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How is that trolling? If I were to say Beyonce is the best vocalist, does that automatically indicate I'm performing the actions of a troll? I'm entitled to my own opinion regarding my favorites and preferences and by stating my belief that one artist excels at a craft is in no way shape or form indicative of behaving in a troll-like manner. Not after considering she's been nominated for 2 Grammys and is already harboring the title "Best Female Rapper of All Time" by her contemporaries and such.
The Grammys are irrelevant.
She's not even the Best Female Rapper of All Time.
Nicki Minaj is the biggest trend in mainstream rap, so anyone giving her props is looking for a cash grab.
It's called name-dropping.

Two words: Lauryn Hill
 

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The Grammys are irrelevant.
She's not even the Best Female Rapper of All Time.
Nicki Minaj is the biggest trend in mainstream rap, so anyone giving her props is looking for a cash grab.
It's called name-dropping.

Two words: Lauryn Hill
The Grammys is relevant, considering that songs are being judged and awarded for quality, instead of quantity/popularity

That's your opinion, not mine nor music industry professionals

So because an artist is popular in the music industry and is being complimented by others, that automatically warrants bashing positive comments in regards to that artist? I think Beyonce is extremely talented. So by that logic, I'll be considered a troll despite Beyonce's vocals/performances are arguably objective; since they can me measured, making it almost a fact.

Except professionals/fans have credible justifications as to why she is regarded with that title. Nicki Minaj's career backs that up.

Two words: Your opinion
 

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The Grammys is relevant, considering that songs are being judged and awarded for quality, instead of quantity/popularity

That's your opinion, not mine nor music industry professionals

So because an artist is popular in the music industry and is being complimented by others, that automatically warrants bashing positive comments in regards to that artist? I think Beyonce is extremely talented. So by that logic, I'll be considered a troll despite Beyonce's vocals/performances are arguably objective; since they can me measured, making it almost a fact.

Except professionals/fans have credible justifications as to why she is regarded with that title. Nicki Minaj's career backs that up.

Two words: Your opinion
Lol no.
The Grammys ARE irrelevant. It is based on sales and popularity.
All awards do is breed unecessary competition in art. As Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam said: A true artist doesn't need to be told who is good or not.

No, I said popularity does not equate to quality. lol it's like Metallica praising Justin Bieber and saying they're fans of him. It's PR bs. It's called name-dropping to get mainstream points. Again, Beyonce's "vocal performances" are subjective.

Lulz, there's nothing to justify Nicki being the greatest female rapper of all time. What is that based on? Album sales? Mainstream popularity?
If you knew hip-hop then you'd know that the community considers Lauryn Hill the best.
 
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Lol no.
The Grammys ARE irrelevant. It is based on sales and popularity.
All awards do is breed unecessary competition in art. As Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam said: A true artist doesn't need to be told who is good or not.

No, I said popularity does not equate to quality. lol it's like Metallica praising Justin Bieber and saying they're fans of him. It's PR bs. It's called name-dropping to get mainstream points. Again, Beyonce's "vocal performances" are subjective.

Lulz, there's nothing to justify Nicki being the greatest female rapper of all time. What is that based on? Album sales? Mainstream popularity?
If you knew hip-hop then you'd know that the community considers Lauryn Hill the best.
No,
The Grammys(a grammatically singular entity) IS relevant. You're claim is completely 100% erroneous. Sales does not contribute one bit to who wins a Grammy. If that were the case, Justin Bieber would've won a Grammy instead of Esperanza Spalding. Actually, Justin Bieber never won a Grammy and was only nominated in one year, despite have record sales that are off the roofs. Katy Perry, another artist who shatters sales records, never won a Grammy. A team of credible musical professionals vote on who they believe should win a Grammy for each category, basing it on the creativity of the song.


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[video]http://www.grammy.org/recording-academy/awards/grammy-awards-voting-process#ooid=NzbHF5Zjpkj_ZlswxkqXY0Iqrhxn2a_p,t2aW 54ZjoLrzxeoUSiywoN2ES0LxquNm[/video]

Fallacious assumption. Wanting to win a Grammy doesn't exclude you from being a true artist. Actually, that quote has nothing to do with the matter at hand, as there are different interpretations and opinions to artistry in general. Now you're implying Lauryn Hill is not a true artist because she won Grammys

Like I said, quality is subjective. Also, I never said I deemed Nicki Minaj as a qualitative artist solely because of her prominence in the game. Anyway, from my experience, individuals who say popularity has zilch to do with talent are just jealous haters who make false claims. So if legendary rappers such as Eminem, Jay-Z, Kanye, P.Diddy etc. were to provide an objective, credible rap-oriented analysis as to why Nicki Minaj is a great MC, does that automatically denote she's the exact antithesis? If so, then tell me, who is to judge on rap talent? Discredible individuals off a random street?

