoro just sleeps, exercises, yells at or ignores everyone

In terms of usefulness to ship Brook and Zoro are the same.

Brook fulfills the role? What role?
Like Brook goes around drinking milk with 'May I see your panties?' line all the time?

 

[Punk Hazard]

In terms of usefulness to ship Brook and Zoro are the same.

Brook fulfills the role? What role?
Like Brook goes around drinking milk with 'May I see your panties?' line all the time?

Nope. Brook fulfills the role of musician/entertainer. What Zoro does is no role, he doesn't really do anything for the crew outside of battle. Remember what Luffy said to the crew at the Rip-Off Shack? ¨I don't want to go on a boring adventure!¨ Sailing on a boat can cause you to end up on a course that's days and days, hundreds upon hundreds of miles of just open sea with nothing to do. Brook becomes useful at this point. There really isn't anything Zoro is useful for outside of battle on a regular basis.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm gonna reply to all of these in one joint post.

First, let's look at what Chopstick said about Usopp. Usopp's contributions, according to him, were:

1. Getting the dials
2. Shooting the flag
3. Doing a shit-poor job of fixing the Merry

Now, according to you, Chopstick, these are the most important, most essential, most significant contributions anyone has made to the crew. Well, let's take out Chopper, Nami, Franky, and Sanji out of the crew for a scenario. The lack of these four people will cause:

1. The Sunny to get lost, and caught up in storms and dangerous parts of the sea due to lack of Nami. This means the Sunny will be damaged. We've already seen how Usopp handles fixing a ship, he does a job that's barely above mediocre. Not only that, but they can end up in stretches of ocean for thousands of miles, with no discernable land around them. Without Nami, they can't look at currents of the ocean and air to tell if another dangerous storm is coming, or if the sea's status is gonna become dangerous. Any danger from the sea will be a complete surprise, they'll have no preparations for it whatsoever. This damages the ship even more, damages that Usopp can't repair. The result? Sunken ship, dead crew. Nami and Franky prevent this, Usopp cannot.

2. Being desolated in the above scenario will cause an eventual lack of food. Usopp isn't a chef, he can't cook food well. Either he makes the food in disproportionate amounts which causes the food to run out faster than it should, or he runs out of cooked food and is left with uneatable raws, or he does a bad job at cooking the raw food. This can cause illnesses among the crew-members. With the massive amounts of food they eat, they'd get a massive dose of food-poisoning. What would prevent this? Some medical help. Which Usopp can't provide. Chopper is gone. Sure, he can administer medicine. Except Usopp wouldn't have a clue what medicines to use, what dosages are correct, when to give it, where to administer it, what signs to look for, etc. What if a Strawhat gets shot or critically injured. Is Usopp gonna clean the wound, close it up, stop the bleeding, perform a blood transfusion, properly bandage and wrap it, and know how long they need to rest by throwing a dial at the wound, or shooting a flag, or doing a shit job at fixing the boat? Is Usopp gonna keep them from starving to death or dying from extreme food poisoning, or prevent malnutrition by shooting the raw food with dials, or setting it on fire completely, or hammering nails into it? Usopp has stated he's never been sick, this plus the fact that he had no idea what to do when Nami got sick means if someone gets an infection or sickness, Usopp isn't gonna know how to stop it from killing them, and spreading to the rest of the crew and killing them as well. Chopper can.

Remove Franky, Sanji, Chopper or Nami, and the crew's chances of dying go up exponentially. The danger present from their absence becomes the top priority. Remove Usopp, and the most dangerous thing that happens is they become sad. You can just find another navigator? You can just find another cook? You can just find another doctor? You can just find another shipwright? Yeah, you can also just find another sniper, except the difference is finding a new sniper isn't as important and isn't as prioritized as finding the other four. When they needed a new ship and a better shipwright, the adventure went on pause. Same would happen without a cook, doctor or navigator. If they needed a new sniper, they could just keep sailing.

