[Discussion] Bellamy or Bartolomeo
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None of them. I don't think anyone in the DR arc will be joining the SHs. Seems like Luffy is cool with everyone having their own agenda here and he's ready to clear out.
Barto serves better as a a fanboy. I think Bellamy is a bad fit but I'm also leaning to what was said above, he'll attempt to help the Donquixote family. I hope he fails ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Barto serves better as a a fanboy. I think Bellamy is a bad fit but I'm also leaning to what was said above, he'll attempt to help the Donquixote family. I hope he fails ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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He wouldn't be near the east port with the SHs and Barto if he planned to help the DD Family.
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It seems like Law tends to ask unfortunate people to join his crew. I think the former slave, Jean Bart, is proof of that. They had literally just met, and Law asked him to join his crew.
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You know I don't have anything against that you want Sugar to join, but this is going the exact same way as last time. You have absolutely nothing that even remotely backs up your statement, but you act like you do. What you just did is randomly making up baseless scenarios how Sugar would join, but you disregard the fact that you can do that for every character and several of time are far more plausible. Both Bartolomeo and Bellamy, two characters strongly influenced by the Strawhats and currently in their presence, could literally jump on their ship right now, but you think that a girl that is God knows where with no attachment to the Strawhats other than severe hostility.
1) Neither Robin nor Nami are correct examples. Zoro and Luffy met Nami by accident and they got dragged into the same mess. There wasn't any reason for either Luffy or Zoro to doubt Nami much. At best to them she was an opportunistic thief who was well versed in navigation and some other useful skills.
Robin had saved Luffy from a certain death. Then it appeared she in fact staged Igaram's death and she lied to Crocodile about the poneglyph and tried to kill him. This all made Luffy believe she wasn't a bad person and thus he hadn't any issues on her joining.
Sugar is completely different from all of this. The Dressrosa arc is pretty much finished and the only contact she truly had with the Strawhats, was a fight with Usopp which traumatized her. Usopp undid all the work she had done the past decade, the Strawhats as a whole ruined her entire life. They are also indirectly responsible for her sister's death. After her first fight against Usopp she started turning everyone with a long nose into toys, she showed not even the slightest hesitation in fighting the Strawhats and the only time she met Luffy they didn't utter any words and she tried to turn him into a toy without hesitation.
2) As said before here you are just making complete baseless scenarios up, but you can do that for every character.
3) Oda revealed in the SBS that Monet and Sugar are sisters and one or two lines about their history. Also there are several other DD pirates that didn't had their history revealed. They just happened to pop up in Law's flashback, but that was from the point of view of the DD pirates something collective. Some of the pirates didn't or barely said anything or barely even appeared. That's hardly showing someone's history.
4) It was clearly shown that the marines found Sugar while she was still unconscious and that that they had to be careful and had to use seastone handcuffs because most of them were DF users. Yes it's possible to say that she escaped because they didn't explicitly showed a panel where the put the cuffs on her, but you should be very well aware that this comment is so weak it's practically useless.
5) This is you highly subjectively interpreting a faceless expression that can mean a hundred things, but you coincidently pick out the "it must be a face of regret". Not really convincing when after that she only became worse. She shows a face of regret and then she makes Usopp swallow a grape which she assumed was poisoned. Amongst the countless of expressions that face could be, I think regret isn't the most likely one.
Sorry but you have absolutely nothing backing you up. Both Bartolomeo and Bellamy have far higher chances of joining, in fact many other characters are also far more likely. That you prefer her joining, that's your opinion, but what you are doing now is plainly making up baseless scenarios and highly subjective interpretations that you then try to make appear like solid arguments to say that Sugar has more chance. Bartolomeo and Bellamy at this point just have to ask, which they could do right now. But according to you that's far less possible than Sugar who has to escape from near certain imprisonment to join a crew that beat her own family she was with for the majority of her life and ruined all her work from the last 10 years, a crew where the only person she had contact with is the guy she is traumatized by. EVERYTHING is working against Sugar joining.
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Yeah, they used to, last time we saw him and Sanji the rapport between them was like the rapport between Sanji and a crew mate. Though admittedly Sanji might say that to anyone when a lady is involved.