As for the Beyonce, hitting notes is objective, not subjective; or else there wouldn't be vocal teachers, let alone vocal lessons. Beyonce is a factual 3 octave vocalist, who stays on key throughout her ranges. You can't tell me saying a tone deaf singer can only hit certain notes is opinionated; nor is it even valid to say a random tone deaf singer hits more notes accurately than professional vocalists such as the aforementioned Beyonce. Hitting a target at its bulls-eye is objective, just as hitting a note with no pitch issue can be factually determined

Well, let's see: lyrical talent, artistic innovativeness, intellectually rising to the top from scratch via perseverance and high intelligence, record breaking sales coupled with a Grammy nod that indicates qualitative talent, just to name a few.
 

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Lol no.
The Grammys ARE irrelevant. It is based on sales and popularity.
All awards do is breed unecessary competition in art. As Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam said: A true artist doesn't need to be told who is good or not.

No, I said popularity does not equate to quality. lol it's like Metallica praising Justin Bieber and saying they're fans of him. It's PR bs. It's called name-dropping to get mainstream points. Again, Beyonce's "vocal performances" are subjective.

Lulz, there's nothing to justify Nicki being the greatest female rapper of all time. What is that based on? Album sales? Mainstream popularity?
If you knew hip-hop then you'd know that the community considers Lauryn Hill the best.
Speak for yourself.
 

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No,
The Grammys(a grammatically singular entity) IS relevant. You're claim is completely 100% erroneous. Sales does not contribute one bit to who wins a Grammy. If that were the case, Justin Bieber would've won a Grammy instead of Esperanza Spalding. Actually, Justin Bieber never won a Grammy and was only nominated in one year, despite have record sales that are off the roofs. Katy Perry, another artist who shatters sales records, never won a Grammy. A team of credible musical professionals vote on who they believe should win a Grammy for each category, basing it on the creativity of the song.


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[video]http://www.grammy.org/recording-academy/awards/grammy-awards-voting-process#ooid=NzbHF5Zjpkj_ZlswxkqXY0Iqrhxn2a_p,t2aW 54ZjoLrzxeoUSiywoN2ES0LxquNm[/video]

Fallacious assumption. Wanting to win a Grammy doesn't exclude you from being a true artist. Actually, that quote has nothing to do with the matter at hand, as there are different interpretations and opinions to artistry in general. Now you're implying Lauryn Hill is not a true artist because she won Grammys

Like I said, quality is subjective. Also, I never said I deemed Nicki Minaj as a qualitative artist solely because of her prominence in the game. Anyway, from my experience, individuals who say popularity has zilch to do with talent are just jealous haters who make false claims. So if legendary rappers such as Eminem, Jay-Z, Kanye, P.Diddy etc. were to provide an objective, credible rap-oriented analysis as to why Nicki Minaj is a great MC, does that automatically denote she's the exact antithesis? If so, then tell me, who is to judge on rap talent? Discredible individuals off a random street?

As for the Beyonce, hitting notes is objective, not subjective; or else there wouldn't be vocal teachers, let alone vocal lessons. Beyonce is a factual 3 octave vocalist, who stays on key throughout her ranges. You can't tell me saying a tone deaf singer can only hit certain notes is opinionated; nor is it even valid to say a random tone deaf singer hits more notes accurately than professional vocalists such as the aforementioned Beyonce. Hitting a target at its bulls-eye is objective, just as hitting a note with no pitch issue can be factually determined

Well, let's see: lyrical talent, artistic innovativeness, intellectually rising to the top from scratch via perseverance and high intelligence, record breaking sales coupled with a Grammy nod that indicates qualitative talent, just to name a few.
top lel, what you been smokin' son?
 
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I don't smoke because that stuff is malicious for the brain. That aside, my points are all objective. So if I state facts that automatically implies I smoke? Now that's what I call flawed logic.
The only objective points were Beyonce's vocal range and the awards Nicki Minaj has won.
Everything else, including the opinions of so called legend rappers (lol'd at Puffy and Kanye m8), are subjective.
 

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The only objective points were Beyonce's vocal range and the awards Nicki Minaj has won.
Everything else, including the opinions of so called legend rappers (lol'd at Puffy and Kanye m8), are subjective.