This is not to say Usopp never did anything extremely valuable, that wouldn't be true. He gave Luffy the motivation he needed to continue fighting Lucci, he stopped Sugar who was most definitely about to put down Law and Luffy. But these are one-time occurrences. The value Sanji, Chopper, Nami and Franky bring to the crew are on a day-to-day basis. Usopp maybe does something essential to their survival once every three adventures when it comes to outside of battle. Those four do something essential to their survival every single day on a consistent basis. This brings me to Zoro. He's the same. Outside of battle, Zoro does nothing but sleep, train and yell every now and again. Sure, Zoro yelled some sense into Luffy twice, once at Water 7 and once at Punk Hazard. Like Usopp, this doesn't compare to what Chopper, Sanji, Franky and Nami do on a daily basis. Some flashy moments once every three arcs isn't valuable. Let's put Zoro in charge instead of Usopp in the above scenario. Is Zoro gonna yell, sleep, cut and exercise his way into getting the ship out of a hurricane, back on the right course, to land, and to food? Is yelling about how the ship needs to get its shit together gonna repair the damages? Is Zoro gonna cut the infection, disease, illness, poisoning or wound out of someone's body? Unless he eats the Ope Ope no Mi, it ain't happening.

What would you rather have:

1. Parents who just sleep and exercise all day every day. Who rarely speak to each other and the family unless they're being rude or yelling

or

2. Parents who provide food, medical care, and a functioning home and keeps you out of danger?

And Zoro is not the second in command. Not only has this never been established outside of the fanbase, but Nami has given orders to the crew far more times than Zoro has. Nami gives the crew orders every day when it comes to their navigation. How many scans can you show of Zoro giving the crew an order and then they obey it like he's a leader? I'll wait.

The reason I put Brook over Zoro in terms of usefulness to the ship is because Brook actually fulfills a role on the ship, while Zoro just sleeps, exercises, yells at or ignores everyone

You're talking about future contributions, future repairs of the Sunny(which won't need many being made from Adam) and guiding it through fututre storms and what if diseases. Usopp did those things already which is why he has been more useful than the others. The positions they hold are more important than sniper but Usopp has proved himself to be a more useful crew mate, providing moral support for the crew, providing weaponry for nami, providing support in fights with fishmen and Enel, sure they all have contributed but Usopp has contributed more if not the most.

To Bmx33's point, no it wouldn't stop Luffy from being a pirate, I never said it would let's try to avoid hyperboles. But, if Luffy didn't get the boat from Usopp's friend then he wouldn't have left at the time he did(obviously) which means he would have gotten everywhere later, which means baratie may have gotten destroyed, Wapol may have destroyed Drum Island etc. and his crew wouldn't have grown as it did. If he got a boat later it wouldn't have needed repair by Water 7 or at the time CP9 was there. etc etc and so forth.

Back to Riker's, your own argument about 2nd mate falls apart on itself. You say Zoro is less useful than the ship musician but say he's the 2nd mate. The 2nd mate is a very important position, how could Zoro be less useful as the 2nd mate than the ship musician? Not to mention the 2nd mate is the person who takes control of the ship when the captain is unable, Luffy already said Usopp could have that right if something happened plus Usopp stood up for the ship when he believed the captain wasn't doing all he could for it just like a 2nd mate would(granted he was in the wrong but he still acted as a 2nd mate)

 

[Azu]

Nope. Brook fulfills the role of musician/entertainer. What Zoro does is no role, he doesn't really do anything for the crew outside of battle. Remember what Luffy said to the crew at the Rip-Off Shack? ¨I don't want to go on a boring adventure!¨ Sailing on a boat can cause you to end up on a course that's days and days, hundreds upon hundreds of miles of just open sea with nothing to do. Brook becomes useful at this point. There really isn't anything Zoro is useful for outside of battle on a regular basis.

Ok,get that.

Brook is a musician, and he is fulfilling that role and in that way contribute to crew in general.

But then Zoro is a swordsman and hi is fulfilling that role through battles, so that is how he contributes to crew, right?

 

[Punk Hazard]

You're talking about future contributions, future repairs of the Sunny(which won't need many being made from Adam) and guiding it through fututre storms and what if diseases. Usopp did those things already which is why he has been more useful than the others. The positions they hold are more important than sniper but Usopp has proved himself to be a more useful crew mate, providing moral support for the crew, providing weaponry for nami, providing support in fights with fishmen and Enel, sure they all have contributed but Usopp has contributed more if not the most.

To Bmx33's point, no it wouldn't stop Luffy from being a pirate, I never said it would let's try to avoid hyperboles. But, if Luffy didn't get the boat from Usopp's friend then he wouldn't have left at the time he did(obviously) which means he would have gotten everywhere later, which means baratie may have gotten destroyed, Wapol may have destroyed Drum Island etc. and his crew wouldn't have grown as it did. If he got a boat later it wouldn't have needed repair by Water 7 or at the time CP9 was there. etc etc and so forth.

