Besides Kohona which village do you think has a dark past/reputation?

[Bakura]

I think the Hidden Mist Village takes the cake honorable mentions would have to go to Tsukigakure for hiring Akatsuki members

 

[SenseiSama]

Cloud village because they seem to have played a role in the attempted extinction of Uzumaki

 

[NextGenNinja]

I'm pretty sure all the main villages do.

 

[Exaar]

All of them

You don't get to become one of the 5 super powers without doing some really evil shit

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Well, the Mist has the nastiest history by a mile but it's reformed.

The Cloud are essentially Russia and are generally known for dark dealings and don't hide it.

The Stone are just kinda hostile and hiring Akatsuki is minor in a competitive ninja world IMO. Probably just a desperate village.

The Sand still has it's terrorist factions loyal to Gaara's dad but now is apparently sandy do-no-wrong heaven.

The Leaf's dark dealings were mostly internal. Other than participating in wars (understandable) they're largely the narrative good guys with many genuinely heroic leaders who weren't antagonistic to other villages.

Any international sabotage of any Leaf authority was Danzo's dealings. But that's no worse than say, the Rain and Hanzo. It created a lot of outlier missing nin & heroic messiahs because it's the most extreme village with the most genetic gold history. Badd'uns were bound to be louder than others.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

The mist obviously, and ohnokis, seeing as how he was open to using the akatsuki, I'd assume they had some things in the past

 

[LuckyMan]

Obviously the bloody mist village. Executing children with KKG. Making children execute one another in one big ass free for all royale. Partnering with Akatsuki (wether by force or consent it still counts). Next in line would probably be the Hidden Rain village. Everything about it is murky and dark especially when Hanzo was in charge and even more so when Nagato came to power making everyone live in a state of fear.

 

[Bakura]

Cloud village because they seem to have played a role in the attempted extinction of Uzumaki

I totally forgot about that werent they also trying to get they Byakugan also?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Worst - Best when it comes to unprovoked evil deeds in other nations

1. Mist
2. Cloud
3. Sand
4. Leaf / Rain
5. Stone

 

[villain55]

They all do lmao

 

[Pretentious]

-Mist
-Sand
-Cloud/Leaf/Rain
-Stone

The Sand had corrupt operations present for years.

 

[SenseiSama]

I totally forgot about that werent they also trying to get they Byakugan also?

Yeah, they also knew about Hagoromo myths and possessed Sage's tools, they were definitely interested in obtaining Hago-type power like Orochimaru and Danzo. They were also desperate to find a perfect Jin and Uzumaki had the sealing techs and talent for it.

Cloud village most likely saw Uzumaki as a threat, since they shared a common interest with Danzo who wanted Kurama to himself and Oro who liked to target clans with special KKG, they could've all united in wiping them out. Uzumaki are the only ones I can see possessing Sage tools.

 

[LuckyMan]

-Mist
-Sand
-Cloud/Leaf/Rain
-Stone

The Sand had corrupt operations present for years.

Corrupt is a subjective term. To Syria, America is corrupt and Russia is not while Israel thinks America is just and Russia is corrupt. Only true and meaningless evil was done in the Mist with all the executing and children mass murdering each other.

 

[Pretentious]

Corrupt is a subjective term. To Syria, America is corrupt and Russia is not while Israel thinks America is just and Russia is corrupt. Only true and meaningless evil was done in the Mist with all the executing and children mass murdering each other.

Pragmatic, but ultimately irrelevant;

-Forcing Biju upon new born in acts to test a weapon of war
-Allying with an enemy force to attack an allied nation (sound x leaf)

Your statement also contradicts itself, as evil is subjective as well. This whole thread is subjective, and perspective driven.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Pragmatic, but ultimately irrelevant;

-Forcing Biju upon new born in acts to test a weapon of war
-Allying with an enemy force to attack an allied nation (sound x leaf)

Your statement also contradicts itself, as evil is subjective as well. This whole thread is subjective, and perspective driven.

Yeah, there's honestly no excusing attacking an allied nation, no matter how badly they were being played. It's ridiculous how easily that act of war was forgiven in the NV actually, considering it was literally the entire village in on it. New management or no, the Leaf are either desperate for a sense of comradeship or are insanely naive.

Plus if we want to go into expanded Naruto material, the Sand has units of terrorists still loyal to Rasa. Rasa provided no more security to the village than Gaara did but defected literally because their new Kazekage was too kind-hearted and diplomatic. That's...literal pantomime evil. Also didn't the Sand almost go to war with the Leaf in movie 3 due to Gaara's disappearance, apart from Naruto and Gaara- the two nations probably weren't as close as they seemed.