  • The way the Grammy works
  • Justin and Katy Perry never winning a Grammy
  • Eminem and Jay-Z validating Nicki's rap talent (I love how you dodged this)
  • Why Nicki Minaj is very talented
All factual points generated by me.
 

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  • The way the Grammy works
  • Justin and Katy Perry never winning a Grammy
  • Eminem and Jay-Z validating Nicki's rap talent (I love how you dodged this)
  • Why Nicki Minaj is very talented
All factual points generated by me.
1) I showed how Grammys are based on popularity and trends. ie Macklemore winning for pushing the Gay Agenda and having heavy rotational play on the charts. Or how Black Sabbath's 13 won, for being the biggest metal release, even though Colored Sands by Gorguts, Echoes of Battle by Caladan Brood and Surgical Steel by Carcass were better metal albums.
2) They will win Grammys in the future.
3) lol Eminem and Jay-Z are mainstream whores. They're praising Nicki for mainstream points. It's called name-dropping. Metallica said they like Justin Bieber. Does that mean they actually like his music? lol no.
4) I proved Nicki is not talented in terms of lyricism (songs like Stupid Hoe are not lyrical), wack rhyme schemes, how she ripped off a poor rapper in Lil Kim etc.

The TRVE hip-hop community does NOT praise Nicki Minaj.
The stupid hoe even insulted a legend in Eric B.

Many critics and fans state Lauryn Hill as the best female rapper.
 
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1) I showed how Grammys are based on popularity and trends. ie Macklemore winning for pushing the Gay Agenda and having heavy rotational play on the charts. Or how Black Sabbath's 13 won, for being the biggest metal release, even though Colored Sands by Gorguts, Echoes of Battle by Caladan Brood and Surgical Steel by Carcass were better metal albums.
2) They will win Grammys in the future.
3) lol Eminem and Jay-Z are mainstream whores. They're praising Nicki for mainstream points. It's called name-dropping. Metallica said they like Justin Bieber. Does that mean they actually like his music? lol no.
4) I proved Nicki is not talented in terms of lyricism (songs like Stupid Hoe are not lyrical), wack rhyme schemes, how she ripped off a poor rapper in Lil Kim etc.

The TRVE hip-hop community does NOT praise Nicki Minaj.
The stupid hoe even insulted a legend in Eric B.

Many critics and fans state Lauryn Hill as the best female rapper.
1. a.) Funny because Esperanza Spalding is nowhere near the latest trend, popular, nor does she even hit the charts, yet she won a Grammy over Bieber? There's a slew of other musicians who aren't popular at all and have still won Grammys over those who are popular.
b.) Those people you've mentioned won because of the quality of their music. Hypothetically speaking, let's say you like an artist because you think they're talented, but at the same time they're popular, and the Grammy judges like the overall quality of that artists' music just as you do, thus winning him a Grammy. Does that mean, due to popularity, he won the Grammy?...No.

2. Because they're music will be talented enough for that, not because of mainstream popularity. Justin wasn't even nominated last year, or the year before, which proves Grammys have nothing to do with charts/record sales.

3. No. They're praising Nicki's rap skills. Jay-Z was the one that partially discovered Nicki Minaj because he admired her craft in the rapping field and Eminem was the person who liked Nicki's rap verse for Roman's Revenge, enough so, he agreed to further the song with his own lyrical verses.

4. You mentioned none of those stuff and that's an opinion and speculation on your part. Even Lil Kim agreed Nicki Minaj was a credible female emcee to a certain extent. Want filmographical proof?

Now you're contradicting yourself. You say that people praising others has nothing to do with talent, but now you're saying because a certain hip-hop community deems Lauryn Hill as the best female rapper, that automatically means she is?

This community you speak of is clearly fabricated, as you're going by assumptions and false generalizations. Being mainstream does instantaneously equate no talent. If that were the case, everybody can easily make it big. Oh wait....Maybe that's why a myriad of individuals struggle to attain such stardom. Are you honestly going to say Kendrick Lamar has no talent?
 

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1. a.) Funny because Esperanza Spalding is nowhere near the latest trend, popular, nor does she even hit the charts, yet she won a Grammy over Bieber? There's a slew of other musicians who aren't popular at all and have still won Grammys over those who are popular.
b.) Those people you've mentioned won because of the quality of their music. Hypothetically speaking, let's say you like an artist because you think they're talented, but at the same time they're popular, and the Grammy judges like the overall quality of that artists' music just as you do, thus winning him a Grammy. Does that mean, due to popularity, he won the Grammy?...No.