Back to Riker's, your own argument about 2nd mate falls apart on itself. You say Zoro is less useful than the ship musician but say he's the 2nd mate. The 2nd mate is a very important position, how could Zoro be less useful as the 2nd mate than the ship musician? Not to mention the 2nd mate is the person who takes control of the ship when the captain is unable, Luffy already said Usopp could have that right if something happened plus Usopp stood up for the ship when he believed the captain wasn't doing all he could for it just like a 2nd mate would(granted he was in the wrong but he still acted as a 2nd mate)

Stopped reading and taking seriously at the bold, skimmed the rest. That's exactly how you determine the value of something. You think ¨If this happened, what would this be.¨ The fact is, you remove Nami, they get lost and die. You remove Chopper, they get sick and die. You remove Franky, they wouldn't know completely how the Sunny works, and it's not indestructible(if it was, they wouldn't need to care about Big Mom firing at them and Franky commented at one point that something could destroy the ship if it connected, I think it was a current or something), you remove Sanji, they starve to death, or food poison themselves to death. You remove Usopp, they don't have a sniper. Big whoop. The value of a crewmate is determined by what happens if they were removed from the crew, and Usopp isn't up to tee. The fact of the matter is, you take out any one of those four, the crew dies. You take out Usopp, they get sad.

Islands get destroyed, attacked and enslaved all the time. Is it Luffy's duty to save them all? No. If he didn't save those, they'd just be among the hundreds of other places that Luffy hasn't saved, like Ohara or Flevance. He'd just have saved different places. Luffy doesn't care if islands get destroyed or not unless he has a relationship or bond with someone there. If he had never been to the Baratie, and he hears about it being destroyed, he wouldn't care.

I never said Zoro was the 2nd mate. I adamantly believe that there will never be a second mate on the ship because Luffy is not the type to permanently rank one nakama over the other, only temporarily give one authority depending on the situation, or give them a section/part of the ship where they have the say. Best example, Nami giving the crew orders when it comes time to navigate, or Sanji telling Luffy and Usopp what to do when it comes to dinner and the food. Zoro doesn't do anything for the crew really on a consistent basis. Zoro is basically the kid who doesn't do homework or classwork in the class, but scrapes by on a few quizzes.

Edit: If you do wanna talk about what was done, let's look at what was done:

Usopp
-Set a flag on fire
-Got the dials
-Did a mediocre job of keeping the Merry afloat

Sanji
-Prevented them from starving to death every day
-Prevented them from eating contaminated food
-Closed the gates of Enies Lobby, saving their lives
-Damaged Enel's ship, distracting him
-Got G-5 on their side, which helped them escape

Franky
-Provided the with a boat that allowed them to escape Water 7 and maintains it every day

Nami
-Is the reason they have survived every storm/dangerous waters they've encountered and not gotten desolated/shipwrecked

Chopper
-Maintained their health
-Patched them up after every battle, stopping wounds from becoming worse or infected
-Did the transfusion that saved Luffy's life

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ok,get that.

Brook is a musician, and he is fulfilling that role and in that way contribute to crew in general.

But then Zoro is a swordsman and his is fulfilling that role through battles, so that is how he contributes to crew, right?

Yes, but everyone else also contributes to the crew in battle. Zoro doesn't fulfill a specific role only he can do like the others. Don't get me wrong, Brook's contribution to the crew in general isn't THAT much greater, if he's a 50, Zoro's a 48.

 

[Azu]

Yes, but everyone else also contributes to the crew in battle. Zoro doesn't fulfill a specific role only he can do like the others. Don't get me wrong, Brook's contribution to the crew in general isn't THAT much greater, if he's a 50, Zoro's a 48.

They do, I don't say opposite.
But tell me who are Zoro's opponents in fights?
Do you think that other person from the crew could beat some of his opponents in fight?

Captain is there to keep crew together, navigator to navigate, cook to make food, doctor to heal etc.
And swordsmen is there to fights hardest fights for his crew...
So if you had to choose between Brook or Zoro to have in your crew would you choose someone who will sing for you or someone who can fight for you?

 

[Punk Hazard]

They do, I don't say opposite.
But tell me who are Zoro's opponents in fights?
Do you think that other person from the crew could beat some of his opponents in fight?

