Illuminater
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People on the internet are willing to make memes and hate on Trump when they aren't even old enough to vote. That's probably why Trump won.
[Debate] Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump
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Caliburn
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In retrospect I think Bernie Sanders would have been a more appropriate candidate to pit against Trump.
The biggest issue with this election was that a huge miscalculation had been made. From a rational point of view Clinton should have won this easily. Trump said everything a president should never say, he has all the qualities that a president should never have, while lacking nearly all the qualities a president should have. So the most logical conclusion would be that he would have had no chance and if it had been any of the other running candidates, or any other politician for that matter, that would have almost certainly been the case. However Trump was not a politician and that's what made the difference.
The lower the education of the voters, the more they voted for Trump. The higher the education, the more they voted for Clinton. Considering that most people who work in the media received a higher education, they either voted for Clinton or in the least would have reached the conclusion that rationally speaking it should be impossible for Trump to win. They miscalculated however on the fact that Trump was not a politician. A large group of people voted for Trump just because of that, just because he wasn't a part of the establishment. They didn't care what kind of crap he said, no matter how sexist, racist, xenophobic or homophobic it might have been. Trump said he could have shot someone and still not lose any votes and now I actually believe him.
Had the democrats realized that this was a vital source of Trump's success in time, they could have anticipated on that by rallying behind a candidate who had the potential to appeal to the same demographic group. From that perspective choosing Hillary Clinton was one of the worst possible options as she was one of the primary faces of the ruling political establishment. To be honest I never believed she would have become the most successful, popular or charismatic president in American history, but she would have been decent. If you would rate the presidents, she would have been somewhere in the middle, a grey mouse whose most important accomplishment would have been being the first female president. So I understand that the democratic party rallied behind her as she was simply the most logical candidate for a political election.
In the end though this turned out to be an anti-political election and for that Bernie Sanders might have been more suitable as I do believe he would have gained the support of people who voted not so much for Trump, but against Clinton. There is a difference between having the option to chose for either someone with questionable morals and someone who is the personification of the political establishment you loath or choosing between someone with questionable morals and someone who is far less associated with that establishment. In particular moderate voters I believe would have gone for Bernie if they had to choose between him and Trump. Clinton was the personification of an establishment they were tired of, so they voted for Trump, but this applies not or way less to Bernie Sanders. Hence his popularity.
Actually the younger the voters, the more that voted for Clinton and nation wide she still gained the most votes. You can never have enough votes, but I sincerely doubt it would have made much difference if Clinton would have had gained more votes of the millennials who would have voted for Bernie, but in the end voted for Trump. In the end Clinton still won by a reasonably large margin in that demographic group.
The demographic group that has been deemed to be crucial in this election, were older Americans who rarely or never voted before, but now voted en mass for Trump as they were sick of the ruling political establishment that, in their eyes, has betrayed them for decades and Clinton personified that establishment. It's very well possible that of this demographic group a significant amount would have voted for the democrats if Bernie had been their nominee.
I thought everyone by now would have known that one of the most important lessons we learned with these elections, is that you shouldn't be giving too much weight to polls. Not once but twice this year the polls were completely mistaken in the result of an important and influential political event. Even with that last twitch of Clinton's email scandal it was still expected that she would win comfortably, so the fact that that didn't happen, makes it a rather mute point by now to bring up the investigation.
The biggest issue with this election was that a huge miscalculation had been made. From a rational point of view Clinton should have won this easily. Trump said everything a president should never say, he has all the qualities that a president should never have, while lacking nearly all the qualities a president should have. So the most logical conclusion would be that he would have had no chance and if it had been any of the other running candidates, or any other politician for that matter, that would have almost certainly been the case. However Trump was not a politician and that's what made the difference.
The lower the education of the voters, the more they voted for Trump. The higher the education, the more they voted for Clinton. Considering that most people who work in the media received a higher education, they either voted for Clinton or in the least would have reached the conclusion that rationally speaking it should be impossible for Trump to win. They miscalculated however on the fact that Trump was not a politician. A large group of people voted for Trump just because of that, just because he wasn't a part of the establishment. They didn't care what kind of crap he said, no matter how sexist, racist, xenophobic or homophobic it might have been. Trump said he could have shot someone and still not lose any votes and now I actually believe him.
Had the democrats realized that this was a vital source of Trump's success in time, they could have anticipated on that by rallying behind a candidate who had the potential to appeal to the same demographic group. From that perspective choosing Hillary Clinton was one of the worst possible options as she was one of the primary faces of the ruling political establishment. To be honest I never believed she would have become the most successful, popular or charismatic president in American history, but she would have been decent. If you would rate the presidents, she would have been somewhere in the middle, a grey mouse whose most important accomplishment would have been being the first female president. So I understand that the democratic party rallied behind her as she was simply the most logical candidate for a political election.
In the end though this turned out to be an anti-political election and for that Bernie Sanders might have been more suitable as I do believe he would have gained the support of people who voted not so much for Trump, but against Clinton. There is a difference between having the option to chose for either someone with questionable morals and someone who is the personification of the political establishment you loath or choosing between someone with questionable morals and someone who is far less associated with that establishment. In particular moderate voters I believe would have gone for Bernie if they had to choose between him and Trump. Clinton was the personification of an establishment they were tired of, so they voted for Trump, but this applies not or way less to Bernie Sanders. Hence his popularity.
Actually the younger the voters, the more that voted for Clinton and nation wide she still gained the most votes. You can never have enough votes, but I sincerely doubt it would have made much difference if Clinton would have had gained more votes of the millennials who would have voted for Bernie, but in the end voted for Trump. In the end Clinton still won by a reasonably large margin in that demographic group.
The demographic group that has been deemed to be crucial in this election, were older Americans who rarely or never voted before, but now voted en mass for Trump as they were sick of the ruling political establishment that, in their eyes, has betrayed them for decades and Clinton personified that establishment. It's very well possible that of this demographic group a significant amount would have voted for the democrats if Bernie had been their nominee.
I thought everyone by now would have known that one of the most important lessons we learned with these elections, is that you shouldn't be giving too much weight to polls. Not once but twice this year the polls were completely mistaken in the result of an important and influential political event. Even with that last twitch of Clinton's email scandal it was still expected that she would win comfortably, so the fact that that didn't happen, makes it a rather mute point by now to bring up the investigation.
DarkDarling
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Anybody but Trump, duh.