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Although what you're saying makes perfect sense, and while I agree with the points you're making; I feel like you misunderstood what I was trying to do. I might have expressed myself poorly, and I if did, I apologize. I didn't try to make the possibility of Sugar joining seem likely. It is unlikely - very unlikely. However, so are Bartolomeo and Bellamy's chances, as you probably agree with. With that said, I still think Sugar's chances exceed both of theirs combined (Random numbers: Bellamy 2%, Bartolomeo 3%, Sugar 6%). You're free to disagree, of course. Also, despite agreeing with you, I feel like I need to nitpick at some of the things you said:
1) About Nami and Robin; I was pointing out that characters don't need to be close to the crew, nor have a strong connection to them, to become a Strawhat. Nami was a simple thief that wanted to partner up with Luffy. Robin had barely ever talked to the crew, aside for Luffy. While we're at it, I can also point out that several of the Strawhats joined on a whim, or, at least, for different reasons. Luffy forced Zoro to join, Nami wanted a simple partnership (for the money's sake), Robin, as stated by herself, didn't really have anywhere else to go. Sugar, or any other character, is no different. If Sugar was to join the crew, it doesn't necessarily have be because she wants to follow her dreams, or because she trusts Luffy with all her heart, but probably for some other reason.
2) As I stated myself, yes. Anything could happen, to be more specific.
3) Then that's like saying we haven't seen Brook's past. Despite not seeing him grow up to the man he was when he met Laboon, doesn't mean that we haven't seen his history. We have. The parts and bits with Laboon, and the events before his fated death, was all that was needed. The same goes for the Donquixote Family. We didn't need to see them grow old, either. Oda only had to tell their story post-Doflamingo. However, Sugar just suddenly showed up at Dressrosa with the rest of the Donquixote Family. Monet was already there. The fact that we haven't seen anything else of their pasts (Sugar and Monet's), shouldn't go unnoticed.
4) I was simply pointing out that she could have escaped. Doesn't mean it's likely - just, again, pointing out that she could. When people say, "but she's captured, blah blah blah!" I point out the possibility that she doesn't have to be. Her being captured is still not a fact, is what I'm trying to say.
5) You're right. However, with the face on the scan, how many feelings can you make out of it? Name one that can't be linked to sympathy. I'm not saying you can't; I'm saying I can't. Sorrow? Is related to sympathy. Tiredness? Also related to sympathy. But you're right, she doesn't have to regret what she did. I just think that, at that moment, she felt sorry for the dwarves. Oda said Sugar and Monet lived in a "terrible environment," did he not? For all we know, Sugar saw herself (and her sister) in the dwarves - fighting for survival and so on. It can be interpreted in many ways, but I don't think Oda would draw a face like that unless there was something behind it.
So to your last point, about Bartolomeo and Bellamy's chances being far higher. Again, I disagree. How they, at this point, could just "ask" to become Strawhats, is a poor argument. I know it's not the point you're trying to make, but who's closer to the Strawhats, both location-vise and relationship-vise, means nothing if it's badly written. As objective as I can make it, Bartolomeo and Bellamy joining would in fact be borderline bad writing. I, too, like them as characters, and I wouldn't really mind either of them joining, but they just don't have the qualities that certain other characters have. Robin had these qualities when she joined the crew. Her joining lead to, or created, at least four or five problems - which was, in the end, solved. Now, as I see it, Sugar joining would be similar to how Robin joined. It would lead to some sort of inner conflict in the crew, and her past, which could be the root of several problems, would be revealed later on, just like with Robin and her backstory. There's potential, is what I'm trying to say. As I see it, either Bartolomeo or Bellamy joining would lead to, well, not much. A "perfect" crew, I guess? Also, to Luffy, Sugar's just a girl who wanted to give him some food - or, a grape, to be more specific.
I can also point out the parallel between Sugar and Robin. Spending more than a decade on one cause, not having their pasts revealed at all, vital to the Shichibukai's plan, barely having any connection to the Strawhats, fought and easily defeated the king's right hand man at some point, etc etc. You can tell me that it's baseless, and I'd agree. But I still think it's the least baseless "new nakama" theory out there.
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