Captain is there to keep crew together, navigator to navigate, cook to make food, doctor to heal etc.
And swordsmen is there to fights hardest fights for his crew...
So if you had to choose between Brook or Zoro to have in your crew would you choose someone who will sing for you or someone who can fight for you?

You still don't understand me. Zoro pulls his own in fights, all of them do. Everyone does what they can do in fights, and something else in general. Everyone, but Zoro.

 

[Azu]

You still don't understand me. Zoro pulls his own in fights, all of them do. Everyone does what they can do in fights, and something else in general. Everyone, but Zoro.

I do understand what are u saying but u don't listen what am saying.

So I surender.

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[Punk Hazard]

I do understand what are u saying but u don't listen what am saying.

So I surender.

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Actually I thought about it, and I retract what I said about Brook being above Zoro, Zoro is a much greater asset to the Strawhat crew. Looking back, I honestly don't know why I said the opposite.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Stopped reading and taking seriously at the bold, skimmed the rest. That's exactly how you determine the value of something. You think ¨If this happened, what would this be.¨ The fact is, you remove Nami, they get lost and die. You remove Chopper, they get sick and die. You remove Franky, they wouldn't know completely how the Sunny works, and it's not indestructible(if it was, they wouldn't need to care about Big Mom firing at them and Franky commented at one point that something could destroy the ship if it connected, I think it was a current or something), you remove Sanji, they starve to death, or food poison themselves to death. You remove Usopp, they don't have a sniper. Big whoop. The value of a crewmate is determined by what happens if they were removed from the crew, and Usopp isn't up to tee. The fact of the matter is, you take out any one of those four, the crew dies. You take out Usopp, they get sad.

Islands get destroyed, attacked and enslaved all the time. Is it Luffy's duty to save them all? No. If he didn't save those, they'd just be among the hundreds of other places that Luffy hasn't saved, like Ohara or Flevance. He'd just have saved different places. Luffy doesn't care if islands get destroyed or not unless he has a relationship or bond with someone there. If he had never been to the Baratie, and he hears about it being destroyed, he wouldn't care.

I never said Zoro was the 2nd mate. I adamantly believe that there will never be a second mate on the ship because Luffy is not the type to permanently rank one nakama over the other, only temporarily give one authority depending on the situation, or give them a section/part of the ship where they have the say. Best example, Nami giving the crew orders when it comes time to navigate, or Sanji telling Luffy and Usopp what to do when it comes to dinner and the food. Zoro doesn't do anything for the crew really on a consistent basis. Zoro is basically the kid who doesn't do homework or classwork in the class, but scrapes by on a few quizzes.

Edit: If you do wanna talk about what was done, let's look at what was done:

Usopp
-Set a flag on fire
-Got the dials
-Did a mediocre job of keeping the Merry afloat

Sanji
-Prevented them from starving to death every day
-Prevented them from eating contaminated food
-Closed the gates of Enies Lobby, saving their lives
-Damaged Enel's ship, distracting him
-Got G-5 on their side, which helped them escape

Franky
-Provided the with a boat that allowed them to escape Water 7 and maintains it every day

Nami
-Is the reason they have survived every storm/dangerous waters they've encountered and not gotten desolated/shipwrecked

Chopper
-Maintained their health
-Patched them up after every battle, stopping wounds from becoming worse or infected
-Did the transfusion that saved Luffy's life

"Islands get destroyed, attacked and enslaved all the time. Is it Luffy's duty to save them all? No. If he didn't save those, they'd just be among the hundreds of other places that Luffy hasn't saved, like Ohara or Flevance. He'd just have saved different places. Luffy doesn't care if islands get destroyed or not unless he has a relationship or bond with someone there. If he had never been to the Baratie, and he hears about it being destroyed, he wouldn't care."

I never said he cared about islands being destroyed, way to try and minimalize a counter point by ignoring it completely. I said without Usopp getting them their boat at the moment he did they would have arrived late everywhere, thus not gaining the nakama they did who are the ones you claim more useful, yet without Usopp they wouldn't be there to begin with. Case and point, if Luffy didn't get his boat from Usopp and instead had to wait(let's say the most reasonable short period, 1 week) if Luffy waited 1 week before sailing out, he'd have arrived at Alabasta late, the king would have been found guilty of treason, Robin wouldn't have defected. If they set out even a few days after when they did in the manga Wapol would have destroyed Drum Island with no one to stand up to him and Chopper would be lost. If they were a day late at Baratie those pirates would have destroyed the ship, Sanji was the only great fighter left there and Gin was giving him a challenge. The point is if Luffy had to wait even one day for a different ship he wouldn't have had the nakama he has now, so if they're as useful as you act, then the person who made their joining possible should be even more so.