 

[Umari Senju]

All of em really, but I'd say the Hidden Mist by far. They used to have their academy students kill each other for graduation. That's a pretty sh**ty deal right there.

 

[Pretentious]

Yeah, there's honestly no excusing attacking an allied nation, no matter how badly they were being played. It's ridiculous how easily that act of war was forgiven in the NV actually, considering it was literally the entire village in on it. New management or no, the Leaf are either desperate for a sense of comradeship or are insanely naive.

Plus if we want to go into expanded Naruto material, the Sand has units of terrorists still loyal to Rasa. Rasa provided no more security to the village than Gaara did but defected literally because their new Kazekage was too kind-hearted and diplomatic. That's...literal pantomime evil. Also didn't the Sand almost go to war with the Leaf in movie 3 due to Gaara's disappearance, apart from Naruto and Gaara- the two nations probably weren't as close as they seemed.

Correct beyond comprehension -- I'd protest to "bad writing" regarding the process of emendation for the Leaf & Sand, but then again we've no direct clue on what was established so the two powers could coexist. I'd also have to agree on desperation for allies, but that's sensible as they'd lost a Hokage, were in shambles for power, and couldn't find Tsunade.

Rasa was an inexcusable Kazekage, by far the worst village leaders to date in my opinion. I've not seen the movie, so I can't commentate.

 

[Umari Senju]

Yeah, there's honestly no excusing attacking an allied nation, no matter how badly they were being played. It's ridiculous how easily that act of war was forgiven in the NV actually, considering it was literally the entire village in on it. New management or no, the Leaf are either desperate for a sense of comradeship or are insanely naive.

Plus if we want to go into expanded Naruto material, the Sand has units of terrorists still loyal to Rasa. Rasa provided no more security to the village than Gaara did but defected literally because their new Kazekage was too kind-hearted and diplomatic. That's...literal pantomime evil. Also didn't the Sand almost go to war with the Leaf in movie 3 due to Gaara's disappearance, apart from Naruto and Gaara- the two nations probably weren't as close as they seemed.

You and Pretentious are right, but I wouldn't look too deep into such political dealings in the NV. It doesn't seem like Kishi really meant to put a whole lot of thought into such matters. The forgiving nature of these 5 super powers is basically a childhood fantasy which this manga is geared more towards anyhow (younger audience)

Had this manga been a bit darker like say, Death Note then Kishi might have addressed such things in a more realistic way.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Correct beyond comprehension -- I'd protest to "bad writing" regarding the process of emendation for the Leaf & Sand, but then again we've no direct clue on what was established so the two powers could coexist. I'd also have to agree on desperation for allies, but that's sensible as they'd lost a Hokage, were in shambles for power, and couldn't find Tsunade.

Rasa was an inexcusable Kazekage, by far the worst village leaders to date in my opinion. I've not seen the movie, so I can't commentate.

I think it also comes down to the fact that the Leaf is really traditional. It's not longshot to believe that Hashirama's 'Will of Fire' also includes his beliefs of a United 5 Nations. All of his successors kind of carried that in them, especially Tsunade, so ofc they'll be looking for unity.

Now I think about it- the Leaf/Sand stand-off in movie 3 isn't as contrived as I thought. Even J-Man had to get involved to stop a rumour from causing a political border scuffle. Thank christ that Gaara and Naruto succeeded these clowns.

Also you're complexcity, right?

You and Pretentious are right, but I wouldn't look too deep into such political dealings in the NV. It doesn't seem like Kishi really meant to put a whole lot of thought into such matters. The forgiving nature of these 5 super powers is basically a childhood fantasy which this manga is geared more towards anyhow (younger audience)

Had this manga been a bit darker like say, Death Note then Kishi might have addressed such things in a more realistic way.

Oh ofc not, Kishimoto didn't put much thought into his world outside of Team 7 but the messiah ideology of the series' finale remains a really interesting idea. Had potential, if Kishi isn't gonna delve into what he started, then we may as well.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

The mist obviously, and ohnokis, seeing as how he was open to using the akatsuki, I'd assume they had some things in the past

Plus Muu told Onoki to take advantage of the shinobi alliance for the stone's advantage. The mist is definitely the darkest. Their chunin exams are brutal lol. Makes me see Mei and Chojuro in a new light.