2. Because they're music will be talented enough for that, not because of mainstream popularity. Justin wasn't even nominated last year, or the year before, which proves Grammys have nothing to do with charts/record sales.

3. No. They're praising Nicki's rap skills. Jay-Z was the one that partially discovered Nicki Minaj because he admired her craft in the rapping field and Eminem was the person who liked Nicki's rap verse for Roman's Revenge, enough so, he agreed to further the song with his own lyrical verses.

4. You mentioned none of those stuff and that's an opinion and speculation on your part. Even Lil Kim agreed Nicki Minaj was a credible female emcee to a certain extent. Want filmographical proof?

Now you're contradicting yourself. You say that people praising others has nothing to do with talent, but now you're saying because a certain hip-hop community deems Lauryn Hill as the best female rapper, that automatically means she is?

This community you speak of is clearly fabricated, as you're going by assumptions and false generalizations. Being mainstream does instantaneously equate no talent. If that were the case, everybody can easily make it big. Oh wait....Maybe that's why a myriad of individuals struggle to attain such stardom. Are you honestly going to say Kendrick Lamar has no talent?
a) Esperanza Spalding won an award in a non-pop genre.
b) Wrong, bands likes Gorguts would NEVER win a Grammy because they don't pander to the masses. Talented bands like Animals as Leaders would never win.

2) They're not talented. Using ghost writers, generic song topics and using auto tune is not talent. lulz as if songs about relationships & love haven't been done before.

3) She has NO skills, which rap theory proves. Em and Jigga are mainstream sell outs, so their opinion is irrelevant. Heck both of them are BITERS. When someone like Percee P, Juice, Cage, Rakim, Kool G Rap etc were to praise her; then maybe I'd take notice.

4) No, those are not opinions. rofl Lil Kim was never credible herself, so whatever she says is irrelevant.

I never said being mainstream is automatically bad. Most of the time, the mainstream is trash though.
She does NOT represent the hip-hop culture. Her music is not sincere.
Not to mention that she treated a hip-hop legend like Eric B as trash, thinking she's all that.

lol Kendric Lamar? Nothing special about him. GKMC was okay.
I can name 5 current rappers better than him: Shad, Elzhi, Sadistik, Cecil Otter and Danny Brown

If you think Nicki is all that, why isn't she doing cyphers?
Oh, because she'd get slaughtered. Put her up against Jean Grae and we'll see who is better.
 
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1. a.) Funny because Esperanza Spalding is nowhere near the latest trend, popular, nor does she even hit the charts, yet she won a Grammy over Bieber? There's a slew of other musicians who aren't popular at all and have still won Grammys over those who are popular.
b.) Those people you've mentioned won because of the quality of their music. Hypothetically speaking, let's say you like an artist because you think they're talented, but at the same time they're popular, and the Grammy judges like the overall quality of that artists' music just as you do, thus winning him a Grammy. Does that mean, due to popularity, he won the Grammy?...No.

2. Because they're music will be talented enough for that, not because of mainstream popularity. Justin wasn't even nominated last year, or the year before, which proves Grammys have nothing to do with charts/record sales.

3. No. They're praising Nicki's rap skills. Jay-Z was the one that partially discovered Nicki Minaj because he admired her craft in the rapping field and Eminem was the person who liked Nicki's rap verse for Roman's Revenge, enough so, he agreed to further the song with his own lyrical verses.

4. You mentioned none of those stuff and that's an opinion and speculation on your part. Even Lil Kim agreed Nicki Minaj was a credible female emcee to a certain extent. Want filmographical proof?

Now you're contradicting yourself. You say that people praising others has nothing to do with talent, but now you're saying because a certain hip-hop community deems Lauryn Hill as the best female rapper, that automatically means she is?

This community you speak of is clearly fabricated, as you're going by assumptions and false generalizations. Being mainstream does instantaneously equate no talent. If that were the case, everybody can easily make it big. Oh wait....Maybe that's why a myriad of individuals struggle to attain such stardom. Are you honestly going to say Kendrick Lamar has no talent?
Dude, you have a Hannah Montana sig and your status proclaims Itachi as the solo king. Troll detector is going DING DING DING.
 

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Easily better than both:
[video=youtube;ELsryzJ5Hpg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELsryzJ5Hpg[/video]

The only current female emcees I honestly give a fvck about are Dessa, Rapsody, Tiye Phoenix, Jean Grae, Neila and Eternia. I think Persia, K. Flay and Skulastic are promising.
 
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