Also, you are talking mostly about position usefulness. I've already said a doctor or a cook or navigator is a more useful position than a sniper but as a character that drives the plot and as a crew member Usopp has been more useful than Nami and Chopper and Robin, about = to Sanji and Franky and less than Luffy and Zoro.

"they wouldn't know completely how the Sunny works, and it's not indestructible" I never said it was I said it would need a lot less repair work than Merry which is a fact from the manga, it's made of one of the most durable woods in the OP world. You have a bad habit of answering a question through your own interpretation of the question which rarely addresses the original point.

" That's exactly how you determine the value of something"
We're not talking about the value we're talking about the usefulness, usefulness is measured in outputs, what have they done, value is measured in as you said what will they do. Nami and Chopper have more value than Usopp because of the roles they play, however Usopp has done more for the crew and the progression of the story making him more useful. You can disagree with the semantics all you want, even your own list has Usopp only behind Sanji.

 

[Punk Hazard]

"Islands get destroyed, attacked and enslaved all the time. Is it Luffy's duty to save them all? No. If he didn't save those, they'd just be among the hundreds of other places that Luffy hasn't saved, like Ohara or Flevance. He'd just have saved different places. Luffy doesn't care if islands get destroyed or not unless he has a relationship or bond with someone there. If he had never been to the Baratie, and he hears about it being destroyed, he wouldn't care."

I never said he cared about islands being destroyed, way to try and minimalize a counter point by ignoring it completely. I said without Usopp getting them their boat at the moment he did they would have arrived late everywhere, thus not gaining the nakama they did who are the ones you claim more useful, yet without Usopp they wouldn't be there to begin with. Case and point, if Luffy didn't get his boat from Usopp and instead had to wait(let's say the most reasonable short period, 1 week) if Luffy waited 1 week before sailing out, he'd have arrived at Alabasta late, the king would have been found guilty of treason, Robin wouldn't have defected. If they set out even a few days after when they did in the manga Wapol would have destroyed Drum Island with no one to stand up to him and Chopper would be lost. If they were a day late at Baratie those pirates would have destroyed the ship, Sanji was the only great fighter left there and Gin was giving him a challenge. The point is if Luffy had to wait even one day for a different ship he wouldn't have had the nakama he has now, so if they're as useful as you act, then the person who made their joining possible should be even more so.

Also, you are talking mostly about position usefulness. I've already said a doctor or a cook or navigator is a more useful position than a sniper but as a character that drives the plot and as a crew member Usopp has been more useful than Nami and Chopper and Robin, about = to Sanji and Franky and less than Luffy and Zoro.

"they wouldn't know completely how the Sunny works, and it's not indestructible" I never said it was I said it would need a lot less repair work than Merry which is a fact from the manga, it's made of one of the most durable woods in the OP world. You have a bad habit of answering a question through your own interpretation of the question which rarely addresses the original point.

" That's exactly how you determine the value of something"
We're not talking about the value we're talking about the usefulness, usefulness is measured in outputs, what have they done, value is measured in as you said what will they do. Nami and Chopper have more value than Usopp because of the roles they play, however Usopp has done more for the crew and the progression of the story making him more useful. You can disagree with the semantics all you want, even your own list has Usopp only behind Sanji.

No, I understood your point. And you're wrong. Value, usefulness, it's the same. The fact of the matter is, you remove any one of those four, the crew die. You remove Usopp, the worst that happens is that they get sad. Point blank. I also already countered why that ¨What Usopp has done¨ argument of yours doesn't work, because when you look at what those four have done for the crew as well, it outweighs what Usopp did. If Usopp hadn't been there, Luffy would have sailed later, had a different plot with different characters. If the cook, navigator, doctor and shipwright weren't there, you'd have no story at all because Luffy would be dead. Without Usopp, different plot. Without them, no plot.

Until removing Usopp from the crew causes a consequence equal to or greater than utter death, he will never be more useful or valuable to the crew pragmatic-wise.

 

[ultraChalk]

I like the blue one most.